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Why trade for a near 5.0 ERA pitcher??

AggiEE said:

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Why trade for a near 5.0 ERA pitcher??

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Verlander, Morton and Cole were having rough years before we traded for them too

tjholley16 said:

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AggiEE said:

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Why trade for a near 5.0 ERA pitcher??

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Verlander, Morton and Cole were having rough years before we traded for them too

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That bad though?

AggiEE said:

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tjholley16 said:

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AggiEE said:

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Why trade for a near 5.0 ERA pitcher??

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Verlander, Morton and Cole were having rough years before we traded for them too

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That bad though?

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Cole and Morton were both over 4.00 the year before. Morton was at 4.82 and Cole was at 4.26

If Lunhow gets them ... then I trust him given his track record on pitchers

tjholley16 said:

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AggiEE said:

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tjholley16 said:

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AggiEE said:

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Why trade for a near 5.0 ERA pitcher??

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Verlander, Morton and Cole were having rough years before we traded for them too

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That bad though?

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Cole and Morton were both over 4.00 the year before. Morton was at 4.82 and Cole was at 4.26

If Lunhow gets them ... then I trust him given his track record on pitchers

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Yeah it's just a huge risk for such a late season acquisition to count on for the playoffs. Perhaps it's better than our current alternatives.

Zack Wheeler has been all over the place.

Ray has 2 years of control. His ERA is 3.91. His FIP is 4.26 (not good) but his xFIP is 3.68 (much better). His K/9 is 12.07 (really good) but his BB/9 is 4.05 (really not good). He's not predominantly a fly ball or ground ball pitcher but his HR/FB% is 20%.

He walks a lot of guys and when its in the air it tends to go a long way. Thats why his FIP is up and his xFIP is down. Stop the walks and you go a long way to fixing him.

mathguy86 said:

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Ray has 2 years of control. His ERA is 3.91. His FIP is 4.26 (not good) but his xFIP is 3.68 (much better). His K/9 is 12.07 (really good) but his BB/9 is 4.05 (really not good). He's not predominantly a fly ball or ground ball pitcher but his HR/FB% is 20%.

He walks a lot of guys and when its in the air it tends to go a long way. Thats why his FIP is up and his xFIP is down. Stop the walks and you go a long way to fixing him.

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Ray looks a lot better than Wheeler to me

Disagree. Wheeer should be cheaper and I think has much more upside.

Sounds like Brad Peacock better come back healthy and better than ever

Wheeler is a rental. ERA 4.71, FIP 3.65, xFIP 3.84. K/9 9.94, BB/9 2.46. Slightly more of a GB pitcher His HR/FB% is 13.6% so he's not giving up the HR nearly as much. Both he and Ray have WHIP in the 1.30 range.

Rental off the IL and given what the Mets did yesterday who knows what insane price they will want.

Jason Vargas is close to being dealt.

bearkatag15 said:

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Jason Vargas is close to being dealt.

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Isn't he the nutcase who tried to fight a reporter earlier this season?
Edit: Yep https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/06/new-york-mets-jason-vargas-mickey-callaway-fight-reporter

bearkatag15 said:

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Jason Vargas is close to being dealt.

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bearkatag15 said:

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Jason Vargas is close to being dealt.

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He's been traded to Philadelphia about 2 minutes ago.

That's a bold strategy, Cotton.

A few thoughts on how to quickly improve Wheeler.

Throw the curve more. It's his best pitcher statically and he only throws it 10-11% of the time.

Throw the sinker less. He's thrown it more this year than ever before and it's not a great pitch based on how it's hit.

Locate the four seamer up in the zone. It seems like Storm immediately gets his guys to throw the high heater. Based on the map he leaves it over the heat of the plate too often.

Based on velocity & movement baseball vacant compares him to 18 & 19 Gerrit Cole & 18 DeGrom. If that doesn't wow you then idk what will.

Ready for some Astros movement

Farmer1906 said:

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A few thoughts on how to quickly improve Wheeler.

Throw the curve more. It's his best pitcher statically and he only throws it 10-11% of the time.

Throw the sinker less. He's thrown it more this year than ever before and it's not a great pitch based on how it's hit.

Locate the four seamer up in the zone. It seems like Storm immediately gets his guys to throw the high heater. Based on the map he leaves it over the heat of the plate too often.

Based on velocity & movement baseball vacant compares him to 18 & 19 Gerrit Cole & 18 DeGrom. If that doesn't wow you then idk what will.

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The Astros have had several pitchers in the past ditch their sinker with great results (McHugh and Cole come to mind immediately)

Maybe Wheeler could be for us what Eovaldi was to the Red Sox last year

Is home field in WS based on record, now? No more All Star game winner?

redline248 said:

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Is home field in WS based on record, now? No more All Star game winner?

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Correct