EastCoastAgNc said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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Top 30 Prospect: Whitey or Tucker

Solid Pieces: Kemp, Martin, & Uriquidy

Sounds good?

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If that's really the cost, I don't see why the deal can't be done today.

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I would have thought much more, but that is basically what the tweet laid out.

Thank you. On mobile, didn't see the arbitration years.

Farmer1906 said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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Top 30 Prospect: Whitey or Tucker

Solid Pieces: Kemp, Martin, & Uriquidy

Sounds good?

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If that's really the cost, I don't see why the deal can't be done today.

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I would have thought much more, but that is basically what the tweet laid out.

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Tucker, Kemp, Martin, and You're Kidding...seriously, do it now!!!

Farmer1906 said:

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Top 30 Prospect: Whitey or Tucker

Solid Pieces: Kemp, Martin, & Uriquidy

Sounds good?

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Would rather give up Whitley than Martin.

n_touch said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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Top 30 Prospect: Whitey or Tucker

Solid Pieces: Kemp, Martin, & Uriquidy

Sounds good?

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Would rather give up Whitley than Martin.

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No, but Whitley is still a much better prospect than Martin even before the injury.

It might come down to Whitley vs Deivi Garcia.

Farmer1906 said:

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It might come down to Whitley vs Deivi Garcia.

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Well they are the Mets, so top of rotation for the Mets is like a 4 or 5 for the Astros. So...Urkeeding? Sneed? Valdez?

Noah's Red Flags

• Never pitched more than 184 innings in a season
• Highest ERA, WHIP, FIP, and xFIP of his career this season
• K% has gone down each of the last 4 years
• Hard Hit % is up about 8 points from last year

Farmer1906 said:

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Noah's Red Flags

• Never pitched more than 184 innings in a season
• Highest ERA, WHIP, FIP, and xFIP of his career this season
• K% has gone down each of the last 4 years
• Hard Hit % is up about 8 points from last year

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It would be interesting to compare this to Cole's last year with the Pirates or Verlander's last half season with the Tigers.

EastCoastAgNc said:

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Farmer1906 said:

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Noah's Red Flags

• Never pitched more than 184 innings in a season
• Highest ERA, WHIP, FIP, and xFIP of his career this season
• K% has gone down each of the last 4 years
• Hard Hit % is up about 8 points from last year

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It would be interesting to compare this to Cole's last year with the Pirates or Verlander's last half season with the Tigers.

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Syndergaard
4.33 ERA
3.64 FIP
4.03 xFIP

Cole
4.26 ERA
4.08 FIP
3.81 xFIP

Verlander
3.82 ERA
4.07 FIP
4.41 xFIP

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Bregman dressed like he's going to a boy band audition.

I'm not convinced we should try and get THOR if the price is either Tucker or Whitley.

If they expect that level of prospects for 2 years of THOR then I think that's a huge over-pay. Hope Lunhow sticks to his guns.

agproducer said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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Wow! Tough loss for them.

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Ehhh... we destroyed him in the first game this year... hopefully he'll be back for the payoffs if we get stuck playing against Tampa...

n_touch said:

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Did he bang some wives on here or something?

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Not that i know of, but he did keep on beating me to the puddin' at the buffet and all the pies at the Int'l house of pies... ***** is fast then...

Not so sure I'm willing to give Ur kidding, Whitley and Martin. Seems too high for me.

no more Kempin'

it seems like the Cincinnati series sealed his fate. He had 2 critical late-inning AB's in that series that would have tied the game or given the Astros the lead. And he could not deliver or come close

ChAg1799 said:

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agproducer said:

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EastCoastAgNc said:

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Wow! Tough loss for them.

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Ehhh... we destroyed him in the first game this year... hopefully he'll be back for the payoffs if we get stuck playing against Tampa...

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Bad take. Snell is a stud.

I think for Stroman or Thor you're looking at giving up something like Whitley/Tucker, JBB/Beer, Kemp/UrKidding, and a lotto ticket. With the / meaning or

Just my take based on the market.

Ag_07 said:

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I think for Stroman or Thor you're looking at giving up Whitley/Tucker, JBB/Beer, Kemp/UrKidding, and a lotto ticket.

Just my take based on the market.

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Huge overpay

Would not budge

Yeah it's a lot but man those guys are legit arms, controllable, and cheap.

And I call BS on TOR keeping and extending Stroman. They've had every chance to do that and haven't.

Ag_07 said:

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Yeah it's a lot but man those guys are legit arms, controllable, and cheap.

And I call BS on TOR keeping and extending Stroman. They've had every chance to do that and haven't.

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I know it would be nice but Stroman only has 1 extra year of control, THOR has only 2.

That haul is way too big for pieces that will be cheap and controllable for many years to come

AggiEE said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Yeah it's a lot but man those guys are legit arms, controllable, and cheap.

And I call BS on TOR keeping and extending Stroman. They've had every chance to do that and haven't.

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I know it would be nice but Stroman only has 1 extra year of control, THOR has only 2.

That haul is way too big for pieces that will be cheap and controllable for many years to come

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Thor gives you 2 more years of a legit #3 (really a #2 for most and might have to be if Cole goes elsewhere) and gives us a really good chance this year at a ring.

Tucker or Whitley might never figure it out...way too many examples of guys that just couldn't get over the hump at a big league level. We've got a '27 Yankee level lineup with Correa healthy and with 3 big arms and Miley as your 4th that gives you every possible chance for another title.

Our farm is stocked, especially to replace Tucker and with Alvarez's emergence makes him much more expendable. I wouldn't like giving up Whitley but he's not a sure thing either.

AggiEE said:

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Ag_07 said:

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Yeah it's a lot but man those guys are legit arms, controllable, and cheap.

And I call BS on TOR keeping and extending Stroman. They've had every chance to do that and haven't.

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I know it would be nice but Stroman only has 1 extra year of control, THOR has only 2.

That haul is way too big for pieces that will be cheap and controllable for many years to come

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"Only" two years of control? That's a long time for a guy on the cheap in a trade who is a top SP in the game

Thor isn't a sure thing either. He hasn't had a good season.

When Reddick is gone we need a talented hitter in our outfield for cheap, so I wouldn't trade Tucker.

Further, of that list I expect at least 1 of our pitching prospects to turn out to be reliable.

In the playoffs having 3 great starters is probably enough. Again, it would be nice to have a other arm but getting rid of 3 highly valued prospects would be way too much.

I don't think we should be including more than a single arm that is capable of being in the rotation next season. So if we need to include a top prospect then I could see Kemp, Whitley and one or two other youngsters

All valid points but you also have to think about next year.

We've hashed it out over and over in regards to paying of letting Cole walk, but for a stud who has 2 years of control it may be worth it.

If you think you can resign Cole get a quality #2 and don't break the farm. If you think you can't then spend more now for another #1. You can resign Miley and you get LMJ back next year too.