***** Official Houston Astros 2019 Season Thread *****

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Harry Dunne said:

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I guess my question is how many farm systems really produce legit rotation arms? Not just 1 or two, but multiple at a time. And how many actually produce elite level arms with staying power?

Point being, there are only so many out there who are elite - not every farm system is going to produce even 1 elite pitcher. There just are't that many JVs, Coles, Scherzer's out there. We have to take the broader perspective when evaluating the pitching the Astros farm system has developed against the rest of the league. Are we really that far off?


I agree with this. Not too many teams around the league have staffs loaded with guys that came up in their own orgs.

Looking back, of the Atlanta Braves big 3, only Glavine was drafted by the organization. Smoltz came via trade and Maddux was a FA. Conversely the bulk of their position player core during that era (Chipper, Javy Lopez, Klesko, David Justice, Andruw Jones, Rafael Furcal) were drafted or signed directly by ATL.

You do have to draft and develop well in order to have enough cheap guys under team control to afford the JVs of the world, but I consider identifying under the radar FAs that can come in and help the team right away to be maybe even better than drafting and having to wait for guys to develop, especially pitchers that typically take a bit longer to blossom.


There's another thing I wonder as well. We draft a lot of college kids with the thought they can make it to the pro's quicker. We have drafted pitchers this way in addition to the position players. I wonder what affect that has on a pitchers MLB development. Does the organization have to, simply put it, rebuild the pitcher out of college for the way the Astros want their pitchers to pitch versus if we drafted younger guys and could ingrain the theories younger with more time to work on that approach?

Probably has very little impact on college versus not, but I wish there was a way to tell.

At the end of the day, serviceable pitchers are just harder to come by, and I think every organization's fans feel the same way. I also agree with you that you look at most team's rotations/bullpens and they are not generally stocked full of guys drafted by the organization.
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How about making some roster moves that will actually help us. Guduan? Really? Haven't we seen enough of this guy?
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Conversely, what other pitchers have we called up that have been any better?

I don't disagree with you, though
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We swapped SuperJack for *******. Great.
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Correct
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Judge hitting lead off.
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Guduan? Really??
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Yoda
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That lineup sure would look better with George leading off. I truly don't understand why standard practice is to do a rehab assignment in AAA. Wish we would break with standard thinking on that one.
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Yoda said:

That lineup sure would look better with George leading off. I truly don't understand why standard practice is to do a rehab assignment in AAA. Wish we would break with standard thinking on that one.

If there's a setback after they've been reactivated, the (now) 10 day IL clock would start over. So either you play short handed for up to 9 days (not putting the player on the IL) or you're without the superior player for another 10 days, even if they really only need less than 10 days to get right.

There are also potentially callup/option/waiver considerations whenever you make a move.

But most practically, you generally want you hitters getting their timing back against a lower level pitcher, rather than risk throwing them back in front of frontline MLB pitching.
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Yoda said:

That lineup sure would look better with George leading off. I truly don't understand why standard practice is to do a rehab assignment in AAA. Wish we would break with standard thinking on that one.


So you just want the guy who's been injured and on the bench for what a month now to just come in and wing it facing MLB pitchers like James Paxton?

These guys need to assessed at game speed to ensure health (see Altuve and his latest set back) and just need to get reps to get timing back before jumping in the deep end.
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If you guys aren't listening to 790 right now, Blum is telling stories about wanting to fight Lou Pinella...it's fantastic radio.
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EastCoastAgNc said:

If you guys aren't listening to 790 right now, Blum is telling stories about wanting to fight Lou Pinella...it's fantastic radio.
Notes please!
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I was too busy laughing to take notes...I'll check later and see if they post clips from it.

Short of one story, he played a year with the Rays when Lou was there and called it "the worst year of his life". 2 months into the season, he had maybe 30 AB's and Lou mouthed off in the papers about how he was shocked that they had traded for him since his swing wasn't major-league ready in his mind. He found out about it during a rain delay while sitting in the dugout and Lou came out, said something innocent to him, one thing led to another, and Don Zimmer and another coach had to separate them. Later, Lou calls him into his office, Blum goes "alright, it's about to go down", ready to fight. Lou calls him in, says they got off on the wrong foot, wants to hug it out. He said it was a hug where one guy is bear hugging another guy with his arms at his side. Bench coach is sitting in the background just laughing at this, Blum is mad and ready to fight.
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Prosperdick said:

EastCoastAgNc said:

If you guys aren't listening to 790 right now, Blum is telling stories about wanting to fight Lou Pinella...it's fantastic radio.
Notes please!
At one point he wanted to fight Lou Pinella
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Capt. Obvious said:

Prosperdick said:

EastCoastAgNc said:

If you guys aren't listening to 790 right now, Blum is telling stories about wanting to fight Lou Pinella...it's fantastic radio.
Notes please!
At one point he wanted to fight Lou Pinella


Perfect
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Capt. Obvious said:

Prosperdick said:

EastCoastAgNc said:

If you guys aren't listening to 790 right now, Blum is telling stories about wanting to fight Lou Pinella...it's fantastic radio.
Notes please!
At one point he wanted to fight Lou Pinella
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Yordan should get an invite... but he probably won't since he was called up so recently
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bearkatag15 said:



Yordan should get an invite... but he probably won't since he was called up so recently


Yordan gonna pass Vlad by ASB

But neither are deserving
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Ag_07 said:

Yoda said:

That lineup sure would look better with George leading off. I truly don't understand why standard practice is to do a rehab assignment in AAA. Wish we would break with standard thinking on that one.


So you just want the guy who's been injured and on the bench for what a month now to just come in and wing it facing MLB pitchers like James Paxton?

These guys need to assessed at game speed to ensure health (see Altuve and his latest set back) and just need to get reps to get timing back before jumping in the deep end.

In short... yeah, I kinda do. I realize comparing across sports is not ideal, but it's not as if NBA or NFL players get their timing back after an injury by playing real games against lesser competition. Readiness to play again is determined in practice / game simulation. If LeBron were to come back from a one month knee injury, the Lakers would not ask him to first play 3 games for the South Bay Lakers of the G League.

I had not considered the very relevant 10 day injury list implications. That part justifies why they do it so much more than the concept that an all-star level talent like Springer requires a pit stop in the minors before he is ready to face major league competition.
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Let's go Astros!
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Altuve looked good running down the base path.


I wish we would have seen more than 8 pitches though.
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Tight strike zone. Peacock actually throwing some good pitches.
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What a DP!
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Altuve!
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For a second I was fearing the worst
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Altuve!!!!!
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Blue seems consistent on his zone for both teams. All you can hope for
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Round mound of strikeout strikes again
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Unacceptable to come out of that with nothing.
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what a ****ing terrible 3 at bats
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Froze him
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Lead off double for Straw. Wanted third bad.
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