***** Official Houston Astros 2019 Season Thread *****

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astros4545 said:

The Los Angeles fan that died is completely unfair to include in comparison of these incidents

I immediately disregard the opinions of those who cite it
How is that unfair? Same situation, just different place in the ballpark?
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dshedd14 said:

astros4545 said:

The Los Angeles fan that died is completely unfair to include in comparison of these incidents

I immediately disregard the opinions of those who cite it
How is that unfair? Same situation, just different place in the ballpark?

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Linda Goldbloom, a mother of three and grandmother of seven, died on Aug. 29. The coroner's report states the cause as "acute intracranial hemorrhage due to history of blunt force trauma" and states that the injury occurred when she was struck in the head with a baseball during the Aug. 25 game at Dodger Stadium.
Its the perfect example
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n_touch said:

I think it is a knee jerk reaction because a child was involved. Yes there needs to be netting, but how much is the question. What if someone that is walking on the concourse and a homerun is hit, the person trying to catch it completely misses? Will nets then be needed in the outfield?

I also believe that safety netting provides a false sense of security, in this situation did the ball just curve right past the netting? Was everyone paying attention as need or was the safety net there so it was not as big of a deal? Not blaming them at all, and safety is important, but there will always be a chance for this to happen unless you net off the field completely or do like Japan and wear helmets in those areas.

We just bought tickets to the Skeeters game and I specifically bought on the fence front row to try for foul balls and for the view. That is some of the fun of the game and netting will ruin that.
I would have no problem with age restrictions on lower field seats that are in direct line of foul balls and broken bats. Perhaps 12 and up or something.

I don't think I would ever have a 4 year old in seats that low.
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Modern America. An accident happens and we immediately overreact and made all sorts of unnecessary changes and requirements.

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Texaggie7nine said:

n_touch said:

I think it is a knee jerk reaction because a child was involved. Yes there needs to be netting, but how much is the question. What if someone that is walking on the concourse and a homerun is hit, the person trying to catch it completely misses? Will nets then be needed in the outfield?

I also believe that safety netting provides a false sense of security, in this situation did the ball just curve right past the netting? Was everyone paying attention as need or was the safety net there so it was not as big of a deal? Not blaming them at all, and safety is important, but there will always be a chance for this to happen unless you net off the field completely or do like Japan and wear helmets in those areas.

We just bought tickets to the Skeeters game and I specifically bought on the fence front row to try for foul balls and for the view. That is some of the fun of the game and netting will ruin that.
I would have no problem with age restrictions on lower field seats that are in direct line of foul balls and broken bats. Perhaps 12 and up or something.

I don't think I would ever have a 4 year old in seats that low.
I would (have?) and would have never thought about it. However, I pay attention during games.
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Frok said:

Modern America. An accident happens and we immediately overreact and made all sorts of unnecessary changes and requirements.


I agree. This happens too much, but I don't think its wrong to consider netting for a larger area. I can't imagine not having more safety precautions in my workplace if there was an area where you could get struck by something traveling that fast,
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That's the biggest problem. People not watching. All the slaps are staring at their phones and not watching each pitch. That's the risk you take sitting down there and not watching the game. And FWIW I would never sit in that part of the field with my kids. Too dangerous.
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Frok said:

Modern America. An accident happens and we immediately overreact and made all sorts of unnecessary changes and requirements.



What immediate changes were made, and which ones were unnecessary?
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Farmer1906 said:

Texaggie7nine said:

n_touch said:

I think it is a knee jerk reaction because a child was involved. Yes there needs to be netting, but how much is the question. What if someone that is walking on the concourse and a homerun is hit, the person trying to catch it completely misses? Will nets then be needed in the outfield?

I also believe that safety netting provides a false sense of security, in this situation did the ball just curve right past the netting? Was everyone paying attention as need or was the safety net there so it was not as big of a deal? Not blaming them at all, and safety is important, but there will always be a chance for this to happen unless you net off the field completely or do like Japan and wear helmets in those areas.

We just bought tickets to the Skeeters game and I specifically bought on the fence front row to try for foul balls and for the view. That is some of the fun of the game and netting will ruin that.
I would have no problem with age restrictions on lower field seats that are in direct line of foul balls and broken bats. Perhaps 12 and up or something.

I don't think I would ever have a 4 year old in seats that low.
I would (have?) and would have never thought about it. However, I pay attention during games.
If it was me and the 4 year old only with no other friends and family maybe, but no matter how much you pay attention, kids squirm and want to move around and can easily get out of reach during the game. It only would take one moment where the kid runs down the aisle playing and a ball comes your way and you can't get to the kid in time.
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Is this a topic for another thread?
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Texaggie7nine said:

Farmer1906 said:

Texaggie7nine said:

n_touch said:

I think it is a knee jerk reaction because a child was involved. Yes there needs to be netting, but how much is the question. What if someone that is walking on the concourse and a homerun is hit, the person trying to catch it completely misses? Will nets then be needed in the outfield?

I also believe that safety netting provides a false sense of security, in this situation did the ball just curve right past the netting? Was everyone paying attention as need or was the safety net there so it was not as big of a deal? Not blaming them at all, and safety is important, but there will always be a chance for this to happen unless you net off the field completely or do like Japan and wear helmets in those areas.

We just bought tickets to the Skeeters game and I specifically bought on the fence front row to try for foul balls and for the view. That is some of the fun of the game and netting will ruin that.
I would have no problem with age restrictions on lower field seats that are in direct line of foul balls and broken bats. Perhaps 12 and up or something.

I don't think I would ever have a 4 year old in seats that low.
I would (have?) and would have never thought about it. However, I pay attention during games.
If it was me and the 4 year old only with no other friends and family maybe, but no matter how much you pay attention, kids squirm and want to move around and can easily get out of reach during the game. It only would take one moment where the kid runs down the aisle playing and a ball comes your way and you can't get to the kid in time.
True, but the odds of that happened are what? 1 in 10,000,000?
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redline248 said:

Is this a topic for another thread?
You got something better to talk about? Our 1/2 Triple A line up? Correa's massage? Just how important was Fisher as a prospect?
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I am not looking to stop anyone, just wondering if it's Astros fan specific.
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Nah, its not. Sorry to be an ass. It just comes naturally to me.
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I wrote an article about the incident at MMP the other night and wanted to get some feedback from yall.
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checking around the American League...a couple of other series this weekend among likely playoff teams:

the Red Sox (29-27) are at New York (36-19). Sale on the mound tonight. BoSox better starting making a move soon.

Tampa (35-19) hosts the Twins. Rays still staying close to the top. Just a half-game behind NYY. The series started last night with a big win for Tampa and Charlie Morton.

Charlie is 6-0 with a 2.54 ERA in 12 starts covering 67 innings. He's got that thing going in Tampa like he did in Houston. His team usually wins when he starts. Rays are 8-4 in those 12 games
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The Rays have also started the Charlie Freaking Morton thing. When interviewed, Charlie said it was a Houston thing. I miss that dude.
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dshedd14 said:

astros4545 said:

The Los Angeles fan that died is completely unfair to include in comparison of these incidents

I immediately disregard the opinions of those who cite it
How is that unfair? Same situation, just different place in the ballpark?


I was under the impression this incident was a foul ball pop fly directly behind home plate

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Well you start with that thought. So the first time the kid runs off and nothing happens, you get more complicit. And the next, and the next. Several games later you find yourself not even worried about foul balls and your kid is constantly in vulnerable positions when the game is going. You then have upped the chances significantly of something bad happening, though it still is overall unlikely. Enough parents do that and you get what we have today.
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astros4545 said:

dshedd14 said:

astros4545 said:

The Los Angeles fan that died is completely unfair to include in comparison of these incidents

I immediately disregard the opinions of those who cite it
How is that unfair? Same situation, just different place in the ballpark?


I was under the impression this incident was a foul ball pop fly directly behind home plate


It was. Behind the netting. Also she was 79 years old. It doesn't take much force at all to cause a brain hemorrhage in an elderly person.
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Texaggie7nine said:

Well you start with that thought. So the first time the kid runs off and nothing happens, you get more complicit. And the next, and the next. Several games later you find yourself not even worried about foul balls and your kid is constantly in vulnerable positions when the game is going. You then have upped the chances significantly of something bad happening, though it still is overall unlikely. Enough parents do that and you get what we have today.


But have things changed so much in the last 30, 20, 10 years? Baseball is still baseball. Was it happening when we were kids? I used to leave my Ole man and wonder around the dome.

I'm not taking a stance for either way. I see both sides.
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Farmer1906 said:

Texaggie7nine said:

Well you start with that thought. So the first time the kid runs off and nothing happens, you get more complicit. And the next, and the next. Several games later you find yourself not even worried about foul balls and your kid is constantly in vulnerable positions when the game is going. You then have upped the chances significantly of something bad happening, though it still is overall unlikely. Enough parents do that and you get what we have today.


But have things changed so much in the last 30, 20, 10 years? Baseball is still baseball. Was it happening when we were kids? I used to leave my Ole man and wonder around the dome.

I'm not taking a stance for either way. I see both sides.
I saw Caminiti take out a kid down the right field line at the Dome. Little guy took it right in the face and was rushed off bleeding everywhere. There was no outcry then.

I think there is definitely more of a "you have to protect me" attitude about things nowadays. I am not saying that is good or bad, just how it is.
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I remember seeing a video from a couple weeks back of the 3rd base umpire scolding a child for running up and down the aisles at an Astros game, pretty much told Him to pay attention and sit by his parents, even gave him a ball for him doing so.

A lot of comments from people were saying that he was being a jerk and the kid was just having fun not bothering anybody. People need to realize all it takes is 1 swing of the bat when you're not paying attention.
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Child or adult paying attention or not I don't think anyone could've avoided the rocket Almora sent into the stands.

Sometimes it's a matter of the fact that you're sitting 100 ft away from a ball that's going 110 mph off the bat.
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It only would take one moment where the kid runs down the aisle playing and a ball comes your way and you can't get to the kid in time.


I must be a horrible parent. Not once in all the games, rodeos, concerts or what not have my kids ever run down an aisle unattended.
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Farmer1906 said:

Texaggie7nine said:

Well you start with that thought. So the first time the kid runs off and nothing happens, you get more complicit. And the next, and the next. Several games later you find yourself not even worried about foul balls and your kid is constantly in vulnerable positions when the game is going. You then have upped the chances significantly of something bad happening, though it still is overall unlikely. Enough parents do that and you get what we have today.


But have things changed so much in the last 30, 20, 10 years? Baseball is still baseball. Was it happening when we were kids? I used to leave my Ole man and wonder around the dome.

I'm not taking a stance for either way. I see both sides.
I would argue somewhat that baseballs are flying off bats faster these days than 30 years ago.

I used to ride in the back of my dad's pickup when I was 7+ all the time. I think, as a society we ultimately need to find the things that are not that much of an inconvenience to do to save kids from getting hurt.

Plus, selfishly I don't want more nets so I'm more willing to give up having small kids in the lower field level seats. Kid's can be just as happy being a little further up or out.

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It was,
http://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/sports/dodgers-fan-killed-foul-ball.html?module=inline

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The ball sizzled over protective netting and into her loge-level seat behind home plate. Her daughter, Jana Brody, compared it to a bullet from a gun.
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I don't think netting will be necessary in the outfield because most of the time, people have time to react


If they are not paying attention it wont matter. Even the home run balls have good speed to them that not all people can deal with or react to. Unless you have played the game it is hard to judge a ball coming at you.
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Texaggie7nine said:

Farmer1906 said:

Texaggie7nine said:

Well you start with that thought. So the first time the kid runs off and nothing happens, you get more complicit. And the next, and the next. Several games later you find yourself not even worried about foul balls and your kid is constantly in vulnerable positions when the game is going. You then have upped the chances significantly of something bad happening, though it still is overall unlikely. Enough parents do that and you get what we have today.


But have things changed so much in the last 30, 20, 10 years? Baseball is still baseball. Was it happening when we were kids? I used to leave my Ole man and wonder around the dome.

I'm not taking a stance for either way. I see both sides.
I would argue somewhat that baseballs are flying off bats faster these days than 30 years ago.

I used to ride in the back of my dad's pickup when I was 7+ all the time. I think, as a society we ultimately need to find the things that are not that much of an inconvenience to do to save kids from getting hurt.

Plus, selfishly I don't want more nets so I'm more willing to give up having small kids in the lower field level seats. Kid's can be just as happy being a little further up or out.


Maybe it is from 30 years ago, but I doubt it is from 15-20 years ago when guys were hitting 60+ dingers.
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Well I was 20, 20 years ago so.
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Farmer1906 said:

Sorry to be an ass. It just comes naturally to me.


Bump
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Couple tidbits I came across today


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The Blue Jays are expected to be sellers ahead of July's Trade Deadline, and The Athletic's Jayson Stark wrote Friday (subscription required) that the club "could be aggressive" in fielding offers for top starters Marcus Stroman and Aaron Sanchez.

With Toronto in the middle of a rebuild around young stars Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and Cavan Biggio and unlikely to make the playoffs, there's incentive to move the pair of right-handers, who are both eligible for free agency after next season.

Stroman could be among the more coveted arms on the trade market this summer due to his affordable contract -- he's earning $7.4 million this season -- and the extra year he has on his deal compared to a player like Madison Bumgarner, who's due to hit free agency this winter. The ground-ball specialist owns a 2.74 ERA with 57 strikeouts against 26 walks through 12 starts so far in 2019.

And there's this gem about Keuchel


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I'm looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. I'm just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.


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It's not even about kids. Any person regardless of age could've been hit/severely injured by that. Most people would not be paying close enough attention to dodge that quickly enough. Also, most fans don't know how to judge the flight of a baseball very well.

I guess I was surprised with all the netting that something like that can still happen. I don't really think more should be added.
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The Dodgers incident is no different than a homerun ball, except probably moving slower

Only way to prevent that freak accident is to ban fans from games

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