DVC2010 said:

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Deluxe said:

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Since we've been good to Charlie Morton in his career, I wonder if we could work out a side deal with him where we make him a QO, he declines it so we get the pick, then we sign him for less.

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A player can decline a qualifying offer and then sign with his old club, but the club does not get a compensatory pick if that happens.

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Interesting. Thanks. I suppose that might more often be the case when a player is looking for a long term deal. Probably for the best that MLB doesn't offer comp picks in that scenario haha.

The way I see Marwin is that he's our 5th best position player. 6th if we go out and get a legit DH or high en catcher. Can we afford to pay our 5/6th best 18 M a year over multiple years? I'm not so sure with Kemp's mini break out and Tucker's projections.

Harry Dunne said:

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Several of you have said that the QO is above Marwin's market value. I'm not necessarily contradicting, just passing on what I have read and heard.

Fangraphs has Marwin's market value at 4 years, $17.9M per

Marwin Calculated Market Value

That is based on "comparable" recent FAs and their contracts.

• Alex Gordon; four-years, $72 million
• Justin Upton; five-years, $106 million
• Dexter Fowler; five-years, $82.5 million
• Lorenzo Cain; five-years, $80 million

I didn't dig deep into their methodology. Age and recent production were the main factors but IDK how much Marwin's defensive versatility is being taken into account.

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If luhnow thinks Marwin will get $18 million/year, he will offer a QO. It would be stupid not to. You don't let a player walk for nothing if you're guaranteed compensation.

I agree, which is what makes me think they are working on a long-term offer.

Zobrist got 4 years, $56M in 2016 at age 35 with his best years behind him. Marwin might not have the high end that Zobrist did, but I'd bet his age 30-33 years are as productive or more than Zobrist's 35-38.

I wouldn't be surprised (or mad) to see Luhnow offer something like what Zobrist got.

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While the Marlins have previously made it clear that they hoped to discuss a long-term contract with star catcher J.T. Realmuto this offseason, it sounds like Realmuto's camp has other ideas. In an appearance on MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM today (Twitter link, with audio), agent Jeff Berry of CAA Baseball told host Scott Braun that Realmuto "has informed the Marlins' ownership, he's informed their front office he's not going to sign an extension in Miami." Berry also indicated that he thinks Realmuto "will definitely be wearing a different uniform" by Spring Training 2019.

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the squeaky toy slays

Tucker for Realmuto.


Do you take it?

agsquirrel97 said:

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the squeaky toy slays

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"No I don't sit in the high chair, because my legs is too long."

CoachRTM said:

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Tucker for Realmuto.


Do you take it?

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Could it work as a 1 for 1 trade?

CoachRTM said:

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Tucker for Realmuto.


Do you take it?

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You'd get two years of team control over Realmuto at a relatively affordable price. If it was a one-for-one swap, I think you take it. That's production from a position where you normally don't get much production. I highly doubt the Marlins will trade one of the best catchers in baseball for a single prospect, however, so it will likely depend on what else you would lose and how the pipeline looks to fill holes two and three years down the road.

Yes. provided I think two things. First I think you want some assurances that you can get more than just 2 years out of Realmuto. Second, you have to know internally that you are signing Springer to a 5-6 year deal. If you have made the decision not to resign George to a big contract, its because you already know you will be keeping Tucker as the production replacement and you are banking on him demonstrating he can produce before George hits his contract window.

CoachRTM said:

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Tucker for Realmuto.


Do you take it?

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Without question!

Best player overall at the most difficult position to fill, entering the prime of his career, under 2 more years of team control vs a guy who might be the better overall player when all is said and done but might also be a year or two away from helping a team with a limited window. It's nice to think that once JV is done and we lose a couple of key guys to free agency we can reload like the Yankees and stay competitive and be in the thick of it again by the time Tucker is in his prime, but the truth is that rarely happens...and obviously there is a chance that Tucker either doesn't pan out at all or that he just isn't as good as everyone thought he would be.

I don't think they would deal tucker for realmuto straight up. Tucker is a prospect, realmuto is a proven #1 at the hardest offensive position to excel at in the AL.

I assume the trade would probably be something like :


Tucker + medium level prospect + lottery ticket

for

Realmuto

Ag_07 said:

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I couldn't help but notice that throughout this discussion no one is referring to him as TED.

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Only took how many months?

CoachRTM said:

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Tucker for Realmuto.


Do you take it?

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If I'm the Astros? Heck yes

If I'm the Marlins? Heck no

rak1693 said:

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CoachRTM said:

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Tucker for Realmuto.


Do you take it?

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If I'm the Astros? Heck yes

If I'm the Marlins? Heck no

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Only if you don't think Tucker is going to amount to anything. If he is what everyone thinks he is, it's way more of a no-brainer for them than for us.

Realmuto is going to be 30+ and getting paid big by the time the Marlins are any good. The last thing they want to do is pay a catcher on the wrong side of 30 whose best days are behind him. It's a magnified version of Pence for us prior to the 2011 player purge. Yeah he was still good by the time we were good again, but he was also in his 30s, getting paid $18.5M per and not nearly worth it...and we flipped the pieces we got for Pence in part or in whole for Marisnick, Martes, Fiers (via Domingo Santana) and Cole (via Moran).

I don't think the Marlins are unwilling to trade Realmuto. But there's no way in hell they only let him go for one prospect, even if that is the best prospect in the Astros organization.

No surprise:

If Luhnow decides to make a run at Realmuto I think he may dip into the young arms in the system.

We seem to be stacked with good young arms while there seems to be a need for us at the OF spots.

With Reddick and possibly Springer departing in the next couple years OF talent will be key. Tucker's development could be pretty big for us.

After burying my sorrows in Halloween candy, I figure it is time to move on. Ready to see what pieces we add this offseason.

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Let's not forget (I had forgotten) that the Tigers will be paying the Astros $8MM of Verlander's salary next year. SIAP

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I thought the Tiger's only agreed to chip in the $8MM for the two years he had guaranteed, but not the option year. I hope I'm wrong.

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2020 was the option year, but it was voided as part of Verlander accepting the trade. The Tigers will pay $8 million of his salary in 2019.

pretty sure the fan that threw the can was arrested.

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I don't think the Marlins are unwilling to trade Realmuto. But there's no way in hell they only let him go for one prospect, even if that is the best prospect in the Astros organization.

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First of all, it depends on the prospect. No one GAF if we have to throw in a Max Stassi or Derek Fisher or AA reliever or rookie league lottery ticket. I think that's the expectation, and both sides will negotiate and squeeze for just a little bit more & the smart guys like Luhnow will get good values oit of the "throw-ins"...but if you think it's going to be Tucker AND another top 10 organizational prospect, I highly doubt it. Realmuto is worth less today than he was at the trade deadline, particularly to a team like us that really could have used him in the postseason. If Jeter didn't get his big haul then, I doubt he gets it now, but what do I know? We will see.

If Tucker had done well in his brief stint and been on the postseason roster I don't see why they wouldn't trade straight up for a guy who is projected to be franchise type player. The problem is he was horrific. - and so was Trout in the sample size so it's not a death knell, but let's agree that Tucker certainly didn't improve his trade value or inspire a lot of confidence and I wouldn't stoop to calling him a lottery ticket but he is certainly no sure thing and I agree that because of that they will have to throw in some other players, but I think that's an assumption in any trade. I just don't think we're going to cry too much over losing the other guys relative to what we are getting back, as in the Cole trade.