Why is he still pitching for us? Bring up YoMen pr Jurado to make his starts. This is just stupid

Let's play, would you rather:

Watch Matt Moore pitch...

Watch a Michael Moore film...

Matt Moore pitch because it's still baseball

I'd call it more like batting practice, or homerun derby...but yea, still "baseball" .

Matt Moore in a landslide. I made a trip to LA in August of '16 and watched Moore (with the Giants) take a no-no to the 9th. He gave up a hit with two outs. Sucks we don't even get 1 out of 10 starts with anything resembling that guy.

Walking the lead off in the 9th and then advancing him on a wild pitch. If there's a way to lose we'll find it.

What an absolute terrible job by this crew. You can't change the call because Hinch says so. Terrible way to blow the lead in the 9th.

So dumb. If you don't call it you shouldn't hear from the opposing coach and change the ruling.

I was at a Ranger game as a kid and they were playing the Angels. The Angels pitcher balked and brought in the winning run in the bottom of the 9th. Soscia went out to argue the call and the ump took the run away. The Angels went on to win in extras.

Meh it was the right call even if it was delayed. How about the pitcher do what you're supposed to do since 7 year old kid pitch

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Meh it was the right call even if it was delayed. How about the pitcher do what you're supposed to do since 7 year old kid pitch

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I agree it was the right call, but for every one of them to miss it live in the 9th. Piss poor.

It's not that they just missed it live, they had a pitch, check swing, AND an appeal down to first BEFORE anything was mentioned about a balk.

That would be like a guy making a layup, and the other team inbounds the ball, coach is griping, and officials stop play, and say, you're right, it was a travel, no basket.

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Meh it was the right call even if it was delayed. How about the pitcher do what you're supposed to do since 7 year old kid pitch

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You've posted on MLB... Rangers threads twice in the past 2 seasons. This one and a post in Sept 2017,

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Odor with another terrible defensive play that bites the Rangers in the ass. Rough year for him, but he's not playing with his head in the game a lot either.

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It's not that they just missed it live, they had a pitch, check swing, AND an appeal down to first BEFORE anything was mentioned about a balk.

That would be like a guy making a layup, and the other team inbounds the ball, coach is griping, and officials stop play, and say, you're right, it was a travel, no basket.

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Clear balk, but how do you miss it. I don't get how they have a talk, and decide they missed it. If one of the umps saw it, they would have called it when it happened.

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ryanhnc10 said:

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Meh it was the right call even if it was delayed. How about the pitcher do what you're supposed to do since 7 year old kid pitch

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You've posted on MLB... Rangers threads twice in the past 2 seasons. This one and a post in Sept 2017,

Bizarre...

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Odor with another terrible defensive play that bites the Rangers in the ass. Rough year for him, but he's not playing with his head in the game a lot either.

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Thanks for keeping tabs on me! I also only have a few posts on the Dallas Stars thread just to save you a bit of time

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Cool. Thanks. I may have to see if you are a legit Stars fan.

More a commentary on Astros fans. I hadn't seen you post on here, so I was curious. With the recent pot-stirring on Odor, I found it funny your only other post was about Odor, of all people.

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Why is he still pitching for us? Bring up YoMen pr Jurado to make his starts. This is just stupid

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Moore is owed $10M for 2019, $750K buyout.

IMO, YoMen still hasn't put it together. Hope he does by Spring Training.


Jurado has stumbled as of late, as well.

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DallasAg 94 said:

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ryanhnc10 said:

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Meh it was the right call even if it was delayed. How about the pitcher do what you're supposed to do since 7 year old kid pitch

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You've posted on MLB... Rangers threads twice in the past 2 seasons. This one and a post in Sept 2017,

Bizarre...

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Odor with another terrible defensive play that bites the Rangers in the ass. Rough year for him, but he's not playing with his head in the game a lot either.

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Thanks for keeping tabs on me! I also only have a few posts on the Dallas Stars thread just to save you a bit of time

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Cool. Thanks. I may have to see if you are a legit Stars fan.

More a commentary on Astros fans. I hadn't seen you post on here, so I was curious. With the recent pot-stirring on Odor, I found it funny your only other post was about Odor, of all people.

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No worries man. I used to work for the Rangers in high school and grew up in Arlington. Texags is surprisingly one of the best ways to keep up with what's happening with my hometown team. I don't post very often (every once in awhile when I can catch a game) but look at the thread a few times a week.

We lived in Arlington for 6th & 7th grade.

10 walks and 5 hit batsmen.....and you find a way to lose?

Good game for stanky odor today.


Would like to see his power numbers get going tho.

They're paying him to be a 25-30 HR guy.

Until their new stadium for sure


I'm hoping to see a lot of trades this deadline.

Fill the farm with prospects.

I'd consider myself one of the bigger Ranger fans on this forum and it still surprises me a bit how many of you guys are still getting worked up about some of these performances and losses. If it wasn't evident what route the front office was taking with this team in the off-season, it should have been very clear on Opening Day... and then after the first month... It's middle of June -- it seems silly to be getting constantly upset that a team that was likely going to be bad is... bad.

Odor is going to keep getting at-bats because we have a lot invested in him and it's a lost season.

Moore is going to get starts because he's a lottery ticket and it doesn't hurt to continue to scratch it in a lost season.

I will understand the complaints if we're sitting in the same spot this time next season... but we were competitive for the better part of a decade and that's with a couple of really bad contracts (Choo) and a disaster trade/contract (Fielder). A couple of seasons to regain footing isn't that big a deal -- and I'd rather have it happen in a season or two when the division competition is stacked.

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I'd consider myself one of the bigger Ranger fans on this forum and it still surprises me a bit how many of you guys are still getting worked up about some of these performances and losses. If it wasn't evident what route the front office was taking with this team in the off-season, it should have been very clear on Opening Day... and then after the first month... It's middle of June -- it seems silly to be getting constantly upset that a team that was likely going to be bad is... bad.

Odor is going to keep getting at-bats because we have a lot invested in him and it's a lost season.

Moore is going to get starts because he's a lottery ticket and it doesn't hurt to continue to scratch it in a lost season.

I will understand the complaints if we're sitting in the same spot this time next season... but we were competitive for the better part of a decade and that's with a couple of really bad contracts (Choo) and a disaster trade/contract (Fielder). A couple of seasons to regain footing isn't that big a deal -- and I'd rather have it happen in a season or two when the division competition is stacked.

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You make good points. I think a lot of fans might just be venting there frustrations.

It's tough because Moore has been useless so far and odor has been one of the toughest players to watch in baseball the last 2 years.

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I'd consider myself one of the bigger Ranger fans on this forum and it still surprises me a bit how many of you guys are still getting worked up about some of these performances and losses. If it wasn't evident what route the front office was taking with this team in the off-season, it should have been very clear on Opening Day... and then after the first month... It's middle of June -- it seems silly to be getting constantly upset that a team that was likely going to be bad is... bad.

Odor is going to keep getting at-bats because we have a lot invested in him and it's a lost season.

Moore is going to get starts because he's a lottery ticket and it doesn't hurt to continue to scratch it in a lost season.

I will understand the complaints if we're sitting in the same spot this time next season... but we were competitive for the better part of a decade and that's with a couple of really bad contracts (Choo) and a disaster trade/contract (Fielder). A couple of seasons to regain footing isn't that big a deal -- and I'd rather have it happen in a season or two when the division competition is stacked.

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This. We bought a handful of lotto tickets this offseason and the only one that actually hit was Bartolo. It's a tank season now and the sooner you accept it as that the easier it is to still enjoy following the team.

Enjoy following the guys we have coming up the farm system (@TepidP on Twitter is a great follow for this), enjoy the last weeks of Adrian Beltre in a Rangers uniform (until he's wearing one in Cooperstown), enjoy the weirdness that is middle-aged Bartolo Colon, enjoy Joey Gallo knocking the damn cover off the ball, enjoy IKF and Condor fighting for permanent spots on the big club roster, enjoy watching our beautiful new ballpark being built. It's baseball, enjoy it.

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It's tough because Moore has been useless so far and odor has been one of the toughest players to watch in baseball the last 2 years.

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Don't you have an Astros thread to post on?

Odor put up 30 HRs last year, and aside from a low batting average, was very productive.

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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It's tough because Moore has been useless so far and odor has been one of the toughest players to watch in baseball the last 2 years.

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Don't you have an Astros thread to post on?

Odor put up 30 HRs last year, and aside from a low batting average, was very productive.

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Here comes the odor lover

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Grapesoda2525 said:

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It's tough because Moore has been useless so far and odor has been one of the toughest players to watch in baseball the last 2 years.

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Don't you have an Astros thread to post on?

Odor put up 30 HRs last year, and aside from a low batting average, was very productive.

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Look, Odor is still very young and the HR #s show he has a lot of potential, but he was not even close to productive last year. Even with those 30 HR he posted a wRC+ of 61 and a WAR of -1.0. He was BAD. If we weren't on track to lose 100 games then the people calling for him to go find his swing in AAA would be absolutely right. At this point though, we might as well keep him in the bigs to figure it out. He's too young with too much money invested in him to just write him off when we aren't competing for a playoff spot anyways.

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Rangers about to suck for a long, long, time.

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Not so much.

It depends on how JD wants to handle the team.

We had $165M in 2017.
We are at $133M committed for 2018.
We are at $72M committed for 2019.

2019 shows Fielder still owed $9M, but I thought that was taken off with an Insurance claim negotiation.

The $72M has $15.25M for Andrus, assumes a $6M buyout of Hamels and options for Perez, Fister and Chirinos.

That has us with:
C - Chirinos
1B - Guzman
2B - Odor
3B - IKF
SS - Profar
LF - Gallo
CF - DeShields
RF - Mazara
DH - Choo
Rotation - Fister, Minor, Perez, Moore
Bullpen - Claudio, Kela, Leclerc, Bush, Barnette

So, if you believe we should be at $170M for 2019, we have almost $100M to get there.

If we don't trade Hamels, for $14M we could have him on the roster. We have enough money to sign at least one front-line SP in addition to Hamels. If Hamels gets moved (likely) we have $20M to replace him. We'll have at least one minor-league SP we can additional improvements there.

Andrus will likely be on the roster. Maybe he gets an additional $5M? I would love to see us sign Beltre to another year, if he were willing to spend time at DH and 3B.

People said Mazara needed to improve, if we were going to compete. I think he has. At 23:
2017: 148 GP, .253, 20 HR, .323 OBP
2018: 67 GP, .265, 14 HR, .335 OBP

We needed Choo to improve:
2017: 149 GP, .261, 22 HR, 12 SB, .357 OBP
2018: 65 GP, .267, 11 HR, .375 OBP

So, we have some pieces. Trading Beltre, Andrus and/or Hamels should net us at least 2 pieces that could be impactful within 2-3 years.

For 2019, we'll have to consider Jurado (AA, 9GS, 3.81) and/or YoMen (AAA- 10GS, 5.26)
Both I'm hoping can fill a spot at #5 by next year.

By 2020, we'll have several additional SPs ready.
DEWDs (A+)
Hernandez (21-RHP): 10 GS, 57.1 IP, 77 SO, 2.20 ERA, 0.94 WHIP <- About to be 22
Arredondo (21-RHP): 10 GS, 55.1 IP, 62 SO, 2.28 ERA, 0.99 WHIP <- Just turned 21

For $100M, JD could infuse through FA quickly.

I don't think the Rangers are all that far off and they could have competed this year, if JD had desired. Instead, he went with the pieces he hoped he might be able to trade if they did well, in order to get more prospects.

I think the reason it's so frustrating to me is that we have all these young players who should be developing, and we have Iapoce as the hitting coach telling them to swing for the fences on every pitch. The strikeouts are way up and personally I think any success people like Guzman, Profar, and IKF are having at the plate are in spite of him. Gallo has insane power and is going to rack up Ks, but a .202 BA is still unacceptable. When was the last time Gallo came up late in a game with RISP and didn't strikeout?

I'm worried the coaching staff is going to kill this rebuild by poisoning our young players with some awful habits at the plate.