***** Official 2017 TEX vs HOU Trash Talking Thread *****

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In reply to Aggie_Eric98 • 10:13a, 8/29/17
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This would not have been an equal swap. It would have merely shifted the burdens and the costs from the Astros to the Rangers, from Astros ticket holders to Rangers ticket holders.

This right here is why I can't get behind the Rangers. Yes, it would have shifted the burden of costs from the Astros ticket holders to Ranger ticket holders. If you would ask the Rangers ticket holders, I'm sure 95% of them would have been fine with this small gesture. Instead, the Rangers organization comes out looking like crap and are dealing with the backlash.
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In reply to SquirrellyDan • 10:18a, 8/29/17
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This would not have been an equal swap. It would have merely shifted the burdens and the costs from the Astros to the Rangers, from Astros ticket holders to Rangers ticket holders.

This right here is why I can't get behind the Rangers. Yes, it would have shifted the burden of costs from the Astros ticket holders to Ranger ticket holders. If you would ask the Rangers ticket holders, I'm sure 95% of them would have been fine with this small gesture. Instead, the Rangers organization comes out looking like crap and are dealing with the backlash.
That's your opinion
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In reply to Mr Gigem • 10:22a, 8/29/17
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If they wouldn't be OK with it, they're about as pathetic as the front office. That's also my opinion.
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10:23a, 8/29/17
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so the Houston Texans are fine playing the Cowboys in JerryWorld but the Astros prefer to travel to Tampa instead.
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10:27a, 8/29/17
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If any of y'all want to DM me, I'll gladly give you my direct line at the ballpark and we can have a conversation over the phone. That way none of us can be keyboard warriors
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In reply to Nuke LaLoosh • 10:28a, 8/29/17
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Nuke LaLoosh said:
Most selfish decision in the history of professional sports.
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In reply to Mr Gigem • 10:29a, 8/29/17
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AccidentProne said:
If any of y'all want to DM me, I'll gladly give you my direct line at the ballpark and we can have a conversation over the phone. That way none of us can be keyboard warriors
You're posting on this thread ----> ***** Official 2017 TEX vs HOU Trash Talking Thread ***** and yet you are talking about keyboard warriors and offering to give you office number. Let me know how that goes for ya.
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In reply to SquirrellyDan • 10:32a, 8/29/17
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You're talking about the perceived heartlessness and motivations of the Rangers organization and someone in the Rangers organization is offering their personal phone number to discuss it with you.
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In reply to Ag2012 • 10:35a, 8/29/17
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I can see how it played out. I'm not on here saying it's the worst thing that's ever happened, just that it's bush league. I don't feel the need to discuss over the phone with someone I don't know. I will, however, go to a trash talking thread to express how I feel about it.
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10:36a, 8/29/17
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Curious to hear whether a minor league venue was ever considered, like Dell Diamond
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In reply to astros4545 • 10:37a, 8/29/17
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Curious to hear whether a minor league venue was ever considered, like Dell Diamond
I thought of that as well.

One of my die hard baseball friends said that the clubhouse and seating arrangements aren't up to MLB code.
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In reply to SquirrellyDan • 10:38a, 8/29/17
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I can see how it played out. I'm not on here saying it's the worst thing that's ever happened, just that it's bush league. I don't feel the need to discuss over the phone with someone I don't know. I will, however, go to a trash talking thread to express how I feel about it.
Exactly. Even though swapping would negatively affect rangers financially and their end of season schedule when they are in the playoff race, they should have been unselfish and bent over backwards to make sure the astros were taken care of during this horrible event.
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In reply to astros4545 • 10:39a, 8/29/17
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Curious to hear whether a minor league venue was ever considered, like Dell Diamond
I would think that would be the easiest and best solution for all parties. Not sure why it didn't happen.

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In reply to Carlo4 • 10:40a, 8/29/17
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The Pirates and Cardinals just played a game in a Single A park in Williamsport, PA. There was a game played last year on a military base. I'm sure something could have been done.
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In reply to Ag2012 • 10:43a, 8/29/17
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I agree. Aside from swapping series, a "neutral" site like Dell Diamond would have been perfect. Fans from both teams could attend, all the proceeds could go to relief efforts.
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10:48a, 8/29/17
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Indoors and a place they can have all week for their next series doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.

In the end, I'm mostly concerned with ensuring the Rangers don't have a schedule advantage over the rest of the league. Tampa mostly achieves that short of having the games in front of a surely partisans astros crowd.
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In reply to Ag2012 • 10:51a, 8/29/17
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Ag2012 said:
The Pirates and Cardinals just played a game in a Single A park in Williamsport, PA. There was a game played last year on a military base. I'm sure something could have been done.
I agree a place like Dell would have been perfect, but the games above were planned and the buildings met compliance with MLB standards.

One day notice and MLB doesn't make exceptions sadly. Personally, this makes me love the rivalry we have more, yet hate the MLB front office.

LOL this is literally the conversation I had with him.

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In reply to Carlo4 • 10:54a, 8/29/17
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PDEMDHC said:
astros4545 said:
Curious to hear whether a minor league venue was ever considered, like Dell Diamond
I thought of that as well.

One of my die hard baseball friends said that the clubhouse and seating arrangements aren't up to MLB code.
Unless they cancel/move the games, the Express already has scheduled games this week in Round Rock.

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10:55a, 8/29/17
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Personally, I would have postponed the series. Helping fellow Texans is 1000 times more important than baseball at this moment in time.

Postpone the games to the end of the year. If the games are necessary for WC and seeding for the playoffs, play them out. Otherwise, cancel them and move on with the playoffs.

Mets/Astros at a neutral site makes sense. Save the rivalry games for when it might matter most.

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In reply to Ag2012 • 10:57a, 8/29/17
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You're talking about the perceived heartlessness and motivations of the Rangers organization and someone in the Rangers organization is offering their personal phone number to discuss it with you.


A low level employee who has been spouting off for 24 hours offering to take a call so he can keep spouting is a truly thoughtful gesture by the franchise and its decision makers indeed.

Rangers want to stick up for their fans, fine, and you want to stick up for that decision, fine. But let's not get carried away here...
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In reply to KT 90 • 10:58a, 8/29/17
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KT 90 said:
PDEMDHC said:
astros4545 said:
Curious to hear whether a minor league venue was ever considered, like Dell Diamond
I thought of that as well.

One of my die hard baseball friends said that the clubhouse and seating arrangements aren't up to MLB code.
Unless they cancel/move the games, the Express already has scheduled games this week in Round Rock.



I got to think that MLB gets priority over minors, especially when the minor league ballpark owner is involved with the pro team
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In reply to astros4545 • 11:01a, 8/29/17
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It would technically be a home game for Houston since we're giving y'all the minor league club and all the prospects
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In reply to Ag2012 • 11:03a, 8/29/17
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I think we can all find a little bit of solace knowing that we can all bag on DallasAg forever regarding that minor league comment
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In reply to Aggie_Eric98 • 11:20a, 8/29/17
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so the Houston Texans are fine playing the Cowboys in JerryWorld but the Astros prefer to travel to Tampa instead.
Do you not see the difference between a preseason game and a series that has playoff implications? The Astros did not think it was fair to the rest of the MLB teams who are competing with the Rangers in the wildcard to have the Rangers play an extra 3 games in their home ballpark. This is not that difficult to comprehend.
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11:22a, 8/29/17
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The Cowboys were also generous enough to lend their facilities to the Texans this week as well.
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In reply to rosco511 • 11:35a, 8/29/17
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rosco511 said:
Aggie_Eric98 said:
so the Houston Texans are fine playing the Cowboys in JerryWorld but the Astros prefer to travel to Tampa instead.
Do you not see the difference between a preseason game and a series that has playoff implications? The Astros did not think it was fair to the rest of the MLB teams who are competing with the Rangers in the wildcard to have the Rangers play an extra 3 games in their home ballpark. This is not that difficult to comprehend.
so you are thinking of all the other MLB teams, but forcing the rangers to go on a 12 game road trip to end the season is fine because its fairer for everyone else?

If Houston clinches the division with 10 games to play are they going to play all their starters versus the Rangers since it wont be fair to other teams if they don't?
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In reply to rosco511 • 11:36a, 8/29/17
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Aggie_Eric98 said:
so the Houston Texans are fine playing the Cowboys in JerryWorld but the Astros prefer to travel to Tampa instead.
Do you not see the difference between a preseason game and a series that has playoff implications? The Astros did not think it was fair to the rest of the MLB teams who are competing with the Rangers in the wildcard to have the Rangers play an extra 3 games in their home ballpark. This is not that difficult to comprehend.

I think we all see that they are not 100% apples to oranges, but they're in the same ball park.

I'm a Rangers fan so take it for what it's worth, I really think the Astros are being more of a baby about this than anyone. There is precedent. When the storm rolled through a few years ago and affected Balitimore, they did something very similar to what Texas is proposing.

If you are the Astros, I think it's disingenuous to say the Rangers are being selfish while saying that the Astros are doing this because it would be unfair for other MLB teams that the Rangers got 3 extra home games. Come on...really?

The fells on Baseball tonight last night apparently said that the offer by Texas was more than reasonable. Ryan didn't like that he didn't get his way and *****ed about it to the media. I think, in a way, that is using the tragedy to manipulate the situation much more than what some think are the Rangers' motivations.

The Astros would have had to do very little travel. Be closer to their homes and families. Kept all profit AND got a huge donation from the charity event during the Angels series. How is that not a good offer by the Rangers? And don't forget, many Astros fans might have been able to go to the games and get away from their troubles for a couple of hours.
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In reply to TXAggie2011 • 11:39a, 8/29/17
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TXAggie2011 said:
Ag2012 said:
You're talking about the perceived heartlessness and motivations of the Rangers organization and someone in the Rangers organization is offering their personal phone number to discuss it with you.


A low level employee who has been spouting off for 24 hours offering to take a call so he can keep spouting is a truly thoughtful gesture by the franchise and its decision makers indeed.

Rangers want to stick up for their fans, fine, and you want to stick up for that decision, fine. But let's not get carried away here...
I have aspirations of being a high level employee and that's all that matters
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11:42a, 8/29/17
People are still trying to defend this idiocy?

Yes, the rangers would have had to endure some uncomfies...

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11:50a, 8/29/17
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When the storm rolled through a few years ago and affected Balitimore, they did something very similar to what Texas is proposing.


When Irene rolled through there was a very public fight between the Orioles and Yankees and MLB got involved and nixed the Yankees' Rangers like solution of moving a game to New York from Baltimore.
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In reply to Aggie_Eric98 • 11:50a, 8/29/17
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Aggie_Eric98 said:
rosco511 said:
Aggie_Eric98 said:
so the Houston Texans are fine playing the Cowboys in JerryWorld but the Astros prefer to travel to Tampa instead.
Do you not see the difference between a preseason game and a series that has playoff implications? The Astros did not think it was fair to the rest of the MLB teams who are competing with the Rangers in the wildcard to have the Rangers play an extra 3 games in their home ballpark. This is not that difficult to comprehend.
so you are thinking of all the other MLB teams, but forcing the rangers to go on a 12 game road trip to end the season is fine because its fairer for everyone else?

If Houston clinches the division with 10 games to play are they going to play all their starters versus the Rangers since it wont be fair to other teams if they don't?
The Rangers have every right to say no to the proposal, which they did, but the Astros did not think it was fair to everyone else to give the Rangers an extra three games at home. It is just not that difficult to comprehend, but it is amusing that the Rangers (and a lot of people on here) are acting like the Rangers were doing some sort of goodwill gesture for making an offer that would give them an extra three games at home.
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12:02p, 8/29/17
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The Rangers having a 12 game road trip is quite a bit less impactful on the integrity of the playoff race then the Rangers getting to host 3 extra games at home, imo.
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In reply to rosco511 • 12:03p, 8/29/17
rosco511 said:
Aggie_Eric98 said:
rosco511 said:
Aggie_Eric98 said:
so the Houston Texans are fine playing the Cowboys in JerryWorld but the Astros prefer to travel to Tampa instead.
Do you not see the difference between a preseason game and a series that has playoff implications? The Astros did not think it was fair to the rest of the MLB teams who are competing with the Rangers in the wildcard to have the Rangers play an extra 3 games in their home ballpark. This is not that difficult to comprehend.
so you are thinking of all the other MLB teams, but forcing the rangers to go on a 12 game road trip to end the season is fine because its fairer for everyone else?

If Houston clinches the division with 10 games to play are they going to play all their starters versus the Rangers since it wont be fair to other teams if they don't?
The Rangers have every right to say no to the proposal, which they did, but the Astros did not think it was fair to everyone else to give the Rangers an extra three games at home. It is just not that difficult to comprehend, but it is amusing that the Rangers (and a lot of people on here) are acting like the Rangers were doing some sort of goodwill gesture for making an offer that would give them an extra three games at home.

You can call it amusing all you want, but I think the Rangers made a more than reasonable offer.
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12:05p, 8/29/17
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At the end of the day, both teams were doing what they thought was best for their organization and fans. Both points are valid. I'm far from anything resembling a Jon Daniels fan, but he and the organization are being unfairly demonized in this and that rests at Reid Ryan's feet. I don't really grasp why Reid Ryan's depiction of things has been pushed forward as somehow unassailable but Jon Daniels statements are brushed aside as excuses. I don't buy for a minute that the suggestion of playing in Arlington had a damned thing to do with gaining a competitive advantage or greed. The man isn't a monster or some unfeeling b***ard. In all likelihood he knows people in Houston who's homes have flooded. I know folks want to make this into an easy decision, but it isn't and that's just how it is.

I hope everyone is doing ok at this point. We have been extremely fortunate at our home in League City. Watched the waters rise Saturday/Sunday night but didn't get any water in the house. I have family, friends, coworkers, you name it who have lost everything they ever had. One husband/wife set of coworkers evacuated to a friends house and had to be evacuated a second time from there. I've watched fellow posters on this site post real time about water creeping to their house, coming into their house, and having to make the decision to leave their house. This whole thing sucks. I can't wait for it to be over. Thank God the end appears to be in sight. Stay safe and stay dry guys.
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In reply to TXAggie2011 • 12:08p, 8/29/17
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When the storm rolled through a few years ago and affected Balitimore, they did something very similar to what Texas is proposing.


When Irene rolled through there was a very public fight between the Orioles and Yankees and MLB got involved and nixed the Yankees' Rangers like solution of moving a game to New York from Baltimore.

The scenario is probably not a good comparison because of diff circumstances, but the Yankees did make other offers that Balt rejected.
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