***** Official Houston Astros 2017 Season Thread *****

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In reply to Farmer1906 • 1:26p, 6/27/17
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Do these numbers take into account Keuchel and Morton's numbers? If so those aren't entirely accurate.

And I'd love to see where we rank as far IP for a rotation. I would think that's down near the bottom of the barrel.
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 1:32p, 6/27/17
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irish pete ag06 said:
coastalAg said:
Maybe you can make it work with Paulino in there. I would certainly love that trade.

Seems like the market is going to be more expensive than that though. I would personally be willing to give up Martes as the headliner, but I may value Gray differently than you do.

If we cant get a guy that can be slid in the middle of the playoff rotation then I dont really see the point of trading for a starter. We have enough arms to get us to the playoffs as the 1 seed in the AL.

I only brought up Hill/Reddick as a counter to the notion that Beane is a quantity over quality guy. It has been the case sometimes, but not always.

I kind of wonder just how expensive the market will be. There is no true prize out there. There are a lot of guys like Gray.

Sonny Gray, under achieving
Jacob DeGrom, probably the best one on the market actually
Gerrit Cole, is he really an ace? No.
Jose Quintana, bad under achieving
Jeff Samardzija, bad contract
Justin Verlander, old and contract, but we get to see Kate Upton rocking a rainbow jersey, so pull the trigger on this trade.
Trevor Cahill, injured and no track record
Clayton Richard, no track record
Jason Vargas, not a great track record
Jaime Garcia, back end guy
FIFY
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1:35p, 6/27/17
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We are 5th in the AL in IP by starters

The Red Sox starter numbers are heavily skewed by Chris Sale. They dont have much trust in Price, Porcello, or Pomeranz right now.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 1:38p, 6/27/17
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Ag_07 said:
Do these numbers take into account Keuchel and Morton's numbers? If so those aren't entirely accurate.

And I'd love to see where we rank as far IP for a rotation. I would think that's down near the bottom of the barrel.
I assume it takes into account every starting pitcher's stats when they start.

So, yes, Keuchel & Morton would be taken into account.
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1:53p, 6/27/17
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How about this?

This is since June 3. Keuchel's last start was June 2, so this would not include him or Morton.

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In reply to CFTXAG10 • 1:59p, 6/27/17
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CFTXAG10 said:
Have we discussed this: Go to 2:48 mark if you want to hear the discussion/reasoning

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In reply to gambochaman • 2:17p, 6/27/17
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CFTXAG10 said:
Have we discussed this: Go to 2:48 mark if you want to hear the discussion/reasoning



To me that graphic tells me that the person that put it together has never paid any attention to Jeff Lunhow and the Astros, they should be embarrassed.
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2:18p, 6/27/17
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Comparing Fiers numbers to Gray's doesn't make much sense unless you start comparing from the point that Fiers basically replaced his slider with a cutter that's made him so good of late.

After Irish posted an article on Gray which states that he doesn't even really know what type of pitches he's making and going purely off feel, I lost a bit of interest in trading for him.
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In reply to tremble • 2:25p, 6/27/17
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tremble said:
Comparing Fiers numbers to Gray's doesn't make much sense unless you start comparing from the point that Fiers basically replaced his slider with a cutter that's made him so good of late.

After Irish posted an article on Gray which states that he doesn't even really know what type of pitches he's making and going purely off feel, I lost a bit of interest in trading for him.
The fact that he has 4 breaking balls, 2 fastballs, and a change up makes you lose interest?
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In reply to tremble • 2:27p, 6/27/17
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tremble said:

After Irish posted an article on Gray which states that he doesn't even really know what type of pitches he's making and going purely off feel, I lost a bit of interest in trading for him.

That doesn't bother me so much.

That just tells me that him working with Strom and McCann will mostly likely help him a ton.

Remember that in 98 Randy Johnson's numbers weren't all that good in SEA. He came here and absolutely dominated. Sometimes it just takes a change of scenery and a reason to perform.

A good pitching coach, solid battery mate, and the league's best offense could wonders for an under performing pitcher.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 2:32p, 6/27/17
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And you add in a pretty solid defensive group all around behind you.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 2:33p, 6/27/17
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Man that's the truth. OAK is woefully bad on defense
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2:35p, 6/27/17
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all right, time to munch on the A's 3 more times this week
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In reply to W • 2:45p, 6/27/17
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W said:
all right, time to munch on the A's 3 more times this week

Well we are at home so we very could be swept.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 2:48p, 6/27/17
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And this could be entirely true, I'm just not willing to trade 2/4 of Martes, Paulino, Tucker, and Bregman which IMO is going to be the minimum required to swing a Gray trade.
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In reply to tremble • 2:56p, 6/27/17
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tremble said:
And this could be entirely true, I'm just not willing to trade 2/4 of Martes, Paulino, Tucker, and Bregman which IMO is going to be the minimum required to swing a Gray trade.

If we could get him for Paulino and Fisher (which i suspect they might entertain) i would consider it..

Edit: I'm not that high on Gray though so if it's gonna be more expensive it'd be a hard pass from me..
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2:58p, 6/27/17
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I was kind of bummed when Fish went back down to AAA, but Reddick has been playing some nice ball since coming back from the concussion both offensively and defensively.

5 Games
18 AB's
9 Hits
8 Runs
4 RBI's
2 Home Runs
Average up to .298
OPS up to .850
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3:14p, 6/27/17
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Ok... so I wanted to dig in to a big board looking at what players will be where over the next few years. I'm in on dealing some outfielders. Big time.



We will have an outfield of Reddick, Springer, and Marisnik through 2020... and that's with Kyle Tucker very likely showing up in 2018 or at least for sure in 2019.

That joker is set for a while.
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In reply to irish pete ag06 • 3:18p, 6/27/17
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And let's not forget Marwin. He's played 19 of his 59 games this year in the OF. I doubt we want to let him go after 2018.
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3:19p, 6/27/17
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What does $0 [FA-*] mean?
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3:20p, 6/27/17
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Altuve is a free agent next year?
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3:20p, 6/27/17
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That's why I think Fisher will be included in a deal.

It sucks because he's a good player but he's ready to play now and we just don't have a spot for him. I'd rather trade him then platoon him with Marisnick.

Something like...Fisher/Paulino/Davis/Perez for Gray/Doolittle

The more I look at Doolittle the more I want him.
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In reply to gougler08 • 3:21p, 6/27/17
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McCann in 2019 is a mutual option.

I am not sure why Altuve is listed like he is. He is under contract those years.
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In reply to astros4545 • 3:23p, 6/27/17
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astros4545 said:
Altuve is a free agent next year?
No, he is under a cheap contract. He becomes a FA in 2020.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 3:24p, 6/27/17
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Ag_07 said:
That's why I think Fisher will be included in a deal.

It sucks because he's a good player but he's ready to play now and we just don't have a spot for him. I'd rather trade him then platoon him with Marisnick.

Something like...Fisher/Paulino/Davis/Perez for Gray/Doolittle

The more I look at Doolittle the more I want him.
Make that happen. It seems fair enough.
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3:24p, 6/27/17
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We have team options in 18 and 19 for Altuve
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3:26p, 6/27/17
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Interesting question I think: Would you rather trade Fisher in a deal, or Marisnick today? That's assuming Fisher would be called up and play nearly everyday. Let's also assume the player chosen doesn't affect who else is in a deal.
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In reply to CSWendt • 3:30p, 6/27/17
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Easy...Fisher in a deal.

He's still an unknown. You know exactly what you've got in Jake
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3:31p, 6/27/17
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Fisher. Marisnick is adding real value to this team today. He is also a big part of the clubhouse and our best defensive player.

I think Fisher ends up as a nice everyday regular, but he cant help this team like Marisnick can.
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3:33p, 6/27/17
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After this year is when Jose would have become an FA, if he hadnt signed long term in 2013.
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 3:34p, 6/27/17
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aggie1906 said:
astros4545 said:
Altuve is a free agent next year?
No, he is under a cheap contract. He becomes a FA in 2020.
Spotrac saves Altuve's market value is 21.4M. He's making 17M this year plus '18 & '19. Easily one of the most underpaid guys in baseball who are off their rookie deal.
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3:42p, 6/27/17
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McHugh is pitching in Corpus on Friday
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3:50p, 6/27/17
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Fisher is at worst a platoon starter next year with Marisnick. He has very consistent numbers at every level. He doesn't strike out too much, he walks plenty, has developing power, good speed, and good contact skills.

Hell no to giving him up for a guy who is injury prone and not a guarantee to be as good as our #3 starter. No way.

Paulino, Hernandez, Reed, Kemp, and some low level arm is what they would get from me. They don't take it, I don't deal. Sorry. I don't make moves involving potential impact players when the upgrade isn't gauranteed. And no upgrade on the market is guaranteed. Whether injuries, control, up and down years, etc.. they all have issues.
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4:04p, 6/27/17
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4:07p, 6/27/17
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Are they throwing a LHP since we are starting Marwin over Reddick/Aoki?
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