Is sales tax collected on concessions and merchandise sold at the Rangers games?
quote:I think the threat of moving the team has been overrated. SOmething like 70% of ticket sales come from the 817 area code. A move to Dallas would certainly gain some fans but im not convinced it would make up for all of the fans they would lose. There's also the issue of how to pay for it since right now Arlington is one of the few cities in the area that is under their sales tax cap.That added to the fact of where to put a stadium in Dallas. Near downtown? Thats a traffic nightmare worse than what they have now. Fair park? Good luck getting anything done in that area or tearing down stuff to build. Fort Worth might have a shot but you would pretty much ensure Dallas area fans would stop coming to the game. Could the team go elsewhere? Sure. But I dont thing its as big as people have made it out to be.
Also, Arlington is paying for part of the stadium, because eventually someone else will cut the check. I take it that is not a game the city's leadership was willing to pay.
quote:If 70% of STH come from the 817 area code and peopel in the 817 area code are voting and approve they are serving themselves. Additionally, any area code that voted on this would be the area code (presumably) of greatest STH. If the BPiA became the BPiFrisco, you'd see their AC as the dominate STH, likewise with 214 and Dallas.quote:I think the threat of moving the team has been overrated. SOmething like 70% of ticket sales come from the 817 area code. A move to Dallas would certainly gain some fans but im not convinced it would make up for all of the fans they would lose. There's also the issue of how to pay for it since right now Arlington is one of the few cities in the area that is under their sales tax cap.That added to the fact of where to put a stadium in Dallas. Near downtown? Thats a traffic nightmare worse than what they have now. Fair park? Good luck getting anything done in that area or tearing down stuff to build. Fort Worth might have a shot but you would pretty much ensure Dallas area fans would stop coming to the game. Could the team go elsewhere? Sure. But I dont thing its as big as people have made it out to be.
Also, Arlington is paying for part of the stadium, because eventually someone else will cut the check. I take it that is not a game the city's leadership was willing to pay.
quote:Keep in mind by partnering with the City of Arlington, the stadium can be considered exempt not only from City of Arlington Taxes, but JPS, Tarrant County and ISD Taxes.
Also, Arlington is paying for part of the stadium, because eventually someone else will cut the check. I take it that is not a game the city's leadership was willing to pay.
quote:I think someone calculated DART could provide chauffeur service for every rider they currently support and still save money.
And just for fun, let's look at some of the things that $500 million could be used for.
Public transportation- Up until 2013 Arlington had the unique distinction of being the largest city in America with no public transportation. That crown was technically lost when they bought two buses and started a bus route. But lets not kid ourselves. It has a grand total of 3 stops and runs between UTA, Cowboys Stadium, and the Centreport TRE Station.
It's a joke calling this route public transportation. $500 million could go a long way into starting a bus system or even trying to work in a light rail stop somewhere near the stadiums.
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FY 2016 Operating Budget: $494.9 million
FY 2016 Capital Budget: $278.3 million
FY 2016 Debt Service Budget: $197.8 million
FY 2016 Total Budget: $971.1 million
FY 2015 Systemwide Ridership (all modes): 92.5 million passenger trips
quote:Wishful thinking that they would go that far north. It just doesnt make sense from a numbers point of of view. The potential customer base is smaller for starters. I think its great that the RoughRiders bring in 4500 per game. But to move the Rangers there you are asking that area to average more than 33K per game more games at a higher cost per ticket and more expensive concessions. Then theres the issue of effectively killing the RoughRiders attendance figures. Why go to a RoughRiders game when you have an MLB park down the road? But hey since the Rangers own the RoughRiders who cares?
If you don't think RBiA could have landed in Collin County, I think you are mistaken. I think the Frisco RoughRiders are bringing in 4,500 per game for a AA team. FC Dallas averages 16,000.
quote:Public Transportation is a public service just like education, street lights, libraries, firefighters, etc. It doesnt always turn a profit nor should it. A reliable bus system in arlington would be great for the citizens of arlington.
Public transportation is a bigger waste of money than a Stadium. Good for Arlington for not getting sucked into such a waste. See... they ARE smart.
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Just know that some indoor fields are superior to others.
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Wishful thinking that they would go that far north. It just doesnt make sense from a numbers point of of view. The potential customer base is smaller for starters. I think its great that the RoughRiders bring in 4500 per game. But to move the Rangers there you are asking that area to average more than 33K per game more games at a higher cost per ticket and more expensive concessions. Then theres the issue of effectively killing the RoughRiders attendance figures. Why go to a RoughRiders game when you have an MLB park down the road? But hey since the Rangers own the RoughRiders who cares?
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Public Transportation is a public service just like education, street lights, libraries, firefighters, etc. It doesnt always turn a profit nor should it. A reliable bus system in arlington would be great for the citizens of arlington.
quote:To be more thorough, they recoup some of that on ridership and advertising. Ridership has almost doubled in the past decade, as public transportation is a long term investment in that regard---particularly when attempting to tear down the cultural barriers to it that exist in DFW. That includes both the populace's attitudes and our building habits.
Mindboggling
They have 92.5 million passengers trips for an Operating Budget of $971.1M comes to about $10.50.
quote:The smartest thing Arlington did in this arena, if we're calling Arlington smart, is let them build the TRE just on the other side of their city limits so that there is public transportation between Arlington, Dallas, and Fort Worth without Arlington having to do anything on their own.quote:That's why it is called public transportation. But why should the government be providing a service that competes with private industry?! Why would Arlington need any more transportation within the city than it has? If transportation from Arlington to Dallas or FW were such a great thing, it would exist.
Public Transportation is a public service just like education, street lights, libraries, firefighters, etc. It doesnt always turn a profit nor should it. A reliable bus system in arlington would be great for the citizens of arlington.
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I don't like indoor baseball or taxpayer funded stadiums (especially when the current stadium is in good shape), but I see where the desire for both come from. I can't complain about a shiny new stadium, but it'll definitely take some getting used to.
All I ask is PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE go back to an analog out of town scoreboard. That digital OOT board bugs the everliving s*** out of me. Keep the classic ballpark look and I'll be happy.
quote:That 49 acres is not currently owned by the Rangers, correct?
Also, DMN reported that aside from the $500 million cap, Arlington agreed to purchase a 49 acre tract of land and lease it back to the rangers. This would mean no money would really change hands but that the Rangers would avoid paying taxes on the property.
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Arlington mayor Jeff Williams was interviewed by KRLD on Friday. When asked about public transportation he mentioned exploring exciting options with DART, Uber, and Lyft.
What the ****? Uber and Lyft?
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"So who derives the benefits from building this new stadium? And it comes as no surprise to anyone: the primary beneficiaries are owners and players It means an increased value for the franchise. It means more money for the owners and players."
quote:feel bad for the citizens of arlington. they're getting screwed
Surprise, surprise, surprise. The deal is worse than initially reported.
http://www.wfaa.com/mb/news/local/investigates/experts-new-arlington-stadium-deal-among-the-worst-in-the-country/251473853
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Eckstein said the only time he recalls a similar deal was Arlington's agreement with Dallas Cowboy's owner Jerry Jones to build AT&T Stadium.
quote:We've not voted yes for it quite yet.quote:feel bad for the citizens of arlington. they're getting screwed
Surprise, surprise, surprise. The deal is worse than initially reported.
http://www.wfaa.com/mb/news/local/investigates/experts-new-arlington-stadium-deal-among-the-worst-in-the-country/251473853