***** 2025-2026 San Antonio Spurs Thread *****

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LawHall88 said:

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I don't think udoka ever considered green as part of their long-term plans, and I think that his contract extension was set up specifically to trade him for a bigger piece like Durant. I no, I saw him as a player that's probably going to peek out as a sixth man for a good team, not as a key player. He's too inconsistent

Read Shepard did have tons of great advanced stats but the question was always if he would have the lateral quickness to defend or if he would just get beat constantly for being smaller and weaker and he's getting beat constantly because he's smaller and weaker.

I wanted him on the Spurs if we didn't get Castle.

Early in the draft process there was thought that Zaccy Racecar would drop to four and we could get Castle at 8. Racecar played just 9 minutes last night in an overtime win against Detroit. I think we're in the certified bus territory now.


I would be curious to know who the Spurs would have picked. I really doubt Sheppard was on the board for them but I coukd be wrong.

The Express-News Spurs reporters have a weekly podcast and at one point they said the Spurs would have taken Sheppard if Castle wasn't available.


They didn't quite outright say that the Spurs would have taken Sheppard over Castle, but it was more of a coy posing of the question of where the Spurs ranked them and that the Spurs did value Sheppard's shooting. However they had players ranked, we nailed every part of the draft. Got Castle, got the pick and swap for Dilly and flipped the pick as 1/3rd of the package for Fox.
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LawHall88 said:

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Also, hard to remember now but draft gurus loved Reed and thought it was a great pick for the Rockets.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2024/draft-grades

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5596270/2024/06/28/nba-draft-grades-every-team-2024/

Both outlets gave the Rockets A's for picking him. Obviously in a redraft scenario they'd take Castle instead.

O'Connor is such a tool.


I used to like KOC. But dude is high on his own supply ever since he went out on his own. He's the one that's been really beating the "Spurs should have taken Kon over Harper" drum the last few months. Never mind that he was also one of the supposed experts that took the under on all the preseason win projections for the Spurs and didn't think they were in any position to take a "win now" type of player. And despite that stance, He's been fairly anti "Harper being a good fit for the spurs" since day 1. Guy is a ******.
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HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

LawHall88 said:

AggieEP said:

Also, hard to remember now but draft gurus loved Reed and thought it was a great pick for the Rockets.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2024/draft-grades

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5596270/2024/06/28/nba-draft-grades-every-team-2024/

Both outlets gave the Rockets A's for picking him. Obviously in a redraft scenario they'd take Castle instead.

O'Connor is such a tool.


I used to like KOC. But dude is high on his own supply ever since he went out on his own. He's the one that's been really beating the "Spurs should have taken Kon over Harper" drum the last few months. Never mind that he was also one of the supposed experts that took the under on all the preseason win projections for the Spurs and didn't think they were in any position to take a "win now" type of player. And despite that stance, He's been fairly anti "Harper being a good fit for the spurs" since day 1. Guy is a ******.


Not out on his own, he went from another guy at The Ringer to THE MAN at Yahoo.

But his takes have gotten progressively worse, and that says a lot from someone that had Killian Hayes as the best draft prospect in the 2020 Draft: https://www.theringer.com/2020/04/15/nba-draft/nba-draft-killian-hayes-2020-top-prospect

Mind you, that was the draft with Anthony Edwards.

100% of his Spurs stuff this year has been: Spurs have to trade everything for Durant.... err Giannis.... err Trey Murphy... err.... did I mention how the Spurs blew it by not taking Kon at #2? There should be a redraft where the Spurs take Kon!

I previously thought that he was just trying to ragebait for engagement to make his numbers for Yahoo, but I really don't think that is it at all anymore.
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HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

LawHall88 said:

AggieEP said:

Also, hard to remember now but draft gurus loved Reed and thought it was a great pick for the Rockets.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2024/draft-grades

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5596270/2024/06/28/nba-draft-grades-every-team-2024/

Both outlets gave the Rockets A's for picking him. Obviously in a redraft scenario they'd take Castle instead.

O'Connor is such a tool.


I used to like KOC. But dude is high on his own supply ever since he went out on his own. He's the one that's been really beating the "Spurs should have taken Kon over Harper" drum the last few months. Never mind that he was also one of the supposed experts that took the under on all the preseason win projections for the Spurs and didn't think they were in any position to take a "win now" type of player. And despite that stance, He's been fairly anti "Harper being a good fit for the spurs" since day 1. Guy is a ******.



Im pretty sure he did a pod recently where he admitted that he was wrong. Those three gaurds are a secret sauce, not a fit problem.
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Ag Natural said:

HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

LawHall88 said:

AggieEP said:

Also, hard to remember now but draft gurus loved Reed and thought it was a great pick for the Rockets.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2024/draft-grades

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5596270/2024/06/28/nba-draft-grades-every-team-2024/

Both outlets gave the Rockets A's for picking him. Obviously in a redraft scenario they'd take Castle instead.

O'Connor is such a tool.


I used to like KOC. But dude is high on his own supply ever since he went out on his own. He's the one that's been really beating the "Spurs should have taken Kon over Harper" drum the last few months. Never mind that he was also one of the supposed experts that took the under on all the preseason win projections for the Spurs and didn't think they were in any position to take a "win now" type of player. And despite that stance, He's been fairly anti "Harper being a good fit for the spurs" since day 1. Guy is a ******.



Im pretty sure he did a pod recently where he admitted that he was wrong. Those three gaurds are a secret sauce, not a fit problem.

He's still saying Kon over Dylan. Talked about it a few days ago. He didn't walk back the trade Dylan in this segment at least and his guest said he thinks that Harper is going to have over 6 AS games.



I think KOC has just become a rage baiter.
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Guitarsoup said:

Ag Natural said:

HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

LawHall88 said:

AggieEP said:

Also, hard to remember now but draft gurus loved Reed and thought it was a great pick for the Rockets.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2024/draft-grades

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5596270/2024/06/28/nba-draft-grades-every-team-2024/

Both outlets gave the Rockets A's for picking him. Obviously in a redraft scenario they'd take Castle instead.

O'Connor is such a tool.


I used to like KOC. But dude is high on his own supply ever since he went out on his own. He's the one that's been really beating the "Spurs should have taken Kon over Harper" drum the last few months. Never mind that he was also one of the supposed experts that took the under on all the preseason win projections for the Spurs and didn't think they were in any position to take a "win now" type of player. And despite that stance, He's been fairly anti "Harper being a good fit for the spurs" since day 1. Guy is a ******.



Im pretty sure he did a pod recently where he admitted that he was wrong. Those three gaurds are a secret sauce, not a fit problem.

He's still saying Kon over Dylan. Talked about it a few days ago. He didn't walk back the trade Dylan in this segment at least and his guest said he thinks that Harper is going to have over 6 AS games.



I think KOC has just become a rage baiter.


Rage bate? I think its pretty fair opinion to think Kin would have been a phenomenal picks for the Spurs. Especially in the short term.

But most believe Harper will be the better player long run. So really there is no bad answer. Definitely isn't worthy of being called rage bate. We'd all be in love with Kon if he was the pick. Especially with how many Spurs posters had been so hung up on shooting every off season.
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Ag Natural said:

Guitarsoup said:

Ag Natural said:

HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

LawHall88 said:

AggieEP said:

Also, hard to remember now but draft gurus loved Reed and thought it was a great pick for the Rockets.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2024/draft-grades

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5596270/2024/06/28/nba-draft-grades-every-team-2024/

Both outlets gave the Rockets A's for picking him. Obviously in a redraft scenario they'd take Castle instead.

O'Connor is such a tool.


I used to like KOC. But dude is high on his own supply ever since he went out on his own. He's the one that's been really beating the "Spurs should have taken Kon over Harper" drum the last few months. Never mind that he was also one of the supposed experts that took the under on all the preseason win projections for the Spurs and didn't think they were in any position to take a "win now" type of player. And despite that stance, He's been fairly anti "Harper being a good fit for the spurs" since day 1. Guy is a ******.



Im pretty sure he did a pod recently where he admitted that he was wrong. Those three gaurds are a secret sauce, not a fit problem.

He's still saying Kon over Dylan. Talked about it a few days ago. He didn't walk back the trade Dylan in this segment at least and his guest said he thinks that Harper is going to have over 6 AS games.



I think KOC has just become a rage baiter.


Rage bate? I think its pretty fair opinion to think Kin would have been a phenomenal picks for the Spurs. Especially in the short term.

But most believe Harper will be the better player long run. So really there is no bad answer. Definitely isn't worthy of being called rage bate. We'd all be in love with Kon if he was the pick. Especially with how many Spurs posters had been so hung up on shooting every off season.

Not just the Harper thing, but in general. I still listen to him some and follow him on Twitter. His insistence that the Spurs would take Kon in a redraft despite everything that everyone else has said is kind of wild. And Harper is straight up the better defender and playmaker of the two, which are obviously qualities the Spurs value deeply.

I think that is why he spends so much time coming up with and advocating for weird and ridiculous trades. They are engagement bait. He was still pushing for Castle/Harper for Giannis trades up until the deadline. Maybe engagement bait is the more proper term than rage bait, but basically the same thing.

His article on the Spurs dilemma with drafting Harper instead of trading down or trading for a star now basically said we were more like the Garnett Wolves or AD Pelicans than the Duncan Spurs if we keep Harper and that keeping Harper is more like building a 2005 Spurs team than a 2025 championship team and we would waste Wemby by not following the current blueprint of surrounding your star with shooters. I think going that heavy in criticism was pretty ugly at the time and looks even worse in hindsight just a few months later. I think his continual posts about Harper/Kon are to get people to engage (and it works.) His guests, Spurs reporters, fans, etc all say he's crazy. And that's my point. I think he is doing a lot of this to generate the engagement and drive traffic. I think he's always done it to an extent, but is going heavier on it now that he's the man at Yahoo.
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He planted a pretty big flag on "Castle-Harper-Fox can't coexist" island so it's no surprise he doesn't want to admit that was a stupid take from the jump
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Yeah the easy and lazy analysis is to look at Kon's numbers and assume that these good Spurs would be even more dominant with Kon added in because he averages 20 a game and Dylan is only averaging 12, but I think this is borderline absurd because it completely ignores the fact that Dylan has now been shooting 56% from the field for the past 2 months. He's just about the most efficient guard in the league already if this is who he is and not just am abberation.

Not to mention, the defense that Harper has flashed is also elite, you don't have to squint that hard to see Harper showing a lot of what SGA has in his game and that's an MVP level player. If and when Dylan's usage rate increases is when we'll find out just what his ceiling is for sure.

I think Kon is nice, but I think the absolute ceiling for him is something like Desmond Bane. I think in 5 years it'll be easy to throw these "take Kon over Dylan" videos up and laugh at them.
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TheNotoriousP.I.P. said:

He planted a pretty big flag on "Castle-Harper-Fox can't coexist" island so it's no surprise he doesn't want to admit that was a stupid take from the jump

I'm quite enjoying thinking about all the people that tried to get the Spurs to trade for Durant, Giannis, Murphy, etc. Spurs are 23-1 over Wemby's last 24 games and have the #1 net

Spurs are the only team with 20 wins over this period (Feb 1st-now, about the last 25 games)

Stats in that time:

#1 offense
#3 defense
#1 Net (20% better than #2)
#1 in Assist/Turnover
#3 in DRB
#3 rebounding %
#1 in eFG%
#1 in C&S points
#1 in C&S FG%
#1 in C&S 3pt made
#1 in C&S 3pt % (41.7%!!!)
#1 in assists
#2 in secondary assists (pass to another player who gets an assist within 1 second without dribbling)
#1 in FG% on paint touches
#1 lowest turnover rate on paint touches
#1 in Clutch wins and win %
#1 lowest clutch time turnovers
#2 lowest fouls in clutch time
#3 in 3pt% (38%)
#3 in 2pt%

The level we are playing at and the level at which we are peaking is outright amazing.
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Ag Natural said:

Guitarsoup said:

Ag Natural said:

HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

LawHall88 said:

AggieEP said:

Also, hard to remember now but draft gurus loved Reed and thought it was a great pick for the Rockets.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/2024/draft-grades

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5596270/2024/06/28/nba-draft-grades-every-team-2024/

Both outlets gave the Rockets A's for picking him. Obviously in a redraft scenario they'd take Castle instead.

O'Connor is such a tool.


I used to like KOC. But dude is high on his own supply ever since he went out on his own. He's the one that's been really beating the "Spurs should have taken Kon over Harper" drum the last few months. Never mind that he was also one of the supposed experts that took the under on all the preseason win projections for the Spurs and didn't think they were in any position to take a "win now" type of player. And despite that stance, He's been fairly anti "Harper being a good fit for the spurs" since day 1. Guy is a ******.



Im pretty sure he did a pod recently where he admitted that he was wrong. Those three gaurds are a secret sauce, not a fit problem.

He's still saying Kon over Dylan. Talked about it a few days ago. He didn't walk back the trade Dylan in this segment at least and his guest said he thinks that Harper is going to have over 6 AS games.



I think KOC has just become a rage baiter.


Rage bate? I think its pretty fair opinion to think Kin would have been a phenomenal picks for the Spurs. Especially in the short term.

But most believe Harper will be the better player long run. So really there is no bad answer. Definitely isn't worthy of being called rage bate. We'd all be in love with Kon if he was the pick. Especially with how many Spurs posters had been so hung up on shooting every off season.


By the end of the next year the Kon > Harper stans ade gonna feel pretty dumb.

Hell maybe by the end of the playoffs this year.
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Im not emotional about it. I truly think Kon would be awesome on the Spurs. I also happen to think that Harper has the potential to be a superstar. So of course I like the pick.

I just have no issue with counter opinions. There seems to be no bad outcome for the Spurs.
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I'm getting to a point where I almost don't care what they're saying. I don't think the Spurs would have a better record with Kon. The Fox-Castle-Harper rotation has been so good and they have a chance to have the best record in the league. I think Dylan will be more valuable in the playoffs than Kon would be.
And as far as the future is concerned, where does Kon go from here? Is he going to improve over this year? I guess we will see.
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jteagle said:

I'm getting to a point where I almost don't care what they're saying. I don't think the Spurs would have a better record with Kon. The Fox-Castle-Harper rotation has been so good and they have a chance to have the best record in the league. I think Dylan will be more valuable in the playoffs than Kon would be.
And as far as the future is concerned, where does Kon go from here? Is he going to improve over this year? I guess we will see.

I think a lot of reactive guys like KOC aren't looking at the ever evolving landscape of the NBA. Totally get it, the Spurs spent most of the season below average at shooting and you absolutely need shooting.

I've been banging the drum for a couple years now that rim pressure is the next big thing, and I think this Spurs team is showing that now. Having Harper, Castle, and Fox that can create constant rim pressure with Wemby and Kornet as two of the best lob threats in the game opens up dimensions for the Spurs that no one else has.

Most teams have a primary and then a secondary initiator. Spurs legitimately have three primary playmakers that are all elite at getting to the rim and finishing, and they all have different ways they can do that. Fox has the elite speed and is savvy. Harper has brilliant footwork and Castle can overpower anyone. Most teams only play one POA defender, but if you put one on one of our guards, we have another elite guy that can attack the other way.

KOC and many others just went hard at three ball handlers cant work, but in practice, it makes the Spurs way more dangerous than anyone. And Harper and Castle both having huge positional size advantages while Fox has speed and doesn't really give up size (like Sheppard or Trae) makes the Spurs all the more potent.

I still think the talking heads haven't caught up yet on the importance of rim pressure to a functioning offense and the Spurs evolving maturity with the three guards is a huge reason why our 3pt shooting has gotten so much better as the season progressed.
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The Spurs may not have that pure elite shooter but they have enough shooting that 1 or 2 tend to get hot on any given night. It's good enough that you have to defend the perimeter which opens up driving lanes and spreads the court. Plus the excellent rim pressure and ball movement lead to wide open shots that ticks up shooting percentage considerably for even average shooters.

Fans love offense but the Spurs ability to defend so well is what makes them elite. Alot of that is Wemby anchoring at an all-time great level, but it helps that there aren't many players that you have to hide on defense in a lineup that goes 10 deep. Ticking up 3 Pt% by a couple points at the expense of a worse defense is a losing proposition. You add Durant to this team and it gets worse as an example.

Honestly, if we could do nothing but role this same team out for the next 5 years I think that's at least 2 championships. Just wish the salary cap allowed for us to keep them together long-term. There should be a homegrown talent exception like the MLE to keep homegrown talent. Will stink to see someone like Bryant/Castle/Harper who you watched develop from the start walk over money. Seeing Timmy, Manu and Parker grow up together and reach elite goals was an all-time fan joy. Hope we can duplicate that as much as possible with this squad.
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NBA's KIA MVP Ladder just updated:

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-march-27-2026

1. Victor Wembanyama, San Antonio Spurs

Last week's ranking: No. 3

Season stats: 24.2 points, 11.2 rebounds, 3.1 blocks

His case: Wembanyama is transforming into a historic defender in such a short period of time. Usually, that's the toughest part of the game for a young player to master. Wembanyama is different in that he entered the league with solid defensive instincts and, coupled with his enviable size, is making a massive impact here in his third season.
He has 17 blocks in his last three games and is averaging nearly as many blocks per game this season as the Utah Jazz (3.8 bpg), Denver Nuggets (3.9) and Milwaukee Bucks (3.9) are as a team this season. Finally, Wembanyama is doing this despite averaging under 30 minutes a night. His stats would expand with more minutes.
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Backcountry Birds said:

The Spurs may not have that pure elite shooter but they have enough shooting that 1 or 2 tend to get hot on any given night. It's good enough that you have to defend the perimeter which opens up driving lanes and spreads the court. Plus the excellent rim pressure and ball movement lead to wide open shots that ticks up shooting percentage considerably for even average shooters.

Fans love offense but the Spurs ability to defend so well is what makes them elite. Alot of that is Wemby anchoring at an all-time great level, but it helps that there aren't many players that you have to hide on defense in a lineup that goes 10 deep. Ticking up 3 Pt% by a couple points at the expense of a worse defense is a losing proposition. You add Durant to this team and it gets worse as an example.



I think the Spurs movement and dedication to the extra pass in recent games creates so many open looks and the Spurs have improved as a team and individually by taking the open looks and not forcing the off the dribbles. Fox still takes WAY too many pull up 3s for me (19% of his shots) and he is only hitting 30% on them (while 18% of his shots are C&S threes and he hits 38% on those.) Outside that, I can't nitpick anything about the offense.

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Honestly, if we could do nothing but role this same team out for the next 5 years I think that's at least 2 championships. Just wish the salary cap allowed for us to keep them together long-term. There should be a homegrown talent exception like the MLE to keep homegrown talent. Will stink to see someone like Bryant/Castle/Harper who you watched develop from the start walk over money. Seeing Timmy, Manu and Parker grow up together and reach elite goals was an all-time fan joy. Hope we can duplicate that as much as possible with this squad.

My guess is still we trade Fox in summer 2028 for depth and keep the team together for the next 2 seasons after this year.

Before the 2028 draft we will likely see the expansion draft. I think Julian gets an extension and Keldon will get an extension. I can't see Barnes being a big part of this team beyond that. Typical expansion draft is you can protect up to 8 players and must leave at least 1 player unprotected. Assuming we keep Barnes 2 more years and give extensions to Keldon and Julian, our team will look like:

1. Wemby
2. Fox
3. Castle
4. Harper
5. Bryant
6. Keldon
7. Julian
8. 2026 1st round pick (Yaxel, Morez?)
9. 2027 1st round pick
10. Kornet.

I think we leave Kornet available. He will be 33 and have 1 year left on his contract and expansion teams don't generally build around old backup centers. If the NBA says you have to leave 2 players open, we will know that this summer, and we draft a 2nd round pick in 2027 and give them a 2y deal. It gets complicated with the two rookie deal players, but wouldn't be out of the question for the Spurs to move a 2027 pick from the Hawks for a 2028 pick that wouldn't be at risk for the expansion draft.

But then we also have the difficulty of 2028-29 being the year that Castle's extension hits. I think that is when we trade Fox after the expansion draft to rebuild depth and get picks. Fox will be 30, probably have a ring or two, and have 2y left on his contract. Spurs could also have the option of running it back one more year and just eating some hard luxury tax in the 28-29 season, but then in 29-30, Harper and Bryant's extensions kick and and I think Fox has to be gone by then. That's why I think Fox will be traded in 28 for depth and picks.
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So you don't have to open it:
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1. 18 teams in draft lottery (seeds 7-15 in each conference) flattened odds, with bottom 10 teams having an 8% chance, the remaining 20% odds distributed in decreasing order for 11 through 18, and and a lottery drawing for all 18 picks.

2) 22 teams in lottery using 2-year record (seeds 7-15, plus the four playoff first round exits in both conferences). Lottery teams would reach a minimum win total floor in each season, such as 25 wins. If a team falls short of the floor, it gets slotted to meet the floor. Top 4 drawn as part of lottery, as is currently.

3) 18 teams in a "5 by 5" lottery bottom 5 teams have equal odds for the top pick, with lottery formed for picks 1-5. Bottom 5 teams have a floor at 10; those that fall out of top 5 get sorted in a separate drawing.


My first reaction is big meh.
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Needs to be more drastic I think. Something along the lines of also having the worst 1-2 teams have 0% shot of pick 1..maybe even picks 1 and 2.
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Someone suggested that the worst three teams automatically get picks 4-5-6 and the rest of the teams are in the lottery for 1-3.

I kind of like that.
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I like that one
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Hawks lost tonight.
On their last 8 games they have Celtics, Knicks, Magic, Cavs x 2, and The Heat.
I don't see them finishing very strong. Playoffs aren't a done deal yet.
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They have us with Karim Lopez or Thomas Haugh. Both had Yaxel and Morez going before we pick.
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Wondering if the Spurs will try to trade up using a combo of their 3 2nd round picks/1st round pick depending on how the ATL 1st pick conveys?
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jsc8116 said:

Wondering if the Spurs will try to trade up using a combo of their 3 2nd round picks/1st round pick depending on how the ATL 1st pick conveys?


Last year Memphis used an unprotected 1st and two 2nds to move up from 16 to 11.

I think the chance we give up a first to move up a few spots is ridiculously small
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Guitarsoup said:

jsc8116 said:

Wondering if the Spurs will try to trade up using a combo of their 3 2nd round picks/1st round pick depending on how the ATL 1st pick conveys?


Last year Memphis used an unprotected 1st and two 2nds to move up from 16 to 11.

I think the chance we give up a first to move up a few spots is ridiculously small

I think he is suggesting we give up our first (Atlanta's) and all our seconds in the upcoming draft for a better first. Doubt there would be many takers for that, though.

Also, the way Atlanta is playing, it seems fairly likely the pick won't be in the lottery. Stupid competant Hawks.
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Hawks have only beaten one playoff team (top 6 either conference) since January 28th. That one team was Detroit in OT without Cade. I think they will slide a little to close out the season.


Can't move up meaningfully with 2nds.
jteagle
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Another interesting possibility if the pick stays around 20 is Allen Graves from Santa Clara.
6'9" PF that shoots 40% from 3, rebounds, and plays good defense.
Guitarsoup
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Agree. High risk, high reward pick like Jalen Williams. He checks a lot of boxes, but stats are off th bench for a mid major.
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That pass from Wemby to Castle was nasty

AggieEP
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I don't think there is anyway we trade to move up, in fact I think it'd be more likely to watch us move back a few spots if someone else falls in love with someone at 15-20 or wherever our pick ends up if we think we can move back and get who we want still.

This is the model we used during the entire dynasty period and I'd expect we continue to be selective with who we add. I remember drafts during that period were rarely exciting on draft night but we consistently found players that fit what we needed and wanted late in the draft.

As a fan, I kind of hope they take a swing at finding another high upside wing but I'll understand if they play it safe. Assuming we run it back next year with the same guys there just aren't any minutes there to develop another rookie. So a think they'll target high floor multi year college kids or draft and stash euros.
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