***********2024-2025 San Antonio Spurs Thread********************

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Sher Thing
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AggieEP said:

I love Giannis, but the issue is the price both in assets and cap space.

Milwaukee can't trade him unless the deal is lucrative. This isn't going to be a Luka situation where you get him for cheap. He's the 2nd best basketball player in the world and is going to require you to give up real assets to require. And then you have to pay him 60 million a year. Max players are great to have because they are great, but they also suck because it locks up your flexibility to improve the team around them.

The Tim Duncan analogy doesn't work because the cap rules were different back then.

Fox, Castle, Giannis Wemby sounds great, but the moment we extend Wemby on a max deal we have zero flexibility.

Fox 50 million
Giannis 60 mil
Wemby 35 mil

That's why you hear Guitar talking about transitioning with Fox for 4 years while we have Harper and Castle for relative bargains.

Fox 50 mil
Harper 12 mil
Castle 10 mil

Still allows you flexibility.to build out the rest of the roster even after we give Wemby a max rookie scale extension.


I understand and agree that building this slowly like OKC has is typically the much smarter way to do this. However, we have a 7'5 guy at the center of this whole thing who's already had a season ending injury in Year 2 of his career. He is already the best defensive player in the NBA today right now. But how long will his career last? 10 years? 5 years? The Spurs probably have a better handle on this than anyone else does. That's where trying to win now with Giannis becomes intriguing.
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Fox trade looks even better now with moving up to #2 in this draft

Guitarsoup
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Sher Thing said:

AggieEP said:

I love Giannis, but the issue is the price both in assets and cap space.

Milwaukee can't trade him unless the deal is lucrative. This isn't going to be a Luka situation where you get him for cheap. He's the 2nd best basketball player in the world and is going to require you to give up real assets to require. And then you have to pay him 60 million a year. Max players are great to have because they are great, but they also suck because it locks up your flexibility to improve the team around them.

The Tim Duncan analogy doesn't work because the cap rules were different back then.

Fox, Castle, Giannis Wemby sounds great, but the moment we extend Wemby on a max deal we have zero flexibility.

Fox 50 million
Giannis 60 mil
Wemby 35 mil

That's why you hear Guitar talking about transitioning with Fox for 4 years while we have Harper and Castle for relative bargains.

Fox 50 mil
Harper 12 mil
Castle 10 mil

Still allows you flexibility.to build out the rest of the roster even after we give Wemby a max rookie scale extension.


I understand and agree that building this slowly like OKC has is typically the much smarter way to do this. However, we have a 7'5 guy at the center of this whole thing who's already had a season ending injury in Year 2 of his career. He is already the best defensive player in the NBA today right now. But how long will his career last? 10 years? 5 years? The Spurs probably have a better handle on this than anyone else does. That's where trying to win now with Giannis becomes intriguing.
A blood clot isn't really an injury, though. A torn ACL is an injury. A torn achilles is an injury.

It is certainly a health concern, but the most similar situation was Brandon Ingram's right shoulder clot and he came back and was an All-Star the next year and has never had a problem with it since. It's been 6 seasons since he had it.

Dame had one this year and only missed 15 games.

Wemby's already out there playing soccer with kids.



If the team thinks Wemby has a 5 year window, then that is only thing. But I don't see any indication that that is what the team thinks.

Cade exploded this year. I think that Harper will be a similar player to Cade, but with better defense. Give Harper 2-3 years to cook and learn and then turn it over to him when he's about to explode. Fox will still have value and the Spurs can move him to a team that needs an elite scoring PG.

But the other thing is that Fox can play better than you think off ball. He hit 39% on catch and shoot threes last year.

Having three guys that are potentially elite at rim pressure and two of them have huge size advantages is a huge thing for us going forward.
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The Ringer's

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

SCOUTING REPORT BY Danny Chau

To get a clearer sense of where Harper is headed, watch his feetbut have the pause button ready. He is one of the jewels of the draft, with the full modern tool kit: Euro-steps, stepbacks, spins, and step-throughs. Harper plays a patient game, and while he lacks top-end speed, he parcels out his short-area quickness in small, syncopated bursts. There is always an intent behind his dribbles, his footwork, his feints and hesitations. Harper's body control, in conjunction with his ballhandling ability, grants him unique ways of throwing defenders off. He's constantly placing the emphasis on a different syllable every time he goes down the floor.

His on-ball commandmanipulating ball screens, decisively splitting hard hedges out of the pick-and-roll like it's second natureought to be illegal at his age; he only recently turned 19. And once that four-on-three advantage is created, Harper has all the live-dribble passing talent and lob touch necessary to bend defenses past their breaking point. The same command of timing Harper has on drives, he demonstrates in his facilitatinghe has a knack for allowing creases to form in an overcommitted defense, getting the ball to his open man at the very last second, when the window is widest. If there is a worry, it's that he might overrely on screenshis possessions in isolation don't paint an overly compelling picture of a player who can create advantages all by himself. For all the acclaim Harper has gotten this season, that is a real concern for his ultimate ceiling as a shot creator, especially one without great foot speed. He's shown himself to be a promising spot-up threat from 3, but his pull-up consistency isn't quite where it needs to be. But give him even a half step to get his defender on his hip, and you get a glimpse of what makes Harper special.

Getting to the rim is the hallmark of Harper's game. It also helps to be able to finish in the paint. Luckily, Harper is one of the best at that in recent NCAA history. If you strictly looked at his at-rim shooting percentage, you'd think he was a rim-running big man.

Harper has the instincts and pedigree to be a good defender. He's strong, with excellent pattern recognition, but he's also a consensus top-two prospect playing for a massively underwhelming Rutgers squad. As such, the effort isn't often therethough it sometimes isn't for high-usage omni-guards in the NBA. Being the engine of an NBA offense is one of the most taxing commitments in team sports. It can take years to find the balance, if it ever comes at all. But if there's that potential outcome for Harper's career, he's a risk worth taking.



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Yahoo Sports (KOC) - https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/pre-draft-board/?view=default&board=0&filter=

Summary
Harper is a big-bodied lefty combo guard with NBA blood in his veins, as the son of Ron Harper, who was a 20/5/5 guy before winning five titles as a role player. Like his father, Harper has a high-floor with the skill, poise, and playmaking instincts to dictate the game at his pace. But the fate of his jumper will determine whether he's an All-Star or just one of the NBA's many solid guards.

Scouting Report

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STRENGTHS

Crafty at-rim finishing: Harper looks like James Harden on drives to the basket, and not because he's a lefty. He fluidly strings together dribble moves, keeps a low dribble especially when splitting pick-and-rolls, and can use his bulky frame to shield defenders to finish through contact using touch. Prime Harden was a better vertical athlete with a quicker first step, but Harper is a near 70% scorer in the restricted area, and his deep bag of pivots, floaters, and off-hand finishes makes him a terror at the rim whether he's finishing or drawing fouls.

Poised ball-handling: He plays at his own tempo, leveraging change of speed, a slick handle, and physicality rather than raw burst to get where he wants on the floor. Sometimes it seems like he's moving slow, but that's because he wants to. This style makes him advanced for his age navigating pick-and-rolls, though his jumper must progress for him to fully unlock his talents.

Playmaking: Harper is a good decision-maker who tends to make the right play, and he can make all the standard passes like interior dump-offs, lobs, and kickouts. He isn't some savant playmaker, but he's beyond capable at running the show.

Spot-up shooting: In a multi-creator offense, it'll be important that Harper continues progressing as an off-ball player. At Rutgers, he showed the ability to hit shots off the catch, making 36.8% of those chances. His release is a little low, but overall looks smooth.

Defensive upside: Harper carried such a heavy offensive load at Rutgers, his average defense is forgivable for now. At his size, with such long arms, and strong spatial awareness, he should end up as a much more engaged defender in the long term. The flashes of competitive defense against opponents of varying sizes offer enough reason for optimism.

CONCERNS

Shooting: Harper is capable of getting hot off the dribble, but he's streaky and his averages are subpar from the free throw line, the midrange, and beyond the arc. This was an issue for him in high school too, and remains his biggest concern entering the NBA. As a 27.8% shooter on dribble-jumpers from 2-point range and 29.2% from 3, can he survive as a primary creator? Could he get to the rim the way he does in college? He'll need these numbers to significantly improve.

Burst: Not an explosive player off the dribble, whether it's his first step or his leaping in traffic. Many of his midrange shots are contested, and he's largely a below-the-rim finisher. If his jumper doesn't someday click, this would cap his scoring upside.

Lateral quickness: His size is a plus, but staying in front of shiftier guards could be a challenge at the next level since even in college he had struggles staying in front of quicker guards.


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The Athletic (Hollinger) https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6344540/2025/05/12/nba-draft-2025-prospects-cooper-flagg-dylan-harper/

I don't think Harper's case at No. 2 is quite as ironclad as some others think it is, but at the end of the day, I still give him the nod over Baylor's V.J. Edgecombe for this spot. Harper doesn't pop athletically and struggled to shoot consistently in his lone college season (33.3 percent from 3, 75.0 percent from the line), but he is a true ball-in-hand, pick-and-roll creator with plus size and instincts.

His nose for the ball makes up for some meh measurables: Despite not being a speed demon, he pilfered 3.1 steals per 100 possessions in Big Ten play and the defensive tape shows him sliding to cut off driving angles. Offensively, he constantly touches the paint and shot 57.4 percent on 2s with a high free-throw rate. Harper did this despite a limited Rutgers roster around him; the surrounding talent likely jobbed him out of several assists.
High-usage, big guards like Harper are among the most difficult and expensive to obtain by other means; in a related story, they are among the most important when it comes to building a successful roster. That's why he has to be the choice here.

Little side note: Harper's height and wingspan are both 1/4" off of Kobe Bryant's. Same weight.
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The bottom line for me is, this gives the Spurs leverage and options. I have a preference but honestly, at this point, I trust the front office.
In my opinion, whichever way they decide to go is a win.

I just like to play devil's advocate.
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flashplayer said:

jteagle said:

flashplayer said:

jteagle said:

Looks like I'm in the minority here but I'm in on trading for Giannis.
You can have a prospect with high upside or a 2 time MVP.
Imagine if someone told you, you could have Tim Duncan at 30 years old. Are you going to turn it down?
A front court of Victor and Giannis with Fox and Castle would be lethal.


Rookie Russell Westbrook for 30 year old Timmy? I am taking Russ there.


And what has Russ ever won? Timmy won two rings after 30.
Good decision there.


Timmy was not winning that much after that 07 ring. Some of yall forget how bad he looked before he lost weight and reinvented himself a bit in those later years with very managed time. He wasn't our best player in those 13-14 battles against Bron.

I love Tim the person, that goes without saying. He's our GOAT. But if I am any team and it's about 08-09 amd you give me the choice of 19-20 year old Westbrook vs Duncan then you are going to look bad if you pick Duncan to build around there.

I am mainly picking Westbrook because Harper reminds me a bit of his game. I think he can probably be that at a minimum.


I get that logic and yet, the bottom line is rings. Some players are winners and some players are just not. They don't have it. You have to weigh in the winning mentality. I would love for Victor to learn from Giannis. He's a winner with a winning attitude. Russ never had that.
Just one man's opinion.
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HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

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Dylan Harper
Rutgers, Freshman
SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Elite footwork in the paint is a huge plus for any position, but it's a literal game changer for a guard in the playoffs. It means that their effectiveness around the basket isn't dependent on balls-to-the-wall speed, and they can continue to generate quality possessions when the game slows way down and becomes a half-court battle. Harper has that kind of footwork, along with terrific positional size and an ability to guard multiple positions. He might not play with San Antonio's first unit right away, given that the team just traded for De'Aaron Fox at the deadline, but his size will allow him to play next to any combination of Fox, Stephon Castle, or Devin Vassell. Ultimately, taking Harper is the smart asset play. Large lead handlers, with the upside to be an offensive hub, are pretty favorable square-one players for any team that might be looking to start over.


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Danny Wolf
Michigan, Junior
SAN ANTONIO SPURS
The more unsavory parts of Wolf's gameturnovers, inconsistent shooting, meh-to-OK defensive upsideare a big reason why I think his responsibilities will need to be compressed into a smaller role in the NBA. But the length and athleticism of the Spurs should do a lot to protect him while allowing his polish as a lob thrower and feathery slinger of skip passes to shine. I also think he's a better shooter than many make him out to be, so he should form a nice synergy with Victor Wembanyama and give him opportunities to toggle between driving the ball and operating in the mid-post. Wolf has his minuses, but his overall feel for the game should allow him to stay on the floor.


The Cedric Coward jump is wild. I don't think Bryant will be there for the Spurs but man, he'd be a perfect role player.
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Some of you are too literal. Harper's game is like Westbrook's in his ability to get to the rim with ease, etc.

No one is saying he's Westbrook reincarnate complete with the BBIQ of a gnat.
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FTAG 2000 said:

Some of you are too literal. Harper's game is like Westbrook's in his ability to get to the rim with ease, etc.

No one is saying he's Westbrook reincarnate complete with the BBIQ of a gnat.


Thank you. Exactly my point. Like I said, his FLOOR is probably Westbrook and his ceiling is something better. You don't trade 19 year old that for 30+ guy who is entering the downhill portion of his career.

And in the Tim comparison to Giannis, at least Tim had a whole bunch of skills to fall back on when his body began to fail him. What will Giannis do?
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This has Sorber and Fleming going before our 14 pick and is taking Danny Wolf.
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I take a swing on Noa Essengue there. Maybe Cedric Coward
Earth Rider
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I'd take a big over another guard or an undersized wing. We need size and length. Our front court is Wemby, an undersized sochan, and Barnes who has been around forever.
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FTAG 2000 said:

Some of you are too literal. Harper's game is like Westbrook's in his ability to get to the rim with ease, etc.

No one is saying he's Westbrook reincarnate complete with the BBIQ of a gnat.
I'm not saying anything about Westbrook. Someone else brought him up. I know Harper is very good and has extreme talent. I would be fine if the Spurs decided to keep the pick and take him.

I just think that Giannis make any team an immediate contender. If the 2nd pick helps you get there without giving up too much of your young core, why not go for it.

In the end, it's all speculation anyway. Giannis may decide to stay in Milwaukee.

I just think it's worth a discussion.
Guitarsoup
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Giannis makes any team a contender just like Durant...

Unless you have to give up too much and are top heavy without depth... Just like Durant and Phoenix
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I'd rather have Harper, Fox, Castle, and the pile of picks the next couple of years to replenish on the cheap than be leveraged and thin with Giannis.
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FTAG 2000 said:

I'd rather have Harper, Fox, Castle, and the pile of picks the next couple of years to replenish on the cheap than be leveraged and thin with Giannis.


Exactly. And our Chicago pick this year ended up at 12. So we moved 5 seconds, the #12 pick, the 2027 pick in two years, which is probably in the twenties, and a 2031 pick for Fox. Plus we got off Zach Collins contract.

That's a great deal.

In 2 years if Harper has made the leap, we can move Fox and get similar value out of him.
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I had this dream last night where Wemby was standing at the top of the key with the ball playing air traffic controller, some dork named Sengun pretending to "guard" him, and then this sequence of passes between Fox, Castle, Vassell and Harper started flying around leading to a cheap floater from Wemby. Easy bucket.

It was almost....beautiful...
Enzo The Baker
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If you were the Spurs would you trade #2, Dallas swap and two firsts + filler for Flagg?
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Take out the filler and yes.
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Enzo The Baker said:

If you were the Spurs would you trade #2, Dallas swap and two firsts + filler for Flagg?

Depends on the filler and the picks.

Our own firsts are going to be worthless for a while. Not concerned about those. The Dallas swap seems obvious in this trade, let them have it back.

What's the filler? Castle is a hard no, Vassell is a tough one. Keldon isn't that valuable to Dallas.

I do it if I'm the Spurs, I don't know what we are willing to give up that Dallas would want. They can get better value from the Rockets or OKC if those teams wanted to jump to 1.
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Enzo The Baker said:

If you were the Spurs would you trade #2, Dallas swap and two firsts + filler for Flagg?
I would do #2 + #14 + give them their 2030 pick back. Give them swaps on 2028/2029/2032 maybe. (30 we have Minn, 31 we have Sac)

I don't think Dallas could do it, though. And it is funny because Cooper is a WAY better fit for us and Harper is a way better fit for them.

But if Dallas trades Cooper after trading Luka, they are going to burn that whole city down.
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Gonna be hilarious if it comes out that Flagg pulls a Sarr-to-Atlanta middle finger. Nico does Nico things and takes Harper.
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superunknown said:

Gonna be hilarious if it comes out that Flagg pulls a Sarr-to-Atlanta middle finger. Nico does Nico things and takes Harper.
Coop did not look excited when Dallas won last night.
Guitarsoup
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Will Matt Nielsen have us take the big Aussie with 38?

Guitarsoup
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My guy Carter Bryant gonna shoot up past 14.

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Dylan Harper 36.5" max vertical. Half inch short of Castle.

Cooper was 35.5.
Ace Bailey was 34.5.
Guitarsoup
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Derik Queen, who I have openly been hating on for months, just posted a standing vertical of 23" and a max vertical of 28". His speed/agility times were worse across the board than big slow guys like Clingan and Edey.
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Cedric Coward 6'5.5" 213lbs with 7'2" wingspan and 38.5" vertical. Kawhi was 1/2" taller, 10lbs heavier with 1" longer wingspan. But Kawhi only had a 32" max vertical.

56/40/84 shooting at Wazzu for 18p/7r/3.7a

If Bryant and Fleming at gone, he might be the guy at 14.
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Guitarsoup said:




This is the guy I want with the second pick. I squint and see Derrick McKey.
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Guitarsoup said:

Will Matt Nielsen have us take the big Aussie with 38?




I don't know anything about this kid. But compared to wemby, physically, he's a man
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AGpops1923 said:

Guitarsoup said:

Will Matt Nielsen have us take the big Aussie with 38?




I don't know anything about this kid. But compared to wemby, physically, he's a man


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I hope not on another guard at 14. We can only play so many guards at one time, even if they also play wing. We will have Vassell, Harper, Fox, and Castle. We have had Fox for less than a year and Castle for one year. And now the uber talented Harper. Lets see how these guys play together before adding another rookie guard to it.

We need a 4 that can shoot a 3, a wing with length, or a backup center/PF. We have some big holes in this roster.

We got killed with drives and layups and giving up offensive rebounds when Wemby was out. It was about as bad as I have seen at times last year. Incredibly frustrating for me. I have to think Sorber, Fleming, or even Essengue will be available. I would take Maluach or Newell and I know you don't like Newell. Maluach I think would be a great backup 5, and ok if we just get 4 years out of him as he would take pressure off Wemby. Or Wemby could play the 4 which is his preferred position.
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Earth Rider said:

I hope not on another guard at 14. We can only play so many guards at one time, even if they also play wing. We will have Vassell, Harper, Fox, and Castle. We have had Fox for less than a year and Castle for one year. And now the uber talented Harper. Lets see how these guys play together before adding another rookie guard to it.

We need a 4 that can shoot a 3, a wing with length, or a backup center/PF. We have some big holes in this roster.

We got killed with drives and layups and giving up offensive rebounds when Wemby was out. It was about as bad as I have seen at times last year. Incredibly frustrating for me. I have to think Sorber, Fleming, or even Essengue will be available. I would take Maluach or Newell and I know you don't like Newell. Maluach I think would be a great backup 5, and ok if we just get 4 years out of him as he would take pressure off Wemby. Or Wemby could play the 4 which is his preferred position.


He's a SF, which we need, and has similar measurements to Kawhi.

The only PF that can shoot is Fleming and he might be gone at 14.

Essengue is likely a multiple year project.

Malauch won't get past Toronto at 9.

I would take Sorber at 14, but would take Bryant or Fleming first.

Backup center is better served with the MLE to Steven Adams or Luke Kornet
Enzo The Baker
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I'm thrilled with 2. But Lowe just said the Spurs had 3 of the remaining numbers needed to get the 1st pick before the 4th number draw. In other words, we were the heavy favorites for Flagg after ball 3 in the first draw and still got the 2nd pick after.
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