Guitarsoup said:

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Cedric Coward 6'5.5" 213lbs with 7'2" wingspan and 38.5" vertical. Kawhi was 1/2" taller, 10lbs heavier with 1" longer wingspan. But Kawhi only had a 32" max vertical.

56/40/84 shooting at Wazzu for 18p/7r/3.7a

If Bryant and Fleming at gone, he might be the guy at 14.

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He only played 6 games for Wazzu because of a shoulder injury. Great measurables but he's 21 years old and hasn't had much experience against high level competition. Played at Eastern Washington before.

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Cedric Coward 6'5.5" 213lbs with 7'2" wingspan and 38.5" vertical. Kawhi was 1/2" taller, 10lbs heavier with 1" longer wingspan. But Kawhi only had a 32" max vertical.

56/40/84 shooting at Wazzu for 18p/7r/3.7a

If Bryant and Fleming at gone, he might be the guy at 14.

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He only played 6 games for Wazzu because of a shoulder injury. Great measurables but he's 21 years old and hasn't had much experience against high level competition. Played at Eastern Washington before.

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Yep. He's been moving up a lot of boards. KOC talked about him a lot last night

If he pulls out of the draft, he's transferring to Duke.

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I hope not on another guard at 14. We can only play so many guards at one time, even if they also play wing. We will have Vassell, Harper, Fox, and Castle. We have had Fox for less than a year and Castle for one year. And now the uber talented Harper. Lets see how these guys play together before adding another rookie guard to it.

We need a 4 that can shoot a 3, a wing with length, or a backup center/PF. We have some big holes in this roster.

We got killed with drives and layups and giving up offensive rebounds when Wemby was out. It was about as bad as I have seen at times last year. Incredibly frustrating for me. I have to think Sorber, Fleming, or even Essengue will be available. I would take Maluach or Newell and I know you don't like Newell. Maluach I think would be a great backup 5, and ok if we just get 4 years out of him as he would take pressure off Wemby. Or Wemby could play the 4 which is his preferred position.

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He's a SF, which we need, and has similar measurements to Kawhi.

The only PF that can shoot is Fleming and he might be gone at 14.

Essengue is likely a multiple year project.

Malauch won't get past Toronto at 9.

I would take Sorber at 14, but would take Bryant or Fleming first.

Backup center is better served with the MLE to Steven Adams or Luke Kornet

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I am good with going with a backup center with the MLE. Surprised we can get one of those two with the MLE.

I think Fleming is the best pick at 14 but I think he will be gone by 14 though. Sorber would be my second choice.

After getting harper, I would take Essengue over Carter Bryant. Both I think both are multi-year projects. Essengue has a high ceiling and could end up being a top 3 player from this draft. I think Carter Bryant is likely a multi-year project as he averaged 6.5 ppg and 19 minutes in college.

Personally I would go with Newell after Carter Bryant. Especially if we get Harper. He's 19, very athletic, long, and a good rim protector and rebounder. I also think he would be a very good big in transition with Fox, Harper, and Castle pushing a fast pace. he has the speed to keep up. He would also cut down on those offensive rebounds we lost.

Since this is a really deep draft, there will probably be some good players at 14 that you might not expect to be there. You just never know what teams are looking for.

For example, I have seen multiple Mock Drafts that still have Fleming going in the 20s.

The top 8 or 9 are probably fairly predictable but after that, it's anybody's guess.

We can take Collin Murray Boyles off the draft sheet, right?

Collin Murray-Boyles spot-3 shooting drill at the NBA draft combine pic.twitter.com/qsqp53l0Jq

— Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) May 13, 2025

Our guy is 2 shot shy of the lead. Not too bad.

I just hope the Spurs don't try to get too cute here. We've passed the asset acquisition phase, now it's time to turn those assets into players and start winning. Really hoping we grab Harper and start learning what kind of back court monster we can build to complement Wemby.

The crazy thing is that exactly one year ago we were lamenting how crappy out guard situation was, and now we have Fox, Castle and hopefully Harper forming one of the more versatile back court groups in the league.

There is no way we pass on Harper unless a team wants to WAY overpay for that.

Yep, CMB is a hard no. Hopefully he gets drafted ahead of 14, but he may have fallen out of the top 20 after the combine.

Come play Bucky Ball

NEWS: Boogie Fland is withdrawing from the NBA Draft and will not participate in the remainder of the NBA draft combine, his agent Mike Miller told ESPN. Fland entered the NCAA transfer portal after his freshman season at Arkansas. pic.twitter.com/7vISs5gbdL

— Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) May 13, 2025

Rasheer Fleming’s boasts a unique combination of functional athleticism, defensive instincts & spacing upside.

By blending playstyle & physical comparison tools, we can approximate how he might translate to the NBA.

These comps profile him as the IDEAL versatile stretch 4. pic.twitter.com/W2r4HtJb72

— #InSnyderWeTrust (@dlee4three) May 13, 2025

Guitarsoup said:

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Rasheer Fleming’s boasts a unique combination of functional athleticism, defensive instincts & spacing upside.

By blending playstyle & physical comparison tools, we can approximate how he might translate to the NBA.

These comps profile him as the IDEAL versatile stretch 4. pic.twitter.com/W2r4HtJb72

— #InSnyderWeTrust (@dlee4three) May 13, 2025

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I spent a little time today watching some clips of Fleming and the only concern I have for him is how well does he move his feet on the perimeter? He was the biggest guy on his team and they usually played drop coverage against pick and rolls, so there weren't a ton clips of him guarding 1 on 1 against smaller wings/guards. His length, and activity makes him a weak side shot blocking menace and he's very disruptive getting tips in passing lanes.

Offensively, is his 3 point shot for real or an aberration? He shot ~40% this season but was under 33% his first two seasons. If you believe he's going to be above league average from 3, then he's an unbelievable roll player. If he's gone be closer to the low 30s, then he's Jeremy Sochan without the ability to occasionally push the ball.

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Guitarsoup said:

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Rasheer Fleming’s boasts a unique combination of functional athleticism, defensive instincts & spacing upside.

By blending playstyle & physical comparison tools, we can approximate how he might translate to the NBA.

These comps profile him as the IDEAL versatile stretch 4. pic.twitter.com/W2r4HtJb72

— #InSnyderWeTrust (@dlee4three) May 13, 2025

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I spent a little time today watching some clips of Fleming and the only concern I have for him is how well does he move his feet on the perimeter? He was the biggest guy on his team and they usually played drop coverage against pick and rolls, so there weren't a ton clips of him guarding 1 on 1 against smaller wings/guards. His length, and activity makes him a weak side shot blocking menace and he's very disruptive getting tips in passing lanes.

Offensively, is his 3 point shot for real or an aberration? He shot ~40% this season but was under 33% his first two seasons. If you believe he's going to be above league average from 3, then he's an unbelievable roll player. If he's gone be closer to the low 30s, then he's Jeremy Sochan without the ability to occasionally push the ball.

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His shot showed improvement each year and I think a heavy part of his threes were from the corner.

He cannot create his own shot and really will be a screener/roller and set shot guy only.

He moves his feet incredibly well and had really impressive numbers at the combine today. He also has an ungodly +9 wingspan - body wise he is a taller, longer Kawhi. Kawhi was 6'6 with 7'3 wingspan. This guy is almost 6'9 with 7'6 wingspan.

More like Bowen, you are never going to rely on him to dribble or create. He's there for easy buckets and defense only. But I think he could be a 14/9 guy on 55/38 shooting that only takes easy shots and stays out of the way. His assist to turnover was bad, but his turnovers weren't bad at just 1.8 per 36.

Defensively, I think he will do well. He does have very nice lateral speed and has a 7'6" wingspan - again talking about 3" longer wingspan than Kawhi here. He's going to be a PF D&3 guy that mostly stretches defenses and gets out of the way. But his size and quickness should keep teams from wanting to switch on him.

Rasheer Fleming takes over the fastest shuttle run time here at the 2025 NBA Draft Combine.

Really impressive mark at 2.72 seconds. pic.twitter.com/QDZI659WD5

— Jon Chepkevich (@JonChep) May 13, 2025

Think about this, we could trot out a get a stop line up of Wemby, Fleming, Sochan, Castle, Harper and the shortest guy on the court has Kobe's height and wingspan.

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Guitarsoup said:

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Rasheer Fleming’s boasts a unique combination of functional athleticism, defensive instincts & spacing upside.

By blending playstyle & physical comparison tools, we can approximate how he might translate to the NBA.

These comps profile him as the IDEAL versatile stretch 4. pic.twitter.com/W2r4HtJb72

— #InSnyderWeTrust (@dlee4three) May 13, 2025

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I spent a little time today watching some clips of Fleming and the only concern I have for him is how well does he move his feet on the perimeter? He was the biggest guy on his team and they usually played drop coverage against pick and rolls, so there weren't a ton clips of him guarding 1 on 1 against smaller wings/guards. His length, and activity makes him a weak side shot blocking menace and he's very disruptive getting tips in passing lanes.

Offensively, is his 3 point shot for real or an aberration? He shot ~40% this season but was under 33% his first two seasons. If you believe he's going to be above league average from 3, then he's an unbelievable roll player. If he's gone be closer to the low 30s, then he's Jeremy Sochan without the ability to occasionally push the ball.

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6'8" with a 7'5" wingspan is ridamndiculous

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West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Rasheer Fleming’s boasts a unique combination of functional athleticism, defensive instincts & spacing upside.

By blending playstyle & physical comparison tools, we can approximate how he might translate to the NBA.

These comps profile him as the IDEAL versatile stretch 4. pic.twitter.com/W2r4HtJb72

— #InSnyderWeTrust (@dlee4three) May 13, 2025

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I spent a little time today watching some clips of Fleming and the only concern I have for him is how well does he move his feet on the perimeter? He was the biggest guy on his team and they usually played drop coverage against pick and rolls, so there weren't a ton clips of him guarding 1 on 1 against smaller wings/guards. His length, and activity makes him a weak side shot blocking menace and he's very disruptive getting tips in passing lanes.

Offensively, is his 3 point shot for real or an aberration? He shot ~40% this season but was under 33% his first two seasons. If you believe he's going to be above league average from 3, then he's an unbelievable roll player. If he's gone be closer to the low 30s, then he's Jeremy Sochan without the ability to occasionally push the ball.

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6'8" with a 7'5" wingspan is ridamndiculous

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Round up if we draft him, down if we dont.

But imagine having a PF that can hit threes, has the same body as Jarrett Allen and guards on the perimeter. Isn't that ideally what we want? He averaged 10 rebounds per 36 in college. Also only 2.9 fouls per 36. Pretty good number.

With Tatum's injury, do we think the Celtics blow it up?

Any chance we try to get White back?

Pretty good video of Giannis working out with Bailey and Harper.

I admit both Bailey and Harper look great in the workout. Pretty good slam by Bailey into the video.

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With Tatum's injury, do we think the Celtics blow it up?

Any chance we try to get White back?

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No chance they blow it up unless by blow it up you mean get value for one or two guys they already have.

They're paying a ton of money for a team that will be without its best player for a year and who knows what he'll be like when he comes back.

I could see them pressing reset with the expensive vets and trying to gather assets to prepare for whatever the next iteration of the team looks like.

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With Tatum's injury, do we think the Celtics blow it up?

Any chance we try to get White back?

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Bro we have Dylan Harper, Stephon Castle, DeAaron Fox, and Devin Vassell. Why do we want White in there?

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With Tatum's injury, do we think the Celtics blow it up?

Any chance we try to get White back?

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No chance they blow it up unless by blow it up you mean get value for one or two guys they already have.

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Boston is going to have to do something drastic. Their tax bill for next season is $238M before they deal with Al Hortford, Torrey Craig, and Luke Kornet as Free agents.

If we offered Kornet a 4y deal starting at 10M and declining to be our backup center, it would cost Boston $90M in tax to match just that first year.

Repeater tax is a *****.

They are $19M over the 2nd apron BEFORE they fill out the last 2 or 3 roster spots. And now Tatum is out for at least most of the year.

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With Tatum's injury, do we think the Celtics blow it up?

Any chance we try to get White back?

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Outside chance they try to deal Brown. Much stronger chance they deal Jrue and or Kristaps. Doubt they try to deal White though. I'm not a cap expert, but their current "core"/top 5 players already has them over the 2nd apron, and repeat violator. 198m just with those 5. 2nd apron is projected at 188m I believe. They need to fill out the rest of the roster. And being over that 2nd apron makes the salaries they take back really tricky so they have to do something, and they'll get somewhat of a pass next season with Tatum out most of it

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CC09LawAg said:

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With Tatum's injury, do we think the Celtics blow it up?

Any chance we try to get White back?

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Outside chance they try to deal Brown. Much stronger chance they deal Jrue and or Kristaps. Doubt they try to deal White though. I'm not a cap expert, but their current "core"/top 5 players already has them over the 2nd apron, and repeat violator. 198m just with those 5. 2nd apron is projected at 188m I believe. They need to fill out the rest of the roster. And being over that 2nd apron makes the salaries they take back really tricky so they have to do something, and they'll get somewhat of a pass next season with Tatum out most of it

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Their big problem is that extension they gave Jrue. I love Jrue, but he turns 35 before the draft and they are on the hook for 3y104M. He put up 11/4/4 on 44/35 this year. For 21% of the cap.

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Guitarsoup said:

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Rasheer Fleming’s boasts a unique combination of functional athleticism, defensive instincts & spacing upside.

By blending playstyle & physical comparison tools, we can approximate how he might translate to the NBA.

These comps profile him as the IDEAL versatile stretch 4. pic.twitter.com/W2r4HtJb72

— #InSnyderWeTrust (@dlee4three) May 13, 2025

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I spent a little time today watching some clips of Fleming and the only concern I have for him is how well does he move his feet on the perimeter? He was the biggest guy on his team and they usually played drop coverage against pick and rolls, so there weren't a ton clips of him guarding 1 on 1 against smaller wings/guards. His length, and activity makes him a weak side shot blocking menace and he's very disruptive getting tips in passing lanes.

Offensively, is his 3 point shot for real or an aberration? He shot ~40% this season but was under 33% his first two seasons. If you believe he's going to be above league average from 3, then he's an unbelievable roll player. If he's gone be closer to the low 30s, then he's Jeremy Sochan without the ability to occasionally push the ball.

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His shot showed improvement each year and I think a heavy part of his threes were from the corner.

He cannot create his own shot and really will be a screener/roller and set shot guy only.

He moves his feet incredibly well and had really impressive numbers at the combine today. He also has an ungodly +9 wingspan - body wise he is a taller, longer Kawhi. Kawhi was 6'6 with 7'3 wingspan. This guy is almost 6'9 with 7'6 wingspan.

More like Bowen, you are never going to rely on him to dribble or create. He's there for easy buckets and defense only. But I think he could be a 14/9 guy on 55/38 shooting that only takes easy shots and stays out of the way. His assist to turnover was bad, but his turnovers weren't bad at just 1.8 per 36.

Defensively, I think he will do well. He does have very nice lateral speed and has a 7'6" wingspan - again talking about 3" longer wingspan than Kawhi here. He's going to be a PF D&3 guy that mostly stretches defenses and gets out of the way. But his size and quickness should keep teams from wanting to switch on him.

Rasheer Fleming takes over the fastest shuttle run time here at the 2025 NBA Draft Combine.

Really impressive mark at 2.72 seconds. pic.twitter.com/QDZI659WD5

— Jon Chepkevich (@JonChep) May 13, 2025

Think about this, we could trot out a get a stop line up of Wemby, Fleming, Sochan, Castle, Harper and the shortest guy on the court has Kobe's height and wingspan.

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I'm well aware of his freakish size, and if he tested well on his agility drills then that will help with the belief that he's switchable on the perimeter. Just didn't see a whole lot of it on film, so I wasn't sure.

On his shooting I'd like to know if he changed his form or something, because we was also a sub 70% free throw shooter his first two seasons before seeing a jump this year, like his 3 pt %. So it's not like he had the mechanics and touch and it finally translates to shooting from range. If the improvement is for real, he's a no brainer at 14 and immediately has a role as a stretch forward that can be a real difference maker on the defensive end. If the shooting was just a one year jump and he's really closer to his previous percentages, he's worth maybe a late first round pick.

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West Texan said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Rasheer Fleming’s boasts a unique combination of functional athleticism, defensive instincts & spacing upside.

By blending playstyle & physical comparison tools, we can approximate how he might translate to the NBA.

These comps profile him as the IDEAL versatile stretch 4. pic.twitter.com/W2r4HtJb72

— #InSnyderWeTrust (@dlee4three) May 13, 2025

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I spent a little time today watching some clips of Fleming and the only concern I have for him is how well does he move his feet on the perimeter? He was the biggest guy on his team and they usually played drop coverage against pick and rolls, so there weren't a ton clips of him guarding 1 on 1 against smaller wings/guards. His length, and activity makes him a weak side shot blocking menace and he's very disruptive getting tips in passing lanes.

Offensively, is his 3 point shot for real or an aberration? He shot ~40% this season but was under 33% his first two seasons. If you believe he's going to be above league average from 3, then he's an unbelievable roll player. If he's gone be closer to the low 30s, then he's Jeremy Sochan without the ability to occasionally push the ball.

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His shot showed improvement each year and I think a heavy part of his threes were from the corner.

He cannot create his own shot and really will be a screener/roller and set shot guy only.

He moves his feet incredibly well and had really impressive numbers at the combine today. He also has an ungodly +9 wingspan - body wise he is a taller, longer Kawhi. Kawhi was 6'6 with 7'3 wingspan. This guy is almost 6'9 with 7'6 wingspan.

More like Bowen, you are never going to rely on him to dribble or create. He's there for easy buckets and defense only. But I think he could be a 14/9 guy on 55/38 shooting that only takes easy shots and stays out of the way. His assist to turnover was bad, but his turnovers weren't bad at just 1.8 per 36.

Defensively, I think he will do well. He does have very nice lateral speed and has a 7'6" wingspan - again talking about 3" longer wingspan than Kawhi here. He's going to be a PF D&3 guy that mostly stretches defenses and gets out of the way. But his size and quickness should keep teams from wanting to switch on him.

Rasheer Fleming takes over the fastest shuttle run time here at the 2025 NBA Draft Combine.

Really impressive mark at 2.72 seconds. pic.twitter.com/QDZI659WD5

— Jon Chepkevich (@JonChep) May 13, 2025

Think about this, we could trot out a get a stop line up of Wemby, Fleming, Sochan, Castle, Harper and the shortest guy on the court has Kobe's height and wingspan.

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I'm well aware of his freakish size, and if he tested well on his agility drills then that will help with the belief that he's switchable on the perimeter. Just didn't see a whole lot of it on film, so I wasn't sure.

On his shooting I'd like to know if he changed his form or something, because we was also a sub 70% free throw shooter his first two seasons before seeing a jump this year, like his 3 pt %. So it's not like he had the mechanics and touch and it finally translates to shooting from range. If the improvement is for real, he's a no brainer at 14 and immediately has a role as a stretch forward that can be a real difference maker on the defensive end. If the shooting was just a one year jump and he's really closer to his previous percentages, he's worth maybe a late first round pick.

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His FT dipped a lot his sophomore year, but was 69% his fish year. Then 74% this year.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/rasheer-fleming-1.html

His 3pt looks more like normal development. .297 -> .324 -> .390.

I don't know much about his first couple seasons there, but I think the mechanics are there to think his shot is real. Some guys take longer to develop.

One of the interesting questions I have is what do the Spurs do if they fall in love with someone like Fleming or Bryant but think they might not last until 14. I'll be interested what it would take to move up to 9 or 10 to ensure they get their guy.

On the other hand, I think it's equally likely that 14 is a trade piece to get a more established guy on the roster and avoid the growing pains of playing rookies.

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One of the interesting questions I have is what do the Spurs do if they fall in love with someone like Fleming or Bryant but think they might not last until 14. I'll be interested what it would take to move up to 9 or 10 to ensure they get their guy.

On the other hand, I think it's equally likely that 14 is a trade piece to get a more established guy on the roster and avoid the growing pains of playing rookies.

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Yeah, I think with the new coach and effectively half a new team since Fox only played a few games I am not sure we are going to do a ton.

I think there are so many upside forwards at 14, that we take one. Bryant, Fleming, Yaxel, Essengue, Clifford, Riley, Coward, etc. If a deal is too good to pass up, then sure we do that. Hey Indiana, you wanna give us Jarace Walker and 23 for 14 and Branham?

I would be shocked to see the Spurs move up in the draft, but if they think they have to, gotta trust El Jefe.

Fix the kid's shot diet and we are going to be killing it.

Rocco Zikarsky shooting on the move 3s at 7-foot-4 in the star shooting drill at the NBA draft combine pic.twitter.com/uxsOoiQWDd

— Jonathan Givony (@DraftExpress) May 13, 2025

Give me Rocco with that 2nd rounder. 7'4, 9'7 standing reach and a smooth (but slow) shot?

Bring the kid in, Nielsen. (Matt Nielsen, our asst coach is an Aussie, too and won 3 NBL championships before coming over here.)

Just spitballing, would you do some sort of trade based around:

Spurs get PJ Washington, Jaden Hardy or Naji Marshall as filler
Mavs get Collin Sexton
Jazz get Vassell, Branham

Works financially, no picks.

Spurs move from SG Vassell to D&3 PJ, but Vassell was on a controlled contract and PJ is on an ending contract.

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Just spitballing, would you do some sort of trade based around:

Spurs get PJ Washington, Jaden Hardy or Naji Marshall as filler
Mavs get Collin Sexton
Jazz get Vassell, Branham

Works financially, no picks.

Spurs move from SG Vassell to D&3 PJ, but Vassell was on a controlled contract and PJ is on an ending contract.

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Pj and Marshall for Devin and Malaki without giving up picks, 100% would do. Just wondering why Utah would do it. Feel like a pick or picks would need to go back their way

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CC09LawAg said:

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With Tatum's injury, do we think the Celtics blow it up?

Any chance we try to get White back?

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Bro we have Dylan Harper, Stephon Castle, DeAaron Fox, and Devin Vassell. Why do we want White in there?

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Geez fellas, just trying to bounce some outside the box ideas around.

I mean, if trade/trades could we worked out that somehow shipped out Vassell and brought in White, I'd have to think that's an upgrade for our guard rotation.

Guess it ultimately depends on how far away the organization thinks we are overall.

I do hope he lands on a contender somehow - he's such a great player. Could maybe be a good leader for a young team like the Magic but I'd love to see him on the Nuggets or something like that to see what he could do in the last years of his career.

I'm wondering if we can get a decent offer in for KD. Maybe something like Dev + KJ + pick 14 + another future first and some seconds. I don't think there are going to be a whole bunch of strong offers for him, being 37, on the last year of his deal, and likely to veto a lot of moves. Would really open up the cap flexibility in 26, turn up the dial on our ability to compete next year, directly open up Devs minutes for Harper, and keep the most important pieces (Fox, Castle, Harper) untouched. Then you run something like:

Vic-KD-Barnes-Castle-Fox

MLE Center- Sochan- Julian - Wesley or FA pickup - Harper