Earth Rider said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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Earth Rider said:

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I would trade Harper for Brandon miller but charlotte doesnt need a pg

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Miller blew out his shooting wrist and doesn't play defense. I'm out on that. Even if it is Miller+4 for Harper and Branham

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Didn't know he blew out his wrist. He had a great shot and length.

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Yeah, tore ligaments, surgery, out for the season before Christmas.

I like the idea of him, but I also don't think he is the two way player we would ideally want.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

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Dylan Harper
Rutgers, Freshman
SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Elite footwork in the paint is a huge plus for any position, but it's a literal game changer for a guard in the playoffs. It means that their effectiveness around the basket isn't dependent on balls-to-the-wall speed, and they can continue to generate quality possessions when the game slows way down and becomes a half-court battle. Harper has that kind of footwork, along with terrific positional size and an ability to guard multiple positions. He might not play with San Antonio's first unit right away, given that the team just traded for De'Aaron Fox at the deadline, but his size will allow him to play next to any combination of Fox, Stephon Castle, or Devin Vassell. Ultimately, taking Harper is the smart asset play. Large lead handlers, with the upside to be an offensive hub, are pretty favorable square-one players for any team that might be looking to start over.

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Danny Wolf
Michigan, Junior
SAN ANTONIO SPURS
The more unsavory parts of Wolf's gameturnovers, inconsistent shooting, meh-to-OK defensive upsideare a big reason why I think his responsibilities will need to be compressed into a smaller role in the NBA. But the length and athleticism of the Spurs should do a lot to protect him while allowing his polish as a lob thrower and feathery slinger of skip passes to shine. I also think he's a better shooter than many make him out to be, so he should form a nice synergy with Victor Wembanyama and give him opportunities to toggle between driving the ball and operating in the mid-post. Wolf has his minuses, but his overall feel for the game should allow him to stay on the floor.

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Also for those worried about the overlap of Fox, Castle, and Harper, the Celtics frequently play 2 of Derrick White, Jrue Holiday, and Oayton Pritchard together (sometimes all 3). You can never have too many ball handlers.

West Texan said:

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Also for those worried about the overlap of Fox, Castle, and Harper, the Celtics frequently play 2 of Derrick White, Jrue Holiday, and Oayton Pritchard together (sometimes all 3). You can never have too many ball handlers.

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I think we will need all of the superstars we can get to beat the thunder. The more i think about it the more i think we keep Harper. You don't trade a player with his ceiling unless it is in a package for someone like Coop. And Dallas won't trade Coop.

Harper will replace Fox in four years also.

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https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft

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Dylan Harper
Rutgers, Freshman
SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Elite footwork in the paint is a huge plus for any position, but it's a literal game changer for a guard in the playoffs. It means that their effectiveness around the basket isn't dependent on balls-to-the-wall speed, and they can continue to generate quality possessions when the game slows way down and becomes a half-court battle. Harper has that kind of footwork, along with terrific positional size and an ability to guard multiple positions. He might not play with San Antonio's first unit right away, given that the team just traded for De'Aaron Fox at the deadline, but his size will allow him to play next to any combination of Fox, Stephon Castle, or Devin Vassell. Ultimately, taking Harper is the smart asset play. Large lead handlers, with the upside to be an offensive hub, are pretty favorable square-one players for any team that might be looking to start over.

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Danny Wolf
Michigan, Junior
SAN ANTONIO SPURS
The more unsavory parts of Wolf's gameturnovers, inconsistent shooting, meh-to-OK defensive upsideare a big reason why I think his responsibilities will need to be compressed into a smaller role in the NBA. But the length and athleticism of the Spurs should do a lot to protect him while allowing his polish as a lob thrower and feathery slinger of skip passes to shine. I also think he's a better shooter than many make him out to be, so he should form a nice synergy with Victor Wembanyama and give him opportunities to toggle between driving the ball and operating in the mid-post. Wolf has his minuses, but his overall feel for the game should allow him to stay on the floor.

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Do not think Wolf is a lottery pick and I sure as hell don't think he is better than Sorber.

Earth Rider said:

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West Texan said:

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Also for those worried about the overlap of Fox, Castle, and Harper, the Celtics frequently play 2 of Derrick White, Jrue Holiday, and Oayton Pritchard together (sometimes all 3). You can never have too many ball handlers.

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I think we will need all of the superstars we can get to beat the thunder. The more i think about it the more i think we keep Harper. You don't trade a player with his ceiling unless it is in a package for someone like Coop. And Dallas won't trade Coop.

Harper will replace Fox in four years also.

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Looking at OKC is smart. The more guys we have that can attack them, the better.

Guitarsoup said:

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Would you do:

Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham

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Nope

My concern is a torn right Achilles tendon for Jayson Tatum.

Pushed off, leg gave out, immediately grabbed, writhing in pain.

Couldn’t bear any weight on it and needed to be wheelchaired off.

Other injuries (ankle sprain, fracture) are possible but unlikely.

SMH pic.twitter.com/ipBkSNYFsg

— Jesse Morse, M.D. (@DrJesseMorse) May 13, 2025

Being able to mix and match Harper, Castle, and Fox is the way.

First time checking in here, you have to take Dylan Harper, he's got the bbiq and body to be our lead playmaker for 15 years.

We've talked about Stephon Castle as our version of Jimmy Butler so I think short term you go with

Fox
Harper
Castle
Insert upgrade here
Wemby

And this lineup can win. You take Fleming or Bryant 14 to be on the bench and now we have to work over some assets to find that stretch 4 to put next to Wemby.

Bench is Keldon, Barnes Sochan for a super high energy unit

I'd kick the tires on everyone and shop Vassell + picks. Find a team in cap hell and rescue them from it.

Also unrelated but Tatum just tore his Achilles tendon making Boston's future really murky.

And Boston is in crazy, crazy cap hell. Kornet is a FA and if he gets a 10M offer this summer, it costs them 90M in luxury tax to keep him. Doesn't factor in what Al Hortford will get.

Prozingus may be on the block.

We have their 2028 pick, btw.

Talk about a team who can't shoot the ball.

Think you keep 2 and take Harper

But, Spurs have ability to put together a package of assets for the right established star if they wanted to go that route

I'd rather trust your front office and keep adding high lotto picks to build cast around Wemby

Maybe do secondary trade as needed to round out lineup

Good problem to have

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And Boston is in crazy, crazy cap hell. Kornet is a FA and if he gets a 10M offer this summer, it costs them 90M in luxury tax to keep him. Doesn't factor in what Al Hortford will get.

Prozingus may be on the block.

We have their 2028 pick, btw.

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They almost assuredly have to trade Porzingis and if I'm the Spurs I'd kick the tires there. Gives you good length and rim protection.

Barnes for Porzingis straight up who says no? It saves them crap tons of money but gets them a shooter and it's only a one year commitment on our end.

We'd need to shed some money but I think we could make it work.

Boston might have to punt on next year and try and reset their cap situation.

Looks like I'm in the minority here but I'm in on trading for Giannis.
You can have a prospect with high upside or a 2 time MVP.
Imagine if someone told you, you could have Tim Duncan at 30 years old. Are you going to turn it down?
A front court of Victor and Giannis with Fox and Castle would be lethal.

AggieEP said:

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Guitarsoup said:

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And Boston is in crazy, crazy cap hell. Kornet is a FA and if he gets a 10M offer this summer, it costs them 90M in luxury tax to keep him. Doesn't factor in what Al Hortford will get.

Prozingus may be on the block.

We have their 2028 pick, btw.

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They almost assuredly have to trade Porzingis and if I'm the Spurs I'd kick the tires there. Gives you good length and rim protection.

Barnes for Porzingis straight up who says no? It saves them crap tons of money but gets them a shooter and it's only a one year commitment on our end.

We'd need to shed some money but I think we could make it work.

Boston might have to punt on next year and try and reset their cap situation.

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Gotta add Branham to make it work, but Boston would save tons with the 6.7M cut off.

But Kristaps can't stay on the court. 42 games this year. Barnes is an iron man.

Definitely kick the tires... but I don't know that I see something happening.

#2 plus Johnson or Vassell to Utah for Markannen and the #5?

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Looks like I'm in the minority here but I'm in on trading for Giannis.
You can have a prospect with high upside or a 2 time MVP.
Imagine if someone told you, you could have Tim Duncan at 30 years old. Are you going to turn it down?
A front court of Victor and Giannis with Fox and Castle would be lethal.

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Duncan's career aged better than I think Giannis' career will because Duncan was reliant on fundamentals and not athleticism. Giannis is reliant on athleticism. Duncan was also a rim protector, but Giannis is not. And we don't want him to be because we already have the best rim protector in the league.

Giannis will continue to be a top 3 player in the league for the next 2-3 years barring injury, but I think he will fall off very quickly once his athleticism starts to disappear. He won't age as well as Tim, Durant, Bron, etc.

jteagle said:

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Looks like I'm in the minority here but I'm in on trading for Giannis.
You can have a prospect with high upside or a 2 time MVP.
Imagine if someone told you, you could have Tim Duncan at 30 years old. Are you going to turn it down?
A front court of Victor and Giannis with Fox and Castle would be lethal.

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Rookie Russell Westbrook for 30 year old Timmy? I am taking Russ there.

I think you need to do more research. Tre Johnson is not a number two pick.

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#2 plus Johnson or Vassell to Utah for Markannen and the #5?

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Lauri got a massive 30% contract and was injured yet again this year. Only 1 of last 7 seasons over 61 games and has never played 70 games in a season. Shot just 42/34 this year and had just 19ppg and 5.9rpg.

I'm passing on Lauri.

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Earth Rider said:

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I would trade Harper for Brandon miller but charlotte doesnt need a pg

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I would probably look to trade 2. Even if it means trading down a couple spots. I still haven't done a ton of research on the Rutgers guys but I think I prefer Tre Johnson over Bailey if I am being completely honest.

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Tre Johnson is LaMelo Ball levels of defense.

Ace Bailey might be Cameron Johnson with less BBIQ.

Regardless if we keep the pick and take Harper or make a trade for Giannis, we have to add some shooting. I'm not smart enough to anticipate what kind of contracts these guys would potentially get, but here's a list of shooters that will be free agents we could possibly target.

Malik Beasley- had a really good year for Detroit, that may bring him back.

Nickeil Alexander-Walker- I like him as a 3 and D candidate. Won't need the ball in his hands and has shot 38%+ the last 3 seasons

Luke Kennard- unbelievable shooter, not much of a defender.

Gary Trent Jr- career 39% from 3. Not a great defender, but better than Kennard.

Santi Aldama- stretch big, shot 36% this season.

Ty Jerome- came out of no where this year and will probably be too expensive.

May have missed some guys, but we'll have plenty of on ball creation. Just need space to let those guys work.

I love Giannis, but the issue is the price both in assets and cap space.

Milwaukee can't trade him unless the deal is lucrative. This isn't going to be a Luka situation where you get him for cheap. He's the 2nd best basketball player in the world and is going to require you to give up real assets to require. And then you have to pay him 60 million a year. Max players are great to have because they are great, but they also suck because it locks up your flexibility to improve the team around them.

The Tim Duncan analogy doesn't work because the cap rules were different back then.

Fox, Castle, Giannis Wemby sounds great, but the moment we extend Wemby on a max deal we have zero flexibility.

Fox 50 million
Giannis 60 mil
Wemby 35 mil

That's why you hear Guitar talking about transitioning with Fox for 4 years while we have Harper and Castle for relative bargains.

Fox 50 mil
Harper 12 mil
Castle 10 mil

Still allows you flexibility.to build out the rest of the roster even after we give Wemby a max rookie scale extension.

jteagle said:

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Looks like I'm in the minority here but I'm in on trading for Giannis.
You can have a prospect with high upside or a 2 time MVP.
Imagine if someone told you, you could have Tim Duncan at 30 years old. Are you going to turn it down?
A front court of Victor and Giannis with Fox and Castle would be lethal.

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I would be more open to it if Giannis had a better shot. We need to stretch the floor.

Unfortunately, even if we draft Harper we haven't done much to stretch the floor. But we will have a long-term franchise player and someone to replace Fox in four years.

We need size and a 4 that can shoot, but you don't turn down Harper. Sorber is a good pick.

now that we have harper, we will have both Castle and Vassel to play the three. I don't think we take Carter Bryant. Fleming, Essengue, Sorber I would be happy with at 14.

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jteagle said:

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Looks like I'm in the minority here but I'm in on trading for Giannis.
You can have a prospect with high upside or a 2 time MVP.
Imagine if someone told you, you could have Tim Duncan at 30 years old. Are you going to turn it down?
A front court of Victor and Giannis with Fox and Castle would be lethal.

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Rookie Russell Westbrook for 30 year old Timmy? I am taking Russ there.

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And what has Russ ever won? Timmy won two rings after 30.
Good decision there.

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jteagle said:

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Looks like I'm in the minority here but I'm in on trading for Giannis.
You can have a prospect with high upside or a 2 time MVP.
Imagine if someone told you, you could have Tim Duncan at 30 years old. Are you going to turn it down?
A front court of Victor and Giannis with Fox and Castle would be lethal.

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Rookie Russell Westbrook for 30 year old Timmy? I am taking Russ there.

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Lol, Westbrook plays with great energy but he was also the best defense other teams had to stop young KD.

In principle I understand your argument here, but Russ is a bad example.

jteagle said:

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jteagle said:

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Looks like I'm in the minority here but I'm in on trading for Giannis.
You can have a prospect with high upside or a 2 time MVP.
Imagine if someone told you, you could have Tim Duncan at 30 years old. Are you going to turn it down?
A front court of Victor and Giannis with Fox and Castle would be lethal.

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Rookie Russell Westbrook for 30 year old Timmy? I am taking Russ there.

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And what has Russ ever won? Timmy won two rings after 30.
Good decision there.

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Timmy was not winning that much after that 07 ring. Some of yall forget how bad he looked before he lost weight and reinvented himself a bit in those later years with very managed time. He wasn't our best player in those 13-14 battles against Bron.

I love Tim the person, that goes without saying. He's our GOAT. But if I am any team and it's about 08-09 amd you give me the choice of 19-20 year old Westbrook vs Duncan then you are going to look bad if you pick Duncan to build around there.

I am mainly picking Westbrook because Harper reminds me a bit of his game. I think he can probably be that at a minimum.

Thats fair enough but Timmy dropped off a lot around 30.

West Texan said:

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Regardless if we keep the pick and take Harper or make a trade for Giannis, we have to add some shooting. I'm not smart enough to anticipate what kind of contracts these guys would potentially get, but here's a list of shooters that will be free agents we could possibly target.

Malik Beasley- had a really good year for Detroit, that may bring him back.

Nickeil Alexander-Walker- I like him as a 3 and D candidate. Won't need the ball in his hands and has shot 38%+ the last 3 seasons

Luke Kennard- unbelievable shooter, not much of a defender.

Gary Trent Jr- career 39% from 3. Not a great defender, but better than Kennard.

Santi Aldama- stretch big, shot 36% this season.

Ty Jerome- came out of no where this year and will probably be too expensive.

May have missed some guys, but we'll have plenty of on ball creation. Just need space to let those guys work.

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We have the MLE and the Bi-Annual Exception. We need shooting, but if we don't use 14 on a center, we need a backup center more than adding a shooter.

We really need forwards that can shoot and rebound.

I like Santi, but I think Memphis is going to bring him back.

Like you said, Jerome will be too expensive and he is a PG, which we dont need.


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I think we use most or all of the MLE on a backup center. Steven Adams, Luke Kornet, Brook Lopez, Clint Capela, Kevon Looney.

Then use BAE on the shooter. I like the idea of Yabusale with the BAE. Small ball center but mainly stretch PF. Shot 50/38 this year, good passer, ok rebounder. Plays well with Wemby.

Pick Carter Bryant, Rasheer Fleming, Noa Essengue at 14. Pick Raynaud or Kalkbrenner at 38.

Wemby / Kornet / Kalkbrenner
Barnes / Sochan / Yabusele
Castle / Keldon / Bryant
Vassell / Julian / Branham
Fox / Harper / Wesley

You think teams are mad at us now, wait until we get top 4 picks next year and the following year with the Hawks pick.

Guitarsoup said:

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West Texan said:

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Regardless if we keep the pick and take Harper or make a trade for Giannis, we have to add some shooting. I'm not smart enough to anticipate what kind of contracts these guys would potentially get, but here's a list of shooters that will be free agents we could possibly target.

Malik Beasley- had a really good year for Detroit, that may bring him back.

Nickeil Alexander-Walker- I like him as a 3 and D candidate. Won't need the ball in his hands and has shot 38%+ the last 3 seasons

Luke Kennard- unbelievable shooter, not much of a defender.

Gary Trent Jr- career 39% from 3. Not a great defender, but better than Kennard.

Santi Aldama- stretch big, shot 36% this season.

Ty Jerome- came out of no where this year and will probably be too expensive.

May have missed some guys, but we'll have plenty of on ball creation. Just need space to let those guys work.

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We have the MLE and the Bi-Annual Exception. We need shooting, but if we don't use 14 on a center, we need a backup center more than adding a shooter.

We really need forwards that can shoot and rebound.

I like Santi, but I think Memphis is going to bring him back.

Like you said, Jerome will be too expensive and he is a PG, which we dont need.


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I think we use most or all of the MLE on a backup center. Steven Adams, Luke Kornet, Brook Lopez, Clint Capela, Kevon Looney.

Then use BAE on the shooter. I like the idea of Yabusale with the BAE. Small ball center but mainly stretch PF. Shot 50/38 this year, good passer, ok rebounder. Plays well with Wemby.

Pick Carter Bryant, Rasheer Fleming, Noa Essengue at 14. Pick Raynaud or Kalkbrenner at 38.

Wemby / Kornet / Kalkbrenner
Barnes / Sochan / Yabusele
Castle / Keldon / Bryant
Vassell / Julian / Branham
Fox / Harper / Wesley

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This is the way.

Guitarsoup said:

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You think teams are mad at us now, wait until we get top 4 picks next year and the following year with the Hawks pick.

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Trae Young 's fragile achilles is all that stands in our way of another 20 year run of utter domination.

Also, I am calling it now that Atlanta's pick at 13 is out of the league in 10 years and our pick at 14 is a starter.

Hmmm, add Harper to Wemby Castle Fox.

Also have mid 1st round pick at 14 this year and then 3 1st rounders I think in 2026 and 2027 drafts

Have guys like Vassell and Johnson for the supporting cast

I'd rather stay younger, keep adding elite talent via draft. Also helps with cap management as mentioned above.

Tempting to think about Giannis being added to Wemby Castle Fox, but what else other than the #2 would you have to give up?

BadAggie said:

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Hmmm, add Harper to Wemby Castle Fox.

Also have mid 1st round pick at 14 this year and then 3 1st rounders I think in 2026 and 2027 drafts

Have guys like Vassell and Johnson for the supporting cast

I'd rather stay younger, keep adding elite talent via draft. Also helps with cap management as mentioned above.

Tempting to think about Giannis being added to Wemby Castle Fox, but what else other than the #2 would you have to give up?

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Milwaukee doesn't control their own picks, so they are going to want players that can keep them in the playoffs now.

I don't think #2+Castle+Vassell+Barnes is enough for them and I think it is too much for us.