***********2024-2025 San Antonio Spurs Thread********************

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West Texan
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Guitarsoup said:

Would you do:

Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham


No. I like Trey, but he's not worth the value of Harper right now.
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Guitarsoup said:

Would you do:

Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham
Murphy is a better shooter than Harper. I probably would. Guaranteed 20 ppg and we need a shooter.

But we nay regret it when Harper develops.he could be a superstar.
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Earth Rider said:

Guitarsoup said:

Would you do:

Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham
Murphy is a better shooter than Harper. I probably would. Guaranteed 20 ppg and we need a shooter.

But we nay regret it when Harper develops.he could be a superstar.
That's the problem. I think Harper will be a star. Cade with defense?

It's kind of Murphy+Kon for Harper and dumping Keldon's contract.

I like Harper a lot, so I think that is still maybe not enough.

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Guitarsoup said:

Would you do:

Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham

This would make me think. I think it depends on who's available at 7. Spurs have a lot of needs still. We need shooting wings who can play D. This trade would build out our team better. Even if we drafted Flagg, we are still missing shooting and bigs.
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But nah. You keep the guy who you think is gonna be a star and figure it out later.

Edit: Also Murphy's injury history scares me.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Guitarsoup said:

Would you do:

Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham

This would make me think. I think it depends on who's available at 7. Spurs have a lot of needs still. We need shooting wings who can play D. This trade would build out our team better. Even if we drafted Flagg, we are still missing shooting and bigs.
Assume it is Kon.


1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Bailey
4. VJ
5. Tre
6. Fears
7.

Wemby / MLE or Sorber
Barnes / Sochan
Murphy / Kon
Castle / Vassell
Fox / Paul
West Texan
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Guitarsoup said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Guitarsoup said:

Would you do:

Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham

This would make me think. I think it depends on who's available at 7. Spurs have a lot of needs still. We need shooting wings who can play D. This trade would build out our team better. Even if we drafted Flagg, we are still missing shooting and bigs.
Assume it is Kon.


1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Bailey
4. VJ
5. Tre
6. Fears
7.

Wemby / MLE or Sorber
Barnes / Sochan
Murphy / Kon
Castle / Vassell
Fox / Paul


Murphy makes you a better team right now because of his positional fit. I think Harper has all star potential and long term his fit next to Wemby is going to be incredible, and I think he's going to fit next to Fox just fine. The only trade I make for #2 either gets us Flagg (come on Nico) or a star like Giannis.
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it also ends there
Enzo The Baker
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AA said:


it also ends there

lol GTFOH. 26 year old Giannis maybe.

If we had a well built team, I'd consider trading for Giannis at 31. But we don't, and aren't that close tbh. And that doesn't consider having to deplete are team along the way.

Let's build this thing organically.
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NBA is so rigged lol. They must be really hurting to do it this obvious. Insane.

At least were on the good side of it, I guess. I think Giannis ends up in SA now. Just seems like the NBA is setting it up and they have already showed what they are capable of.
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West Texan said:

Guitarsoup said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Guitarsoup said:

Would you do:

Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham

This would make me think. I think it depends on who's available at 7. Spurs have a lot of needs still. We need shooting wings who can play D. This trade would build out our team better. Even if we drafted Flagg, we are still missing shooting and bigs.
Assume it is Kon.


1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Bailey
4. VJ
5. Tre
6. Fears
7.

Wemby / MLE or Sorber
Barnes / Sochan
Murphy / Kon
Castle / Vassell
Fox / Paul


Murphy makes you a better team right now because of his positional fit. I think Harper has all star potential and long term his fit next to Wemby is going to be incredible, and I think he's going to fit next to Fox just fine. The only trade I make for #2 either gets us Flagg (come on Nico) or a star like Giannis.
I would not do Giannis just due to age. 12 year difference with him and Harper.

And I do agree I think that Harper will be a legit star and that is what gives me concern there.

Not sure what other forwards you would consider.

Evan Mobley just earned a Supermax. Doubt Houston would want to move Amen.

Orlando need a PG, so Franz Wagner? He can't shoot well and is starting a 25% max contract. But elite two-way guy.
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DANManman said:

We (Mavs) got #1 BECAUSE of the "debacle." The franchise took one for the NBA, and they're trying to make up for it. First time moving up EVER, with 1% chance, allegedly. Yeah, sure.

this
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The other thing to think about, worst case scenario, what if Wemby's health issues is recurring? I don't think we are at a point where we can bet the farm. Hard pass on Giannis. I talked myself out of it.
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Wemby's window is definitely not going to be some long-term thing. I would hope everyone understands that. That's the whole point in getting Giannis. He opens the window this year.
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Cooper Flagg at 45 seconds visibly sad to not go to the Spurs.
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TyHolden said:

DANManman said:

We (Mavs) got #1 BECAUSE of the "debacle." The franchise took one for the NBA, and they're trying to make up for it. First time moving up EVER, with 1% chance, allegedly. Yeah, sure.

this


Zero doubt this was rigged and they moving to Vegas to complete the transaction
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#2 to Philly for #3 and Lonnie Walker, who says no?
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Sher Thing said:

Wemby's window is definitely not going to be some long-term thing. I would hope everyone understands that. That's the whole point in getting Giannis. He opens the window this year.

But in the West, is it really a window? We don't even know what the team will look like. The only definite roster would be Giannis, Wemby and Fox.

And you give up 3 picks plus number 2 this year. I think it's incredibly short sighted.
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Guitarsoup said:

West Texan said:

Guitarsoup said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Guitarsoup said:

Would you do:

Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham

This would make me think. I think it depends on who's available at 7. Spurs have a lot of needs still. We need shooting wings who can play D. This trade would build out our team better. Even if we drafted Flagg, we are still missing shooting and bigs.
Assume it is Kon.


1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Bailey
4. VJ
5. Tre
6. Fears
7.

Wemby / MLE or Sorber
Barnes / Sochan
Murphy / Kon
Castle / Vassell
Fox / Paul


Murphy makes you a better team right now because of his positional fit. I think Harper has all star potential and long term his fit next to Wemby is going to be incredible, and I think he's going to fit next to Fox just fine. The only trade I make for #2 either gets us Flagg (come on Nico) or a star like Giannis.
I would not do Giannis just due to age. 12 year difference with him and Harper.

And I do agree I think that Harper will be a legit star and that is what gives me concern there.

Not sure what other forwards you would consider.

Evan Mobley just earned a Supermax. Doubt Houston would want to move Amen.

Orlando need a PG, so Franz Wagner? He can't shoot well and is starting a 25% max contract. But elite two-way guy.


We've already talked about (and will continue to, most likely) the weirdness of the timeline with Giannis. Mostly I meant it needs to be a return of a player of that caliber, not trey Murphy who's ceiling is probably Khris Middleton.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Sher Thing said:

Wemby's window is definitely not going to be some long-term thing. I would hope everyone understands that. That's the whole point in getting Giannis. He opens the window this year.

But in the West, is it really a window? We don't even know what the team will look like. The only definite roster would be Giannis, Wemby and Fox.
I don't think the package would be nearly as drastic as some of those rumors. The Spurs have zero intention of trading Castle and if Giannis lets it be known that he wants to be in SA which I predict will ultimately come out, I think the Spurs may be able to get him for a package like #2 overall, other significant draft compensation, Keldon and Vassell. Just seems like the NBA is setting it up and this whole thing is obviously rigged.
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Guitarsoup said:

#2 to Philly for #3 and Lonnie Walker, who says no?


Thought about this wondering if they'd give us Yabusele to swap #2 and #3. Then i thought of swinging #3, #14 and whatever cap filler to MIL for Giannis.
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Sher Thing said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Sher Thing said:

Wemby's window is definitely not going to be some long-term thing. I would hope everyone understands that. That's the whole point in getting Giannis. He opens the window this year.

But in the West, is it really a window? We don't even know what the team will look like. The only definite roster would be Giannis, Wemby and Fox.
I don't think the package would be nearly as drastic as some of those rumors. The Spurs have zero intention of trading Castle and if Giannis lets it be known that he wants to be in SA which I predict will ultimately come out, I think the Spurs may be able to get him for a package like #2 overall, other significant draft compensation, Keldon and Vassell. Just seems like the NBA is setting it up and this whole thing is obviously rigged.


That's still way too much. If you give away Devin and all the future picks you damn sure better not part with this year's #2. That's nuts. #2 players are typically all star caliber.

If you do give up #2 that is the only first round pick compensation you should offer up.

All our pick swaps still look juicy long term even though the Dallas one took a hit today.
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Dylan Harper, PG/SG, Rutgers
Freshman
| TS%: 59.3

Scouting report:
Harper did his best to keep the No. 1 pick conversation interesting for parts of the season with his skill level, shot creation and scoring prowess. He also can get to where he wants on the floor while demonstrating strong passing ability.

The physical nature of the NBA playoffs has emphasized why a sturdy playmaker of Harper's type can be so valuable, with his ability to finish through contact and draw fouls a major part of his appeal, along with the way he fills up the box score with an excellent feel for the game. -- Givony
NBA intel and fit: The Spurs were already in as enviable a position as any team in the lottery, with two picks in the top 14 to bolster a roster that already features back-to-back NBA Rookie of the Year winners in Victor Wembanyama and Stephon Castle, and now jump from 8 to 2 in the draft lottery in a massive stroke of good fortune.

While Harper's fit alongside De'Aaron Fox and Castle looks far from seamless, it would be very surprising to see their forward-thinking front office pass on Harper here, who is widely considered the second best prospect in the draft after Flagg. This opens up an opportunity for a team with a bigger need for a primary shot-creator to make a move to trade up to this pick and perhaps convey to San Antonio added shooting, which their roster sorely needs to surround Wembanyama. -- Givony

Carter Bryant, SF/PF, Arizona

Freshman
| TS%: 59.9

Scouting report:
Bryant is the type of player who could help his standing in the predraft process as teams get a better look at him in workout settings, and he ticks several boxes NBA teams actively seek at his position. He's an easy fit with his desirable combination of size, length, perimeter shooting, passing and defensive versatility, sliding all over the floor for the Wildcats this season and seeing time at both forward positions.
Bryant wasn't consistently productive for Arizona coming off the bench and averaging just 6.5 points per game, as he's not much of a shot creator and has room to grow on both ends of the floor. But he has significant upside to tap into long term. -- Givony

NBA intel and fit:
With its second lottery pick in this draft, it will be interesting to see what San Antonio's appetite is for adding another rookie to an already young roster as the team likely hopes to gear up for a postseason run, nine years removed from its last playoff series win. Which direction the Spurs go with their first selection will likely play a role in what they do here, but the idea of moving one of these picks for more immediate help might appeal to the front office, depending on how the draft unfolds.
If they keep the pick, a young combo forward such as Bryant who can space the floor and guard multiple positions makes a lot of sense. -- Givony


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Mavs swap a little less tasty today.
Sher Thing
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flashplayer said:

Sher Thing said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Sher Thing said:

Wemby's window is definitely not going to be some long-term thing. I would hope everyone understands that. That's the whole point in getting Giannis. He opens the window this year.

But in the West, is it really a window? We don't even know what the team will look like. The only definite roster would be Giannis, Wemby and Fox.
I don't think the package would be nearly as drastic as some of those rumors. The Spurs have zero intention of trading Castle and if Giannis lets it be known that he wants to be in SA which I predict will ultimately come out, I think the Spurs may be able to get him for a package like #2 overall, other significant draft compensation, Keldon and Vassell. Just seems like the NBA is setting it up and this whole thing is obviously rigged.


That's still way too much. If you give away Devin and all the future picks you damn sure better not part with this year's #2. That's nuts. #2 players are typically all star caliber.

If you do give up #2 that is the only first round pick compensation you should offer up.

All our pick swaps still look juicy long term even though the Dallas one took a hit today.
I didn't say all our future picks. This is a top 5 player in the world we are talking about here. Not sure you understand how good of a player he is. Here's the last 15 number two picks:

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I would trade Harper for Brandon miller but charlotte doesnt need a pg
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2. San Antonio Spurs
Dylan Harper | 6-6 guard | 19 years old | Rutgers

Harper was seen as being exceptionally likely to be the No. 2 pick before the lottery. I think that's still the most likely outcome, but San Antonio getting this pick does throw things for a bit of a loop.

The Spurs just acquired De'Aaron Fox at the trade deadline. Additionally, Rookie of the Year Stephon Castle plays a similar role to Harper as a combo guard. Ultimately, I think the Spurs should just take the best talent on the board, and that's Harper. I think he's a better prospect than Castle, and thus, Castle's presence shouldn't stop you from selecting him. On top of that, getting the No. 2 pick may have actually put the Spurs in the driver's seat for a potential superstar trade. I'm not convinced that any team will have a better top asset available for a potential Giannis Antetokounmpo trade than this pick.

Harper's 19.4 points, 4.6 rebounds and four assists per game while shooting 48 percent from the field as a freshman guard put him in rarefied air, as few players have gotten all that close to such marks in their first year. He also creates rim pressure at an elite level, with the ability to get into the paint and finish at the basket at a serious clip with his impressive array of gathers and touch finishes at 6-6 as a lead guard.

The biggest question for Harper remains his pull-up game as a shooter, as he only hit 29.2 percent of his pull-up 3s. I watched Harper work out recently, and it's clear that working as a scorer in ball screens, re-screens and dribble handoffs is a real emphasis for his pre-draft process. He shot the ball well in the workout that I saw. I felt like the ball would sometimes flatten out on him this season at Rutgers, but he's starting to work on getting more consistent arc on the shot off pull-ups. Between that, his physical frame being NBA-ready, and his intel all coming back very positively even in the face of a tough season at Rutgers, Harper is very well-positioned.
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14. San Antonio Spurs (via ATL)
Noa Essengue | 6-9 forward | 18 years old | Ratiopharm Ulm

Essengue is starting to turn things on in France, with multiple 20-point outings over the last month. The 6-9 forward is a terrific athlete who moves exceedingly well for his age. He'll be the second-youngest player in this draft class behind Cooper Flagg and is averaging 12 points, 5.2 rebounds, 1.3 steals and 0.8 blocks per game since Jan. 22.

The questions here are largely around his polish. The jumper is starting to fall, as he's made 35 percent from 3 in that window, but there are real mechanical issues regarding his base and balance that teams think will take a lot of time to work through, despite his solid touch. Additionally, while his defensive playmaking numbers are strong and he's shown improvement throughout the year, his overall impact on that end isn't all that high. He gets beaten more often off the bounce than you'd expect for this level of athleticism, and his help instincts waver. Still, he's a young player clearly coming along well regarding his development. Don't expect Essengue to be a valuable player next year in the NBA, but he could develop in time to be one of the better players in this draft class if he lands with the right organization.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6345850/2025/05/12/nba-mock-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-mavericks/
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Earth Rider said:

I would trade Harper for Brandon miller but charlotte doesnt need a pg
I would probably look to trade 2. Even if it means trading down a couple spots. I still haven't done a ton of research on the Rutgers guys but I think I prefer Tre Johnson over Bailey if I am being completely honest.
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Dylan Harper
  • Guard
  • Rutgers

  • 6' 6"
    Height
    220
    Weight
    FR
    Class
    19
    Age

Team Fit

With Giannis Antetokounmpo searching for his next franchise, the question now will be whether the Spurs trade this pick to land the Greek Freak or not. Harper is a big-bodied lefty combo guard with NBA blood in his veins, as the son of Ron Harper, who was a 20/5/5 guy before winning five titles as a role player. Like his father, Harper has a high-floor with the skill, poise, and playmaking instincts to dictate the game at his pace. He obviously has talent, but the Spurs just traded for De'Aaron Fox and already have Stephon Castle. There's too much overlap with Harper, meaning the Spurs could look to trade down or out.
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Egor Demin
  • Guard
  • BYU

  • 6' 9"
    Height
    190
    Weight
    FR
    Class
    19
    Age

Team Fit
Demin has a rare ability at his size to make dazzling passes. At 6-foot-9, he'd add a unique ingredient to the Spurs' frontcourt. But he's no guarantee to thrive in the NBA. At BYU, Demin struggled to shoot and create his own shot against lengthy defenders, making him more of a love-him or hate-him prospect than a sure thing. But the Spurs already have a primary creator in De'Aaron Fox, so Demin could be worth the risk since he can develop slowly as a creator while leaning into his existing strengths as a cutter, screener, and defender.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/?view=default&board=0&filter=round%3Aall
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Earth Rider said:

I would trade Harper for Brandon miller but charlotte doesnt need a pg
Miller blew out his shooting wrist and doesn't play defense. I'm out on that. Even if it is Miller+4 for Harper and Branham
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We are in an insanely enviable position. I love the idea of Harper and am also on board with a Giannis move. Wemby-Castle-Harper is such a crazy good core. Having 2 defensively versatile triple double machines in the backcourt to help Wemby seems like the bones of a championship team to me. Fox becomes a guy who you can flip for other assets in a couple of years (or maybe now) with little pain.
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LawHall88 said:

Quote:

Dylan Harper
  • Guard
  • Rutgers

  • 6' 6"
    Height
    220
    Weight
    FR
    Class
    19
    Age

Team Fit

With Giannis Antetokounmpo searching for his next franchise, the question now will be whether the Spurs trade this pick to land the Greek Freak or not. Harper is a big-bodied lefty combo guard with NBA blood in his veins, as the son of Ron Harper, who was a 20/5/5 guy before winning five titles as a role player. Like his father, Harper has a high-floor with the skill, poise, and playmaking instincts to dictate the game at his pace. He obviously has talent, but the Spurs just traded for De'Aaron Fox and already have Stephon Castle. There's too much overlap with Harper, meaning the Spurs could look to trade down or out.
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Egor Demin
  • Guard
  • BYU

  • 6' 9"
    Height
    190
    Weight
    FR
    Class
    19
    Age

Team Fit
Demin has a rare ability at his size to make dazzling passes. At 6-foot-9, he'd add a unique ingredient to the Spurs' frontcourt. But he's no guarantee to thrive in the NBA. At BYU, Demin struggled to shoot and create his own shot against lengthy defenders, making him more of a love-him or hate-him prospect than a sure thing. But the Spurs already have a primary creator in De'Aaron Fox, so Demin could be worth the risk since he can develop slowly as a creator while leaning into his existing strengths as a cutter, screener, and defender.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/?view=default&board=0&filter=round%3Aall
KOC has this weird boner for Demin and it's awful. He can be a passer, but he is an awful shooter and awful defender and he gets blown over by a stiff breeze.

Taking a guard at 14 after Harper at 2 makes less than no sense, especially a guard that shoots poorly, rebounds poorly, doesn't play defense, and turns it over bigly.
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Quote:

2. San Antonio Spurs
Dylan Harper | 6-6 guard | 19 years old | Rutgers

Harper was seen as being exceptionally likely to be the No. 2 pick before the lottery. I think that's still the most likely outcome, but San Antonio getting this pick does throw things for a bit of a loop.

The Spurs just acquired De'Aaron Fox at the trade deadline. Additionally, Rookie of the Year Stephon Castle plays a similar role to Harper as a combo guard. Ultimately, I think the Spurs should just take the best talent on the board, and that's Harper. I think he's a better prospect than Castle, and thus, Castle's presence shouldn't stop you from selecting him. On top of that, getting the No. 2 pick may have actually put the Spurs in the driver's seat for a potential superstar trade. I'm not convinced that any team will have a better top asset available for a potential Giannis Antetokounmpo trade than this pick.

Harper's 19.4 points, 4.6 rebounds and four assists per game while shooting 48 percent from the field as a freshman guard put him in rarefied air, as few players have gotten all that close to such marks in their first year. He also creates rim pressure at an elite level, with the ability to get into the paint and finish at the basket at a serious clip with his impressive array of gathers and touch finishes at 6-6 as a lead guard.

The biggest question for Harper remains his pull-up game as a shooter, as he only hit 29.2 percent of his pull-up 3s. I watched Harper work out recently, and it's clear that working as a scorer in ball screens, re-screens and dribble handoffs is a real emphasis for his pre-draft process. He shot the ball well in the workout that I saw. I felt like the ball would sometimes flatten out on him this season at Rutgers, but he's starting to work on getting more consistent arc on the shot off pull-ups. Between that, his physical frame being NBA-ready, and his intel all coming back very positively even in the face of a tough season at Rutgers, Harper is very well-positioned.
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14. San Antonio Spurs (via ATL)
Noa Essengue | 6-9 forward | 18 years old | Ratiopharm Ulm

Essengue is starting to turn things on in France, with multiple 20-point outings over the last month. The 6-9 forward is a terrific athlete who moves exceedingly well for his age. He'll be the second-youngest player in this draft class behind Cooper Flagg and is averaging 12 points, 5.2 rebounds, 1.3 steals and 0.8 blocks per game since Jan. 22.

The questions here are largely around his polish. The jumper is starting to fall, as he's made 35 percent from 3 in that window, but there are real mechanical issues regarding his base and balance that teams think will take a lot of time to work through, despite his solid touch. Additionally, while his defensive playmaking numbers are strong and he's shown improvement throughout the year, his overall impact on that end isn't all that high. He gets beaten more often off the bounce than you'd expect for this level of athleticism, and his help instincts waver. Still, he's a young player clearly coming along well regarding his development. Don't expect Essengue to be a valuable player next year in the NBA, but he could develop in time to be one of the better players in this draft class if he lands with the right organization.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6345850/2025/05/12/nba-mock-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-mavericks/
I'm on board with Essengue there.

I think I am at

Carter Bryant
Rasheer Fleming
Thomas Sorber
Noa Essengue
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Guitarsoup said:

Earth Rider said:

I would trade Harper for Brandon miller but charlotte doesnt need a pg
Miller blew out his shooting wrist and doesn't play defense. I'm out on that. Even if it is Miller+4 for Harper and Branham
Didn't know he blew out his wrist. He had a great shot and length.
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Sher Thing said:

flashplayer said:

Sher Thing said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Sher Thing said:

Wemby's window is definitely not going to be some long-term thing. I would hope everyone understands that. That's the whole point in getting Giannis. He opens the window this year.

But in the West, is it really a window? We don't even know what the team will look like. The only definite roster would be Giannis, Wemby and Fox.
I don't think the package would be nearly as drastic as some of those rumors. The Spurs have zero intention of trading Castle and if Giannis lets it be known that he wants to be in SA which I predict will ultimately come out, I think the Spurs may be able to get him for a package like #2 overall, other significant draft compensation, Keldon and Vassell. Just seems like the NBA is setting it up and this whole thing is obviously rigged.


That's still way too much. If you give away Devin and all the future picks you damn sure better not part with this year's #2. That's nuts. #2 players are typically all star caliber.

If you do give up #2 that is the only first round pick compensation you should offer up.

All our pick swaps still look juicy long term even though the Dallas one took a hit today.
I didn't say all our future picks. This is a top 5 player in the world we are talking about here. Not sure you understand how good of a player he is. Here's the last 15 number two picks:


Not our fault that other teams made awful picks.
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