Guitarsoup said:
Would you do:
Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham
No. I like Trey, but he's not worth the value of Harper right now.
Guitarsoup said:
Would you do:
Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham
Murphy is a better shooter than Harper. I probably would. Guaranteed 20 ppg and we need a shooter.Guitarsoup said:
Would you do:
Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham
That's the problem. I think Harper will be a star. Cade with defense?Earth Rider said:Murphy is a better shooter than Harper. I probably would. Guaranteed 20 ppg and we need a shooter.Guitarsoup said:
Would you do:
Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham
But we nay regret it when Harper develops.he could be a superstar.
The year 1 salary for the 2nd pick will be $12.3 million. The year 1 salary for the 14th pick will be $4.9 million.
— Paul Garcia (TheSpotUpShot.com) (@PaulGarciaNBA) May 13, 2025
This means the Spurs will be $5.9 million over the cap entering the offseason with the $14.1 million NTMLE and $5.1 million BAE.https://t.co/EVl9Vsvtxy
Guitarsoup said:
Would you do:
Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham
Assume it is Kon.Enzo The Baker said:Guitarsoup said:
Would you do:
Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham
This would make me think. I think it depends on who's available at 7. Spurs have a lot of needs still. We need shooting wings who can play D. This trade would build out our team better. Even if we drafted Flagg, we are still missing shooting and bigs.
Guitarsoup said:Assume it is Kon.Enzo The Baker said:Guitarsoup said:
Would you do:
Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham
This would make me think. I think it depends on who's available at 7. Spurs have a lot of needs still. We need shooting wings who can play D. This trade would build out our team better. Even if we drafted Flagg, we are still missing shooting and bigs.
1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Bailey
4. VJ
5. Tre
6. Fears
7.
Wemby / MLE or Sorber
Barnes / Sochan
Murphy / Kon
Castle / Vassell
Fox / Paul
AA said:it also ends there
I would not do Giannis just due to age. 12 year difference with him and Harper.West Texan said:Guitarsoup said:Assume it is Kon.Enzo The Baker said:Guitarsoup said:
Would you do:
Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham
This would make me think. I think it depends on who's available at 7. Spurs have a lot of needs still. We need shooting wings who can play D. This trade would build out our team better. Even if we drafted Flagg, we are still missing shooting and bigs.
1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Bailey
4. VJ
5. Tre
6. Fears
7.
Wemby / MLE or Sorber
Barnes / Sochan
Murphy / Kon
Castle / Vassell
Fox / Paul
Murphy makes you a better team right now because of his positional fit. I think Harper has all star potential and long term his fit next to Wemby is going to be incredible, and I think he's going to fit next to Fox just fine. The only trade I make for #2 either gets us Flagg (come on Nico) or a star like Giannis.
DANManman said:
We (Mavs) got #1 BECAUSE of the "debacle." The franchise took one for the NBA, and they're trying to make up for it. First time moving up EVER, with 1% chance, allegedly. Yeah, sure.
The Dallas Mavericks win the 2025 NBA Draft Lottery/the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes!
— Awful Announcing (@awfulannouncing) May 12, 2025
This will certainly get a whole lot of reaction in the sports world. #NBA #NBADraft pic.twitter.com/ytvF7y7hAg
TyHolden said:DANManman said:
We (Mavs) got #1 BECAUSE of the "debacle." The franchise took one for the NBA, and they're trying to make up for it. First time moving up EVER, with 1% chance, allegedly. Yeah, sure.
this
Sher Thing said:
Wemby's window is definitely not going to be some long-term thing. I would hope everyone understands that. That's the whole point in getting Giannis. He opens the window this year.
Guitarsoup said:I would not do Giannis just due to age. 12 year difference with him and Harper.West Texan said:Guitarsoup said:Assume it is Kon.Enzo The Baker said:Guitarsoup said:
Would you do:
Trey Murphy & #7 for #2, Keldon & Branham
This would make me think. I think it depends on who's available at 7. Spurs have a lot of needs still. We need shooting wings who can play D. This trade would build out our team better. Even if we drafted Flagg, we are still missing shooting and bigs.
1. Flagg
2. Harper
3. Bailey
4. VJ
5. Tre
6. Fears
7.
Wemby / MLE or Sorber
Barnes / Sochan
Murphy / Kon
Castle / Vassell
Fox / Paul
Murphy makes you a better team right now because of his positional fit. I think Harper has all star potential and long term his fit next to Wemby is going to be incredible, and I think he's going to fit next to Fox just fine. The only trade I make for #2 either gets us Flagg (come on Nico) or a star like Giannis.
And I do agree I think that Harper will be a legit star and that is what gives me concern there.
Not sure what other forwards you would consider.
Evan Mobley just earned a Supermax. Doubt Houston would want to move Amen.
Orlando need a PG, so Franz Wagner? He can't shoot well and is starting a 25% max contract. But elite two-way guy.
I don't think the package would be nearly as drastic as some of those rumors. The Spurs have zero intention of trading Castle and if Giannis lets it be known that he wants to be in SA which I predict will ultimately come out, I think the Spurs may be able to get him for a package like #2 overall, other significant draft compensation, Keldon and Vassell. Just seems like the NBA is setting it up and this whole thing is obviously rigged.Enzo The Baker said:Sher Thing said:
Wemby's window is definitely not going to be some long-term thing. I would hope everyone understands that. That's the whole point in getting Giannis. He opens the window this year.
But in the West, is it really a window? We don't even know what the team will look like. The only definite roster would be Giannis, Wemby and Fox.
Guitarsoup said:
#2 to Philly for #3 and Lonnie Walker, who says no?
Sher Thing said:I don't think the package would be nearly as drastic as some of those rumors. The Spurs have zero intention of trading Castle and if Giannis lets it be known that he wants to be in SA which I predict will ultimately come out, I think the Spurs may be able to get him for a package like #2 overall, other significant draft compensation, Keldon and Vassell. Just seems like the NBA is setting it up and this whole thing is obviously rigged.Enzo The Baker said:Sher Thing said:
Wemby's window is definitely not going to be some long-term thing. I would hope everyone understands that. That's the whole point in getting Giannis. He opens the window this year.
But in the West, is it really a window? We don't even know what the team will look like. The only definite roster would be Giannis, Wemby and Fox.
I didn't say all our future picks. This is a top 5 player in the world we are talking about here. Not sure you understand how good of a player he is. Here's the last 15 number two picks:flashplayer said:Sher Thing said:I don't think the package would be nearly as drastic as some of those rumors. The Spurs have zero intention of trading Castle and if Giannis lets it be known that he wants to be in SA which I predict will ultimately come out, I think the Spurs may be able to get him for a package like #2 overall, other significant draft compensation, Keldon and Vassell. Just seems like the NBA is setting it up and this whole thing is obviously rigged.Enzo The Baker said:Sher Thing said:
Wemby's window is definitely not going to be some long-term thing. I would hope everyone understands that. That's the whole point in getting Giannis. He opens the window this year.
But in the West, is it really a window? We don't even know what the team will look like. The only definite roster would be Giannis, Wemby and Fox.
That's still way too much. If you give away Devin and all the future picks you damn sure better not part with this year's #2. That's nuts. #2 players are typically all star caliber.
If you do give up #2 that is the only first round pick compensation you should offer up.
All our pick swaps still look juicy long term even though the Dallas one took a hit today.
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2. San Antonio Spurs
Dylan Harper | 6-6 guard | 19 years old | Rutgers
Harper was seen as being exceptionally likely to be the No. 2 pick before the lottery. I think that's still the most likely outcome, but San Antonio getting this pick does throw things for a bit of a loop.
The Spurs just acquired De'Aaron Fox at the trade deadline. Additionally, Rookie of the Year Stephon Castle plays a similar role to Harper as a combo guard. Ultimately, I think the Spurs should just take the best talent on the board, and that's Harper. I think he's a better prospect than Castle, and thus, Castle's presence shouldn't stop you from selecting him. On top of that, getting the No. 2 pick may have actually put the Spurs in the driver's seat for a potential superstar trade. I'm not convinced that any team will have a better top asset available for a potential Giannis Antetokounmpo trade than this pick.
Harper's 19.4 points, 4.6 rebounds and four assists per game while shooting 48 percent from the field as a freshman guard put him in rarefied air, as few players have gotten all that close to such marks in their first year. He also creates rim pressure at an elite level, with the ability to get into the paint and finish at the basket at a serious clip with his impressive array of gathers and touch finishes at 6-6 as a lead guard.
The biggest question for Harper remains his pull-up game as a shooter, as he only hit 29.2 percent of his pull-up 3s. I watched Harper work out recently, and it's clear that working as a scorer in ball screens, re-screens and dribble handoffs is a real emphasis for his pre-draft process. He shot the ball well in the workout that I saw. I felt like the ball would sometimes flatten out on him this season at Rutgers, but he's starting to work on getting more consistent arc on the shot off pull-ups. Between that, his physical frame being NBA-ready, and his intel all coming back very positively even in the face of a tough season at Rutgers, Harper is very well-positioned.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6345850/2025/05/12/nba-mock-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-mavericks/Quote:
14. San Antonio Spurs (via ATL)
Noa Essengue | 6-9 forward | 18 years old | Ratiopharm Ulm
Essengue is starting to turn things on in France, with multiple 20-point outings over the last month. The 6-9 forward is a terrific athlete who moves exceedingly well for his age. He'll be the second-youngest player in this draft class behind Cooper Flagg and is averaging 12 points, 5.2 rebounds, 1.3 steals and 0.8 blocks per game since Jan. 22.
The questions here are largely around his polish. The jumper is starting to fall, as he's made 35 percent from 3 in that window, but there are real mechanical issues regarding his base and balance that teams think will take a lot of time to work through, despite his solid touch. Additionally, while his defensive playmaking numbers are strong and he's shown improvement throughout the year, his overall impact on that end isn't all that high. He gets beaten more often off the bounce than you'd expect for this level of athleticism, and his help instincts waver. Still, he's a young player clearly coming along well regarding his development. Don't expect Essengue to be a valuable player next year in the NBA, but he could develop in time to be one of the better players in this draft class if he lands with the right organization.
I would probably look to trade 2. Even if it means trading down a couple spots. I still haven't done a ton of research on the Rutgers guys but I think I prefer Tre Johnson over Bailey if I am being completely honest.Earth Rider said:
I would trade Harper for Brandon miller but charlotte doesnt need a pg
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Dylan Harper
- Guard
- Rutgers
- 6' 6"
Height
220
Weight
FR
Class
19
Age
Team Fit
With Giannis Antetokounmpo searching for his next franchise, the question now will be whether the Spurs trade this pick to land the Greek Freak or not. Harper is a big-bodied lefty combo guard with NBA blood in his veins, as the son of Ron Harper, who was a 20/5/5 guy before winning five titles as a role player. Like his father, Harper has a high-floor with the skill, poise, and playmaking instincts to dictate the game at his pace. He obviously has talent, but the Spurs just traded for De'Aaron Fox and already have Stephon Castle. There's too much overlap with Harper, meaning the Spurs could look to trade down or out.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/?view=default&board=0&filter=round%3AallQuote:
Egor Demin
- Guard
- BYU
- 6' 9"
Height
190
Weight
FR
Class
19
Age
Team Fit
Demin has a rare ability at his size to make dazzling passes. At 6-foot-9, he'd add a unique ingredient to the Spurs' frontcourt. But he's no guarantee to thrive in the NBA. At BYU, Demin struggled to shoot and create his own shot against lengthy defenders, making him more of a love-him or hate-him prospect than a sure thing. But the Spurs already have a primary creator in De'Aaron Fox, so Demin could be worth the risk since he can develop slowly as a creator while leaning into his existing strengths as a cutter, screener, and defender.
Miller blew out his shooting wrist and doesn't play defense. I'm out on that. Even if it is Miller+4 for Harper and BranhamEarth Rider said:
I would trade Harper for Brandon miller but charlotte doesnt need a pg
KOC has this weird boner for Demin and it's awful. He can be a passer, but he is an awful shooter and awful defender and he gets blown over by a stiff breeze.LawHall88 said:Quote:
Dylan Harper
- Guard
- Rutgers
- 6' 6"
Height
220
Weight
FR
Class
19
Age
Team Fit
With Giannis Antetokounmpo searching for his next franchise, the question now will be whether the Spurs trade this pick to land the Greek Freak or not. Harper is a big-bodied lefty combo guard with NBA blood in his veins, as the son of Ron Harper, who was a 20/5/5 guy before winning five titles as a role player. Like his father, Harper has a high-floor with the skill, poise, and playmaking instincts to dictate the game at his pace. He obviously has talent, but the Spurs just traded for De'Aaron Fox and already have Stephon Castle. There's too much overlap with Harper, meaning the Spurs could look to trade down or out.https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/draft/?view=default&board=0&filter=round%3AallQuote:
Egor Demin
- Guard
- BYU
- 6' 9"
Height
190
Weight
FR
Class
19
Age
Team Fit
Demin has a rare ability at his size to make dazzling passes. At 6-foot-9, he'd add a unique ingredient to the Spurs' frontcourt. But he's no guarantee to thrive in the NBA. At BYU, Demin struggled to shoot and create his own shot against lengthy defenders, making him more of a love-him or hate-him prospect than a sure thing. But the Spurs already have a primary creator in De'Aaron Fox, so Demin could be worth the risk since he can develop slowly as a creator while leaning into his existing strengths as a cutter, screener, and defender.
I'm on board with Essengue there.LawHall88 said:Quote:
2. San Antonio Spurs
Dylan Harper | 6-6 guard | 19 years old | Rutgers
Harper was seen as being exceptionally likely to be the No. 2 pick before the lottery. I think that's still the most likely outcome, but San Antonio getting this pick does throw things for a bit of a loop.
The Spurs just acquired De'Aaron Fox at the trade deadline. Additionally, Rookie of the Year Stephon Castle plays a similar role to Harper as a combo guard. Ultimately, I think the Spurs should just take the best talent on the board, and that's Harper. I think he's a better prospect than Castle, and thus, Castle's presence shouldn't stop you from selecting him. On top of that, getting the No. 2 pick may have actually put the Spurs in the driver's seat for a potential superstar trade. I'm not convinced that any team will have a better top asset available for a potential Giannis Antetokounmpo trade than this pick.
Harper's 19.4 points, 4.6 rebounds and four assists per game while shooting 48 percent from the field as a freshman guard put him in rarefied air, as few players have gotten all that close to such marks in their first year. He also creates rim pressure at an elite level, with the ability to get into the paint and finish at the basket at a serious clip with his impressive array of gathers and touch finishes at 6-6 as a lead guard.
The biggest question for Harper remains his pull-up game as a shooter, as he only hit 29.2 percent of his pull-up 3s. I watched Harper work out recently, and it's clear that working as a scorer in ball screens, re-screens and dribble handoffs is a real emphasis for his pre-draft process. He shot the ball well in the workout that I saw. I felt like the ball would sometimes flatten out on him this season at Rutgers, but he's starting to work on getting more consistent arc on the shot off pull-ups. Between that, his physical frame being NBA-ready, and his intel all coming back very positively even in the face of a tough season at Rutgers, Harper is very well-positioned.https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6345850/2025/05/12/nba-mock-draft-2025-cooper-flagg-mavericks/Quote:
14. San Antonio Spurs (via ATL)
Noa Essengue | 6-9 forward | 18 years old | Ratiopharm Ulm
Essengue is starting to turn things on in France, with multiple 20-point outings over the last month. The 6-9 forward is a terrific athlete who moves exceedingly well for his age. He'll be the second-youngest player in this draft class behind Cooper Flagg and is averaging 12 points, 5.2 rebounds, 1.3 steals and 0.8 blocks per game since Jan. 22.
The questions here are largely around his polish. The jumper is starting to fall, as he's made 35 percent from 3 in that window, but there are real mechanical issues regarding his base and balance that teams think will take a lot of time to work through, despite his solid touch. Additionally, while his defensive playmaking numbers are strong and he's shown improvement throughout the year, his overall impact on that end isn't all that high. He gets beaten more often off the bounce than you'd expect for this level of athleticism, and his help instincts waver. Still, he's a young player clearly coming along well regarding his development. Don't expect Essengue to be a valuable player next year in the NBA, but he could develop in time to be one of the better players in this draft class if he lands with the right organization.
Didn't know he blew out his wrist. He had a great shot and length.Guitarsoup said:Miller blew out his shooting wrist and doesn't play defense. I'm out on that. Even if it is Miller+4 for Harper and BranhamEarth Rider said:
I would trade Harper for Brandon miller but charlotte doesnt need a pg
Not our fault that other teams made awful picks.Sher Thing said:I didn't say all our future picks. This is a top 5 player in the world we are talking about here. Not sure you understand how good of a player he is. Here's the last 15 number two picks:flashplayer said:Sher Thing said:I don't think the package would be nearly as drastic as some of those rumors. The Spurs have zero intention of trading Castle and if Giannis lets it be known that he wants to be in SA which I predict will ultimately come out, I think the Spurs may be able to get him for a package like #2 overall, other significant draft compensation, Keldon and Vassell. Just seems like the NBA is setting it up and this whole thing is obviously rigged.Enzo The Baker said:Sher Thing said:
Wemby's window is definitely not going to be some long-term thing. I would hope everyone understands that. That's the whole point in getting Giannis. He opens the window this year.
But in the West, is it really a window? We don't even know what the team will look like. The only definite roster would be Giannis, Wemby and Fox.
That's still way too much. If you give away Devin and all the future picks you damn sure better not part with this year's #2. That's nuts. #2 players are typically all star caliber.
If you do give up #2 that is the only first round pick compensation you should offer up.
All our pick swaps still look juicy long term even though the Dallas one took a hit today.