Easiest layup for NBA draft analysts is European prospect = spurs are interested. Definitely not always true but nobody can fault them for lazy analysis

Yeah, agree. KJ is such an awful pick for us and Kon is still on the board there. It's insane.

Too many important #5's so you get 5 of them today.

First, one of the men primarily responsible for the 2005 championship:






Next, another champion that wore #5 for the silver and black:




Next let's roll with the man primarily responsible for getting us some extra lotto tickets this year and Atlanta's future picks:




Some love for a familiar face:




And last - the future:

Bravo, you put 5 on it.

How could you forget?

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5 for 5 was fun so today we will go 4 for 4.

First up, the new guy who wanted to be here:




Next up a guy who won a ring with the Spurs in the twilight of his awesome career:




A guy most of you will remember wearing 25 when he put the team on his back en route to defeating the guy above on the way to the 03 championship…but he did wear #4 a short time:




And finally, it wouldn't be honoring the #4 without verde himself:

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Side note, Bailey and Harper are good looking prospects. It's weird how bad that team was this year.

Knueppel at 5 is the biggest surprise for me. I know he can hit the 3, so he would probably be a good role player for us. But other teams don't have the foundation we have with Wemby, Castle, Fox, etc.. For the Spurs he is more of a best fit available and not necessarily the best player available.

As far as the 3 & D, he is missing the second part as a shutdown wing. I guess him and Sochan could rotate and be a headache as polar opposites.

I just feel like teams with more holes than the Spurs will go after a player with a higher ceiling with a top 7 or 8 pick in a deep draft.

Sochan I'm still undecided on him. He is like Rodman as a great defender but doesn't rebound as well. And in today's NBA he kills our spacing especially with Fox and Castle who are mostly slashers. He needs to get above 35% on his 3 or I think he will be the odd man out. I guess we would resign him but I don't know.

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Knueppel at 5 is the biggest surprise for me. I know he can hit the 3, so he would probably be a good role player for us. But other teams don't have the foundation we have with Wemby, Castle, Fox, etc.. For the Spurs he is more of a best fit available and not necessarily the best player available.

As far as the 3 & D, he is missing the second part as a shutdown wing. I guess him and Sochan could rotate and be a headache as polar opposites.

I just feel like teams with more holes than the Spurs will go after a player with a higher ceiling with a top 7 or 8 pick in a deep draft.

Sochan I'm still undecided on him. He is like Rodman as a great defender but doesn't rebound as well. And in today's NBA he kills our spacing especially with Fox and Castle who are mostly slashers. He needs to get above 35% on his 3 or I think he will be the odd man out. I guess we would resign him but I don't know.

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The Sochan extension going to be the most interesting thing this offseason. I know we take care of our own but we also have to look at what he really adds to this team.

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Knueppel at 5 is the biggest surprise for me. I know he can hit the 3, so he would probably be a good role player for us. But other teams don't have the foundation we have with Wemby, Castle, Fox, etc.. For the Spurs he is more of a best fit available and not necessarily the best player available.

As far as the 3 & D, he is missing the second part as a shutdown wing. I guess him and Sochan could rotate and be a headache as polar opposites.

I just feel like teams with more holes than the Spurs will go after a player with a higher ceiling with a top 7 or 8 pick in a deep draft.

Sochan I'm still undecided on him. He is like Rodman as a great defender but doesn't rebound as well. And in today's NBA he kills our spacing especially with Fox and Castle who are mostly slashers. He needs to get above 35% on his 3 or I think he will be the odd man out. I guess we would resign him but I don't know.

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The Sochan extension going to be the most interesting thing this offseason. I know we take care of our own but we also have to look at what he really adds to this team.

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Big thing is he is extension eligible. What is he going to get and will he even sign one or will he bet on himself to improve this year and get an extension when he is a RFA.

I think Deni and PJ Washington are worth more.
Deni got 4y55M.
PJ is 3y46M.
Herb Johes 4y53M
Jon ISsac 4y59m

I think Sochan has to be in the 4y45-55M area.

Sochan's rebounding was fine. 90th percentile for offensive and 78th percentile for defensive. He's one of the most portable defenders in the NBA. And his work as a roll man is improving. But without being able to threaten from the corner... he's an incomplete player. Less than 1/3rd of Wemby and Sochan's minutes played this year were together. You can't invest a ton in a guy you can't play much with your best player.

If I was Sochan I would probably turn that down and take my chances in RFA, but I would take anything less than 20 AAV as an acceptable deal for us. I could see something like the Patrick Williams 5/90. If he is in the neighborhood of the guys you are describing that would be really good value and I would be ecstatic, I think once he gets a full season in a more defined role we will see him grow quite a bit. To your point on corner 3s, he did shoot almost 39% from there this year albeit on only like 28 attempts. He is still only 21 so I haven't given up on him at least becoming proficient from the corner a la Bowen, even if he never develops a shot from anywhere else.

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If I was Sochan I would probably turn that down and take my chances in RFA, but I would take anything less than 20 AAV as an acceptable deal for us. I could see something like the Patrick Williams 5/90. If he is in the neighborhood of the guys you are describing that would be really good value and I would be ecstatic, I think once he gets a full season in a more defined role we will see him grow quite a bit. To your point on corner 3s, he did shoot almost 39% from there this year albeit on only like 28 attempts. He is still only 21 so I haven't given up on him at least becoming proficient from the corner a la Bowen, even if he never develops a shot from anywhere else.

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39% of his attempts were corner threes, he shot .314 from there, according to BBRef.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sochaje01.html


This is showing Jeremy 6/14 from the left corner and 5/24 from the right corner. That would be about 29%.

https://3stepsbasket.com/player/jeremy-sochan/shooting

I think he can improve, but this wasn't a great year for him on that aspect. Felt like he back tracked a bit. Hopefully he improves a lot this summer.

Lmao that's what I get for skimming

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Side note, Bailey and Harper are good looking prospects. It's weird how bad that team was this year.

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I watched them a few times this year, outside of the A&M game, and they had no one outside of those two that could really play.

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Side note, Bailey and Harper are good looking prospects. It's weird how bad that team was this year.

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I watched them a few times this year, outside of the A&M game, and they had no one outside of those two that could really play.

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Extremely poorly coached. Extreme lack of talent outside those two.

No team has ever had two top three picks and not made the tournament, right?

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Side note, Bailey and Harper are good looking prospects. It's weird how bad that team was this year.

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I watched them a few times this year, outside of the A&M game, and they had no one outside of those two that could really play.

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Extremely poorly coached. Extreme lack of talent outside those two.

No team has ever had two top three picks and not made the tournament, right?

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What kind of NIL deal did Rutgers offer to get both those dudes? I know Harper's older brother played there, so there was a connection already, but dudes that are that talented don't just choose a place like Rutgers.

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Side note, Bailey and Harper are good looking prospects. It's weird how bad that team was this year.

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I watched them a few times this year, outside of the A&M game, and they had no one outside of those two that could really play.

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Extremely poorly coached. Extreme lack of talent outside those two.

No team has ever had two top three picks and not made the tournament, right?

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What kind of NIL deal did Rutgers offer to get both those dudes? I know Harper's older brother played there, so there was a connection already, but dudes that are that talented don't just choose a place like Rutgers.

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I have no clue. Harper's brother played there and he is from the area, so he was basically staying home in Jersey.

Bailey is another matter. He could have gone anywhere and he was from Tennessee.

Those Rutgers guys scare me. That seems like a Ben Simmons vibe being that talented and yet being that terrible as a team.

I think Harper will be a star.

I think Ace Bailey will be somewhat similar to Michael Porter Jr. Can shoot/create own shot, mostly a ball stopper. Maybe average defensively.

I dont think either has the motor or mental issues that Simmons did even at LSU.

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Those Rutgers guys scare me. That seems like a Ben Simmons vibe being that talented and yet being that terrible as a team.

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College ball has changed a lot recently with teams becoming veteran heavy. 18 year olds playing against 23 year olds is a big difference physically and mentally. Part of what we've seen is that some big programs have entirely exited the one and done sweepstakes for guys like this preferring to build through the portal instead with mature and proven players.

Part of what makes Duke's trio of Freshmen intriguing is that they bucked that trend and won big despite their youth.

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If I was Sochan I would probably turn that down and take my chances in RFA, but I would take anything less than 20 AAV as an acceptable deal for us. I could see something like the Patrick Williams 5/90. If he is in the neighborhood of the guys you are describing that would be really good value and I would be ecstatic, I think once he gets a full season in a more defined role we will see him grow quite a bit. To your point on corner 3s, he did shoot almost 39% from there this year albeit on only like 28 attempts. He is still only 21 so I haven't given up on him at least becoming proficient from the corner a la Bowen, even if he never develops a shot from anywhere else.

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39% of his attempts were corner threes, he shot .314 from there, according to BBRef.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sochaje01.html


This is showing Jeremy 6/14 from the left corner and 5/24 from the right corner. That would be about 29%.

https://3stepsbasket.com/player/jeremy-sochan/shooting

I think he can improve, but this wasn't a great year for him on that aspect. Felt like he back tracked a bit. Hopefully he improves a lot this summer.

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I dont see Jeremy ever becoming a good 3pt shooter by percentage. However hes hit some timely shots a few times in his career so far. And I think he's so special defensively that you live with it. I'd happily give him the terms mentioned.

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If I was Sochan I would probably turn that down and take my chances in RFA, but I would take anything less than 20 AAV as an acceptable deal for us. I could see something like the Patrick Williams 5/90. If he is in the neighborhood of the guys you are describing that would be really good value and I would be ecstatic, I think once he gets a full season in a more defined role we will see him grow quite a bit. To your point on corner 3s, he did shoot almost 39% from there this year albeit on only like 28 attempts. He is still only 21 so I haven't given up on him at least becoming proficient from the corner a la Bowen, even if he never develops a shot from anywhere else.

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39% of his attempts were corner threes, he shot .314 from there, according to BBRef.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sochaje01.html


This is showing Jeremy 6/14 from the left corner and 5/24 from the right corner. That would be about 29%.

https://3stepsbasket.com/player/jeremy-sochan/shooting

I think he can improve, but this wasn't a great year for him on that aspect. Felt like he back tracked a bit. Hopefully he improves a lot this summer.

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I dont see Jeremy ever becoming a good 3pt shooter by percentage. However hes hit some timely shots a few times in his career so far. And I think he's so special defensively that you live with it. I'd happily give him the terms mentioned.

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I hate to say it but I agree with you on his shot. But darn, I like pretty much everything else he does. High energy and stuff that isn't on the stats. He's a project but he has gotten better. Its kind of like why didn't he ever practice shooting as a kid. My 11 year old has better form.

I'd like to see who we draft, and also see how he does next season. He needs to have a breakout season in the worst way. Condition critical is how I see it. As much as I like Sochan, if he doesn't develop an outside shot then that really hurts us with Castle and Fox. If we draft somebody that can be a good defender (not sochan level though) and can hit outside shots at a high percentage, I would invest into them instead.

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If I was Sochan I would probably turn that down and take my chances in RFA, but I would take anything less than 20 AAV as an acceptable deal for us. I could see something like the Patrick Williams 5/90. If he is in the neighborhood of the guys you are describing that would be really good value and I would be ecstatic, I think once he gets a full season in a more defined role we will see him grow quite a bit. To your point on corner 3s, he did shoot almost 39% from there this year albeit on only like 28 attempts. He is still only 21 so I haven't given up on him at least becoming proficient from the corner a la Bowen, even if he never develops a shot from anywhere else.

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39% of his attempts were corner threes, he shot .314 from there, according to BBRef.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sochaje01.html


This is showing Jeremy 6/14 from the left corner and 5/24 from the right corner. That would be about 29%.

https://3stepsbasket.com/player/jeremy-sochan/shooting

I think he can improve, but this wasn't a great year for him on that aspect. Felt like he back tracked a bit. Hopefully he improves a lot this summer.

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I dont see Jeremy ever becoming a good 3pt shooter by percentage. However hes hit some timely shots a few times in his career so far. And I think he's so special defensively that you live with it. I'd happily give him the terms mentioned.

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I hate to say it but I agree with you on his shot. But darn, I like pretty much everything else he does. High energy and stuff that isn't on the stats. He's a project but he has gotten better. Its kind of like why didn't he ever practice shooting as a kid. My 11 year old has better form.

I'd like to see who we draft, and also see how he does next season. He needs to have a breakout season in the worst way. Condition critical is how I see it. As much as I like Sochan, if he doesn't develop an outside shot then that really hurts us with Castle and Fox. If we draft somebody that can be a good defender (not sochan level though) and can hit outside shots at a high percentage, I would invest into them instead.

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Possible that Carter Bryant could be Sochan's level defensively. He's 6'8 225 and hit 37% from three. Rasheer Fleming is a bit bigger and I don't think he will have the 1-5 portability that Sochan has or the offensive ability/ball handling/passing, but he should be a 3-5 defender that can hit threes (39% this year.)

If Sochan can be kept cheap, a guy that can handle the ball some, be a high level roll man, rebounder and defend 1-5 has a place on the team. But Sochan's role will likely be a bench forward playing 20-25 on a good team at most unless he can shoot 34% or higher from three.

Agreed on Harper. He is going to be great. I keep watching videos of him and comparing him to Castle.

He has a better shot than Castle. Castle is a better defender. Both are great at driving to the basket. Harper is a better passer and distributor. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush so I would take Castle over Harper. But either player could easily turn out better than the other in time.

Ace Bailey has the measurables, but I remember you compared him to Carmelo and that is a good comparison. He is too stiff and upright and can't create his own shot . He is limited. But saying all that I'd be thrilled if we get in a spot to draft him. He is the best wing in this draft.

I think Brandon Miller is another good comparison. But I don't think Bailey could hold a candle to Miller. I really like Miller, would take him over Carmelo if they were the same age. But none of those guys come close to Durant in his early years.

Impossible to ever find another Emanuel GenoBeelee (Ginobli) - pronounced when he was drafted. I'd be thrilled with a Danny Green or a Danny Ferry in this draft.

Three things to remember about this guy:

1) He was instrumental in the 2003 championship. A lot of people forget how huge he was against the Lakers and Dallas.

2) He was one of the perpetrators of the Malice at the Palace in Detroit not long after.

3) Instead of spending his later years talking trash about Pop and the Spurs, he could have ended up drinking fentanyl and passing off fake money like his BFF George Floyd.




This guy wore it better though:

Or the guy I would love to add to this team:




Will Kon be White Ellis?

I've been studying him too. Carter Bryant has a great shot. I like his offensive game and he has more length and a better defender than Knueppel.

I would be happy if the Spurs took him at 8-10 and let Sochan walk if he can't improve his three. Carter Bryant is a night and day better shooter than Sochan.

With the Atlanta pick, I want someone that can play the 4. We need height/size. I like Fleming but my hesitation with Fleming he is limited athletically but he has a great shot for a 4. I don't know that he can defend well in the paint and may not have the vertical to limit some of the layups that were scored against us without Wemby and may not be a great rebounder. We were killed on the boards without Wemby.

I think Newell can develop an outside shot. he is a smooth shooter, and didn't take a lot of 3's in college. I think he can develop a shot. I like Newell's rim protection when Wemby isn't playing. Newell can be a great defender.

I think Essengue could end up one of the top 3 players in this draft. I know he is raw, but he is fluid and I think has a chance at developing an outside 3. Just a roll of the dice with him.

I don't know who I would take between Fleming, Essengue, and Newell. Maybe Newell because of his rim protection, defense, and rebounding and I think he will be able to shoot the 3 in time. Fleming can shoot the 3 now as a 4, but won't never be able to offer the other things that Newell does well.

In my head and memory I remember Dale Ellis being a knockdown shooter who was deadly from 3 pt range.

I don't want to look at his stats but I'm guessing in today's game his stats would look very middling.

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In my head and memory I remember Dale Ellis being a knockdown shooter who was deadly from 3 pt range.

I don't want to look at his stats but I'm guessing in today's game his stats would look very middling.

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No he was a baller. Shot 40% from deep for his career.

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In my head and memory I remember Dale Ellis being a knockdown shooter who was deadly from 3 pt range.

I don't want to look at his stats but I'm guessing in today's game his stats would look very middling.

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He hit 49% one year from three on 4.5 attempts per game!

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Three things to remember about this guy:

1) He was instrumental in the 2003 championship. A lot of people forget how huge he was against the Lakers and Dallas.

2) He was one of the perpetrators of the Malice at the Palace in Detroit not long after.

3) Instead of spending his later years talking trash about Pop and the Spurs, he could have ended up drinking fentanyl and passing off fake money like his BFF George Floyd.




This guy wore it better though:

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We probably have less rings if we didnt have Buckets back in the day. That guy was a stone cold assassin especially against the nets.

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If I was Sochan I would probably turn that down and take my chances in RFA, but I would take anything less than 20 AAV as an acceptable deal for us. I could see something like the Patrick Williams 5/90. If he is in the neighborhood of the guys you are describing that would be really good value and I would be ecstatic, I think once he gets a full season in a more defined role we will see him grow quite a bit. To your point on corner 3s, he did shoot almost 39% from there this year albeit on only like 28 attempts. He is still only 21 so I haven't given up on him at least becoming proficient from the corner a la Bowen, even if he never develops a shot from anywhere else.

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39% of his attempts were corner threes, he shot .314 from there, according to BBRef.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sochaje01.html


This is showing Jeremy 6/14 from the left corner and 5/24 from the right corner. That would be about 29%.

https://3stepsbasket.com/player/jeremy-sochan/shooting

I think he can improve, but this wasn't a great year for him on that aspect. Felt like he back tracked a bit. Hopefully he improves a lot this summer.

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I dont see Jeremy ever becoming a good 3pt shooter by percentage. However hes hit some timely shots a few times in his career so far. And I think he's so special defensively that you live with it. I'd happily give him the terms mentioned.

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I think you keep Jeremy even if he comes off the bench. Defense is so valuable in the playoffs. Denver locked down SGA last night and won the game despite Jokic having an off night.
Having an elite defender late in the game pays huge dividends. I don't think you give that up just to get a better shooter.