*****2021 Spurs Offseason Thread*****

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Guitarsoup said:



Yea. That's fair. I love it. If he stays healthy he will easily outperform that salary.
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Enzo The Baker said:

We have to be working to add one of Lauri or J Collins. I think the Atlanta BS is just smoke and mirror stuff.
Have about 30mm left. 12-13 used on Dougie and 7-8 on Zach.

Neither is a starting PF. Neither is a starting PG. Neither is a backup PG.
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30mm makes me think there's a s&t possibility out there, but it's the spurs so....
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Guitarsoup said:

Enzo The Baker said:

We have to be working to add one of Lauri or J Collins. I think the Atlanta BS is just smoke and mirror stuff.
Have about 30mm left. 12-13 used on Dougie and 7-8 on Zach.

Neither is a starting PF. Neither is a starting PG. Neither is a backup PG.


At this point I'm pretty sure we're running it back with Dejounte and Derrick as our PGs. We still have enough cap space left to offer Collins the max and if he doesn't sign then I think we get Markannen.
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Unfortunately I don't think we are going to have a conventional starting PG. We are going to ride with White/Murray.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Unfortunately I don't think we are going to have a conventional starting PG. We are going to ride with White/Murray.
We need at the very least one more ball handler. White and Murray both have a not great injury history and neither is an ideal point. Plus we lose Patty and DeMar.
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Guitarsoup said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Unfortunately I don't think we are going to have a conventional starting PG. We are going to ride with White/Murray.
We need at the very least one more ball handler. White and Murray both have a not great injury history and neither is an ideal point. Plus we lose Patty and DeMar.

I agree. But I just have a feeling we are going to give our guards space and hope they can develop. We might get a veteran back up or 3rd string but that's it.
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Guitarsoup said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Unfortunately I don't think we are going to have a conventional starting PG. We are going to ride with White/Murray.
We need at the very least one more ball handler. White and Murray both have a not great injury history and neither is an ideal point. Plus we lose Patty and DeMar.


Chet Holmgren/Paolo Banchero here we come.
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Funny enough, if we end up going after Lauri, we would have a team that would be a better fit with Simmons.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Guitarsoup said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Unfortunately I don't think we are going to have a conventional starting PG. We are going to ride with White/Murray.
We need at the very least one more ball handler. White and Murray both have a not great injury history and neither is an ideal point. Plus we lose Patty and DeMar.

I agree. But I just have a feeling we are going to give our guards space and hope they can develop. We might get a veteran back up or 3rd string but that's it.
TJ McConnell would have been solid for that backup role.

Maybe take a flier on Dennis Smith cheap. Elfrid Payton.
Enzo The Baker
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Payton would be good. He had a rock solid year last year.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Funny enough, if we end up going after Lauri, we would have a team that would be a better fit with Simmons.
I think the Spurs are an ideal fit for Simmons. Just not for near what Morey thinks Simmons is worth.
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West Texan said:

Guitarsoup said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Unfortunately I don't think we are going to have a conventional starting PG. We are going to ride with White/Murray.
We need at the very least one more ball handler. White and Murray both have a not great injury history and neither is an ideal point. Plus we lose Patty and DeMar.


Chet Holmgren/Paolo Banchero here we come.


those are made up names.
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12 for Lauri and 18 for Oubre and call it a day.

Poetl/Eubanks
Lauri/McDermott/Collins
Oubre/Keldon/Vassell
Murray/Lonnie/PuroPrimo
White/Tre
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Guitarsoup said:



S&T still on the table I guess but hard to believe we'll trade for Markkanen considering who we just signed
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HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

Guitarsoup said:



S&T still on the table I guess but hard to believe we'll trade for Markkanen considering who we just signed
Max for JCollins is still possible for us.
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Guitarsoup said:

HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

Guitarsoup said:



S&T still on the table I guess but hard to believe we'll trade for Markkanen considering who we just signed
Max for JCollins is still possible for us.

S&T for Collins with DD and change going back to Atl?? One can dream, right??
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HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

Guitarsoup said:

HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

Guitarsoup said:



S&T still on the table I guess but hard to believe we'll trade for Markkanen considering who we just signed
Max for JCollins is still possible for us.

S&T for Collins with DD and change going back to Atl?? One can dream, right??
They have Hunter, Bogdan, Reddish, Heurter at wing. Only way they do that is if we take Reddish and give back picks or something.
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Guitarsoup said:

12 for Lauri and 18 for Oubre and call it a day.

Poetl/Eubanks
Lauri/McDermott/Collins
Oubre/Keldon/Vassell
Murray/Lonnie/PuroPrimo
White/Tre


I think Collins spends most of his time backing up Poeltl at center (assuming he gets healthy enough to play). And I think they give Luka a shot to see if he can hang before they just write him off. Also, Primo will spend the year in Austin.
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Maybe I don't know our cap position well, but it seems like there should be enough room there to do a S&T if we want Lauri (or give him an offer sheet).

Regarding position, McDermott is a 3 and Z Collins is more of a gamble than anything (who has the size to play 5). I still see a role for Lauri on this team if they choose to go that way.

Edit: I'm sure we are still working on options involving DeMar. We want to do him right.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Maybe I don't know our cap position well, but it seems like there should be enough room there to do a S&T if we want Lauri (or give him an offer sheet).

Regarding position, McDermott is a 3 and Z Collins is more of a gamble than anything (who has the size to play 5). I still see a role for Lauri on this team if they choose to go that way.


#Spurssowhite
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Enzo The Baker said:

Maybe I don't know our cap position well, but it seems like there should be enough room there to do a S&T if we want Lauri (or give him an offer sheet).

Regarding position, McDermott is a 3 and Z Collins is more of a gamble than anything (who has the size to play 5). I still see a role for Lauri on this team if they choose to go that way.


We can renounce everyone and have around 30mm left to spend. No need to S&T unless it really benefits us
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Enzo The Baker said:

Maybe I don't know our cap position well, but it seems like there should be enough room there to do a S&T if we want Lauri (or give him an offer sheet).

Regarding position, McDermott is a 3 and Z Collins is more of a gamble than anything (who has the size to play 5). I still see a role for Lauri on this team if they choose to go that way.

Edit: I'm sure we are still working on options involving DeMar. We want to do him right.


I'm not counting on Zach Collins for anything.

Last two years, McD mainly played Stretch 4. Prior to that, he was mainly a 2/3.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Maybe I don't know our cap position well, but it seems like there should be enough room there to do a S&T if we want Lauri (or give him an offer sheet).

Regarding position, McDermott is a 3 and Z Collins is more of a gamble than anything (who has the size to play 5). I still see a role for Lauri on this team if they choose to go that way.


From what I understand, we still have somewhere around $28-30 million left, so plenty of room to sign and trade or offer Collins a max. Soup is the cap expert though.

And yeah Dougie McBuckets fills that Rudy roll of playing the 3/4.

Collins is definitely a gamble because he may never even play or be close to anything decent. Need to see what kind of team options are built into his contract.
Enzo The Baker
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Now let's just cross our fingers that DeMar just doesn't say eff it and take the MLE with a contender. And if he does, let's hope we can sign JC.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Now let's just cross our fingers that DeMar just doesn't say eff it and take the MLE with a contender. And if he does, let's hope we can sign JC.


It kinda makes me think we're waiting to see what Collins will do, and if doesn't sign with us then we'll work a sign and trade with Chicago.
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Murray is not a bad PG. We also have Trey Jones who looks very promising.
Enzo The Baker
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West Texan said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Now let's just cross our fingers that DeMar just doesn't say eff it and take the MLE with a contender. And if he does, let's hope we can sign JC.


It kinda makes me think we're waiting to see what Collins will do, and if doesn't sign with us then we'll work a sign and trade with Chicago.


That would make sense. Assuming DeMar is on board.
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Problem is to offer Collins the contract, we have to renounce DeMar.

They are only going to offer it off ATL won't match, and I think Atl might.

So we basically have to S&T DD for Collins+Reddish or something to make it work and have ATL agree.
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Im starting to think the Spurs really want DD to come crawling back at a decent price.
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Guitarsoup said:

Problem is to offer Collins the contract, we have to renounce DeMar.

They are only going to offer it off ATL won't match, and I think Atl might.

So we basically have to S&T DD for Collins+Reddish or something to make it work and have ATL agree.

I'm down even if it means giving up a future heavily protected first, but the Spurs would have to send someone else back to Atl to make salaries work, right?? Especially if Collins is maxed
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It looks like Miami used most of their MLE on a deal with Tucker. DDR unlikely to go there now.
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HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

Guitarsoup said:

Problem is to offer Collins the contract, we have to renounce DeMar.

They are only going to offer it off ATL won't match, and I think Atl might.

So we basically have to S&T DD for Collins+Reddish or something to make it work and have ATL agree.

I'm down even if it means giving up a future heavily protected first, but the Spurs would have to send someone else back to Atl to make salaries work, right?? Especially if Collins is maxed


Not if the Spurs have enough cap space to absorb the difference.
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I think you're right. The longer this plays out I think the more likely it is DDR stays on like a two year deal.
 
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