tmaggie50 said:
The one thing I disagree with is that I do think you can talk bad about Lebrons teammates. Even though he may have had a hand in picking most of them, this isn't an argument of whose the better GM.
Ulrich said:tmaggie50 said:
The one thing I disagree with is that I do think you can talk bad about Lebrons teammates. Even though he may have had a hand in picking most of them, this isn't an argument of whose the better GM.
... although an argument over who is the better (worse) GM would actually be kind of interesting.
You're calling people out for cherry picking, but in your post you are referencing, you included:claym711 said:
It's blatently obvious that those trying to make an argument for Lebron over Jordan were either not born, or were children during Jordan's run.
There is no argument that can be made for Lebron at this point. My previous post makes that quite obvious, despite the lame attempt to cherry pick one point and thereby invalidate the point.
There is no argument for Lebron right now. Only excuses.
Here's Jordan dunking on that vaunted 80's NBA defense. I heard it was war every night.Pumpkinhead said:
There should be a rule on the Jordan vs LeBron debate that you must be at least 35 years or older to participate. Or, if younger than 35, you must submit proof that you have watched at least 100 hours of Jordan games and highlights on YouTube.
They're around. To lazy to link to the other threads. Have to throw some chicken on the grill in a little bit.claym711 said:
Care to make 1 argument for Lebron instead of an IF or a BUT? Do you have at least one?
claym711 said:
You were doing so well until that last straw man.
It's stats, rings, and accolades. Taken all together, MJ was better.
There are individual statistical fields in which Lebron has been better thus far, but PER takes care of all offensive categories, and Jordan was a DPOY and perennial first team all defense.
tmaggie50 said:claym711 said:
You were doing so well until that last straw man.
It's stats, rings, and accolades. Taken all together, MJ was better.
There are individual statistical fields in which Lebron has been better thus far, but PER takes care of all offensive categories, and Jordan was a DPOY and perennial first team all defense.
Accolades are voted on by sportswriters. How many games a year do you think sportswriters from around the country were even able to see Jordan play? Again, chalk this up to your "iconic moments" debate
claym711 said:
It's blatently obvious that those trying to make an argument for Lebron over Jordan were either not born, or were children during Jordan's run.
Gator03 said:
I grew up watching Jordan and the nba religiously starting in '87. Had multiple Jordan/Bulls shirts and read The Jordan Rules as a kid.
I'll take Lebron 10/10 times. Players are faster and stronger today, and better at shooting the ball. Lebron would've destroyed defenders back then.
Unless you think that the quality of basketball has gone down in two decades.
drewbie08 said:
If both Jordan and LeBron were available in the same draft, which one do you pick as your franchise player?
Man I will give ALL props to Lebron because he is unlike any other player to ever play as far as his athletic ability. HOWEVER, the one thing I will always say about comparing MJ to Lebron is that Michael had to do it every year against much better competition AND the rules were different now where people could mug Michael going to the basket. You touch Lebron and he gets the benefit of the whistle. MJ had to go through a tougher road to the finals than Lebron ever has. The East has been weak for a while. Again, no doubt Lebron is the MVP and could be every year like MJ could have been. I just think that MJ had a harder road every year and rules were different.Ag12thman said:
I think he'll finish the best ever when he's done. And this is coming from someone who grew up loving and following every single game MJ played. MJ has more rings and I'm one of those that still say he's not reached MJ heights yet. But with each passing year LeBron wows me more and more. I think, if he plays long enough, he'll be regarded as the best to ever play the game. In many people's minds he already is, I bet.
To really take this conversation into even more worn out territory...Dr. Tinkle said:Man I will give ALL props to Lebron because he is unlike any other player to ever play as far as his athletic ability. HOWEVER, the one thing I will always say about comparing MJ to Lebron is that Michael had to do it every year against much better competition AND the rules were different now where people could mug Michael going to the basket. You touch Lebron and he gets the benefit of the whistle. MJ had to go through a tougher road to the finals than Lebron ever has. The East has been weak for a while. Again, no doubt Lebron is the MVP and could be every year like MJ could have been. I just think that MJ had a harder road every year and rules were different.Ag12thman said:
I think he'll finish the best ever when he's done. And this is coming from someone who grew up loving and following every single game MJ played. MJ has more rings and I'm one of those that still say he's not reached MJ heights yet. But with each passing year LeBron wows me more and more. I think, if he plays long enough, he'll be regarded as the best to ever play the game. In many people's minds he already is, I bet.
