Looking forward to seeing our future center Boogie Cousins tonight

True Anomaly said:

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Looking forward to seeing our future center Boogie Cousins tonight

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Any actual chatter about this? Wouldn't know how I'd feel about that. But he's putting up amazing stats lately....

COAg15 said:

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True Anomaly said:

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Looking forward to seeing our future center Boogie Cousins tonight

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Any actual chatter about this? Wouldn't know how I'd feel about that. But he's putting up amazing stats lately....

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Pure speculation.

Especially since both Boogie and the Brow did a haunted house video together. Seriously, it's worth watching.

The downside for the Mavs is that haunted house bros usually stick together

Noel only plays 13 mins when the other team has two legit centers. Way to go Rick. I guess Noel has always been in his doghouse and will never get out. So we won't even know what we have going into free agency.

I know we're rebuilding but this is discouraging. We may go 0fer in November

mavsfan4ever said:

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Noel only plays 13 mins when the other team has two legit centers. Way to go Rick. I guess Noel has always been in his doghouse and will never get out. So we won't even know what we have going into free agency.

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Noel has terrible knees. Limiting minutes to save him is one of two parts (doghouse being the other).

He gets in foul trouble way too easy.

He has terrible knees so you play him13 minutes? And he has terrible knees so you offer him 4/72 in the offseason? Give me a break, his knees have nothing to do with him playing 13 mins. Carlisle has him in the doghouse or we are just trying to artificially lower his upcoming for free agency, which will do us no good bc he will just be pissed and go somewhere else.

1-10

We're pretty healthy as well. This season looks done unless we gel together at some point.

Get. Dat. Pick.

mavsfan4ever said:

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He has terrible knees so you play him13 minutes? And he has terrible knees so you offer him 4/72 in the offseason? Give me a break, his knees have nothing to do with him playing 13 mins. Carlisle has him in the doghouse or we are just trying to artificially lower his upcoming for free agency, which will do us no good bc he will just be pissed and go somewhere else.

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https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/dallas-mavericks/mavericks/2017/10/25/mavericks-playing-nerlens-noel

Yea I know some people have speculated that's why he's not playing much. I'm just saying I don't buy that reasoning. Sherrington is just speculating that that may be why he's not playing much because nothing else seems to make sense. But from what I've seen, no one in the organization has ever said that that's the case.

Yay, we won another game! 2-10!

Noel DNP coach's decision while the team gets outrebounded by double digits. Wtf

Ridiculous. Maybe he slept with rick's wife or daughter. That's the only explanation I've got.

Maybe it's tough love at work that is necessary to driving development of not just one young guy but a team with several of them. But it is pretty tough to understand. I think Carlisle is a fantastic coach, but the handling of the youth at times does make me question if he's right for a rebuild.

Ive always thought he wasn't right for a rebuild, and i think he's a great coach. For some reason he's just always had something against playing young guys and has never really developed anyone, or even tried to develop anyone. i was hoping it would not be a problem since our whole roster is basically young guys but he's found a reason to avoid playing one of our most promising players.

He didn't have a problem playing Jae Crowder did he? Is there an example of a young guy Rick didn't play leaving and blowing up?

PooDoo said:

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He didn't have a problem playing Jae Crowder did he? Is there an example of a young guy Rick didn't play leaving and blowing up?

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That's a good point- I can't think of one.

I hope with DSJ starting every game- and putting up amazing numbers- goes a long way to dispelling this myth of "Carlisle doesn't like to play young guys".

Great article that came out regarding why (maybe) Noel isn't playing much:
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/11/12/16640518/nba-nerlens-noel-dallas-mavericks-rick-carlisle. Last night seemed to reflect the main point of this article, when Noel played very little, and seemed to look lost. I forget who it was - maybe Patty Mills- but he put Noel in a spin cycle and caused him to fall over

PooDoo said:

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He didn't have a problem playing Jae Crowder did he? Is there an example of a young guy Rick didn't play leaving and blowing up?

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It's not about guys leaving a blowing up. It's about playing and attempting to develop young guys. It would be very very rare for a young guy to get almost no playing time and then leave and blow up. They need the minutes when they are young to develop and have a chance to blow up. And playing them and realizing you don't have much there and need to move on is just as important as playing them and realizing you have a good player.

He's not a stud, but I would've liked to see Justin Anderson get a lot more minutes last year. He had a decent rookies season and then had a great summer league and then Rick just didn't play him the last year at all (I know there were some character issues that happened when he was traded, but the low minutes started before that).

I'm not saying we have had any world beaters recently and I never had a huge problem with not playing young guy when we were contending. But now is different. If Noel looks lost all the time, so what? Play him so we can 100% determine that he is useless and then let him go after this year, or maybe he can figure it out and we decide we want to make him an offer. We are awful. There is no reason to not play him.

I get the feeling that Rick just can't stand playing young guys who make a lot of mistakes, which is understandable. But he needs to get over that for the rebuild. Let them learn, and if they don't then let go of them after the year.

Rick figured out how to win a title with a team of odd balls and journeymen. I'm pretty sure he's capable of getting the most out of the players he has no matter how old they are.

I haven't been following the Mavs like I used to but I remember what it was like to see a bad coach coaching the Mavericks. You better have a pretty good replacement locked up to follow Rick because he's the real deal.

Are you willing to trade a proven championship coach for a borderline All Star? Because that's probably Noel's ceiling IF everything goes right.

If anyone is to blame for the condition of the franchise and it's lack of development it's Donnie and Cuban.

If I could choose an ideal coach to develop DSJ it would be Chuck Daly... I think we have the next best thing.

While I think this is probably the weakest part of his coaching ability, I would not consider ditching him. I think you live with some of the pain that goes with it and just trust that he's seeing and working the bigger picture. BAD Radio raised an interesting hypothetical today though, which was "What if Carlisle was Nowitzki's first NBA coach?"

I have to agree- there is absolutely no downside to playing Noel regular minutes. Either he sucks, and therefore you don't offer him max money during the summer and/or trade him before the deadline- OR, he's amazing or shows improvement and you sign him as your future center. The season's gone to dog**** anyway

No one is saying get rid of Carlisle, at least not yet. We just want him to stop being such a dumb ass and start playing Noel more. There is no reason not to.

And the BaD radio hypothetical is exactly what I'm talking about. If Carlisle was dirk's first coach, i honestly don't think he would've ever developed bc he would've been stuck on the bench. Especially when you consider that dirk had a game that was very unusual at the time. Nelly allowed dirk to grow and thrive and was the perfect coach for him.

I'll admit that Noel is probably not as good as I thought. Likely more Brandon Wright than Tyson Chandler. Carslisle is a great coach and there isn't a young player that has left the Mavs who I feel bad about losing. I also remember being confused why Carlisle wouldn't play Roddy Beaubois, turns out it was because he sucked. Of course those Mavs teams were still sniffing around the playoffs.

Looking at the league now and the Mavs roster composition it doesn't make sense not to play Noel. The Mavs aren't winning **** this year or next. The Mavs should be building towards the 20-21 season. The only players under 25 that they have now are Barnes, Noel, Smith Jr., Ferrell and Finney-Smith. Ferrell and Finney-Smith are career back ups, not that there is anything wrong with that. Noel is the only one in that group who doesn't get playing time. There is just no reason not see if he can break out. Mejiri might be better today but he will also be 33 years old two seasons from now.

jeffdjohnson said:

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I'll admit that Noel is probably not as good as I thought. Likely more Brandon Wright than Tyson Chandler. Carslisle is a great coach and there isn't a young player that has left the Mavs who I feel bad about losing. I also remember being confused why Carlisle wouldn't play Roddy Beaubois, turns out it was because he sucked. Of course those Mavs teams were still sniffing around the playoffs.

Looking at the league now and the Mavs roster composition it doesn't make sense not to play Noel. The Mavs aren't winning **** this year or next. The Mavs should be building towards the 20-21 season. The only players under 25 that they have now are Barnes, Noel, Smith Jr., Ferrell and Finney-Smith. Ferrell and Finney-Smith are career back ups, not that there is anything wrong with that. Noel is the only one in that group who doesn't get playing time. There is just no reason not see if he can break out. Mejiri might be better today but he will also be 33 years old two seasons from now.

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exactly. Maybe Noel just has the worst attitude imaginable at practice or something so Carlisle can't bring himself to play him. But I'd be surprised if that was the case, because I'm actually shocked Noel hasn't complained about his playing time yet. Makes me think he must have a decent attitude bc I would be saying something by now. Carlisle is literally costing him tens of millions with how he's treating him.

Of course, his agent already cost him tens of millions, so he should be more mad at him than Carlisle.

Maxi Kleber started last night. There are no words

And Noel did more in his 6 minutes of garbage time than kleber did in his 27 mins.

If Carlisle had Brett favre and Chad Pennington on his team, he'd probably start Pennington bc favre would make a few mistakes or wouldn't do things the right way. Who the **** cares if he's doing things the right way if he's getting results.

Even if Noel is lost every now and then on defense he's still 10x better than what we have.

Lots of things at play here.

-tanking
-having 4-5 centers on roster
-dirk playing at center
-Noel's attitude, based on how Carlisle is acting

Even when Carlisle and Noel get on the same page, he can only play 20 min a night due to health.

He is not the long term solution, but a potential piece that must be a team player (think Haywood back in the day).

Race to bottom this year.

Ill just say this, while I wish Noel would play more, you earn your minutes with Rick. Whether thats in practice, or when you get game time.

Daayyyyyyum Kyrie was crazy good last night. His "clutch" stats are off the charts

Damn, we banked one in to win this time.

PatAg said:

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Damn, we banked one in to win this time.

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Need games like that every now and then to at least keep things interesting.

It was pretty cool to see how fired up everyone was going back to the locker room after the game was over