**** 2017 NBA Finals Thread ****

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Concur. Best case scenario.
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I just wonder what the odds are that Gasol doesn't opt in and Parker retires.
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I thought I saw somewhere that Gasol was going to opt in.
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That appears to be what local media covering the Spurs believes, that Gasol is returning and Parker intends to play next year, albeit perhaps not until December or January. But nothing is official until it's official, I suppose.
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LawHall88 said:

I just wonder what the odds are that Gasol doesn't opt in and Parker retires.
Gasol is opting in, but he would be easy to move.

Parker is talking like he wants to come back for next year. Parker not retiring means you will need to move LMA or Green. Both would be easy to move.
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Gasol has indicated he wants to opt in and Parker says he wants a multi-year contract. The big question is, what do the Spurs want?
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GatorAg03 said:

Gasol has indicated he wants to opt in and Parker says he wants a multi-year contract. The big question is, what do the Spurs want?
5 years, Vet Min. Do it.
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GatorAg03 said:

Gasol has indicated he wants to opt in and Parker says he wants a multi-year contract. The big question is, what do the Spurs want?
The option to opt in is with Gasol and Parker is signed for another year, so the Spurs would have to find takers for each if they don't want them. Nobody will take on Parker's salary given his age and the severity of his injury, and the Spurs wouldn't trade him anyway. Gasol, I don't know. I think Pop correctly concluded that he isn't a 32 minute a night guy anymore, 20-24 minutes as a scorer with the second unit is his best use. How many teams are willing to pay $16 million for that?
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I think Gasol would be super easy to move to Philly or Minnesota that could use him to mentor a young star and needs to hit a salary floor - but won't have many FAs that want to sign with them. He is an ending contract so zero risk.
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I know their contract status. Both will have one year left. Spurs would need to move them. In Gasol's case if the Spurs inform him he will be traded he might not opt in to have more control over where he plays. He could probably get a 2year 10 million per deal from someone. Plus his expiring contract wouldn't be hard to move.

I agree Parker isn't going anywhere, as Spurs won't trade him. I think a more likely scenario is trading Gasol and Green and resigning Simmons to start in Greens spot for cheaper. That would get close to enough for CP3.
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The finals ended last night, were you not watching?
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GatorAg03 said:

The 2017 finals ended on July 4, 2016 (via Players Tribune), were you not watching?
Fixed
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Did you watch game 1 of the WCF? Even warrior fans agree that SA was gonna win that game if pachulia didn't ruin everything with his cheap shot. I still think it would've been GSW in 6, but we will never know because of that ******.
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grapespda2525 said:

Did you watch game 1 of the WCF? Even warrior fans agree that SA was gonna win that game if pachulia didn't ruin everything with his cheap shot. I still think it would've been GSW in 6, but we will never know because of that ******.
I am hesitant to base how close the Spurs actually were to the Warriors this season based on basically 0.6 of one game.

I do agree that the Spurs probably win Game 1, but they may very well have lost the next 4 games once the Warriors woke up.
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This Golden State Warriors team is the best postseason basketball team ever.
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Until next year when Lebron joins Golden State.
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There is a 0% chance of that happening ever
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See a lot of chatter about the Cavs pursuing Paul George in the offseason. Don't see how that's possible with their cap situation.
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Listening to the NBA Ringer podcast and they were saying Cleveland has two options:

-Trade one of their big 3: Kevin Love would be the obvious choice and get a better scorer/defender.

-Keep the roster intact, hope for another vet buyout and hope GS suffers an injury.
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Sounds about right...don't really like their odds in either scenario. It will be interesting to see if they try and trade for PG13...I saw that Indiana does not want to trade him
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It's hard to bet against pop and Kawhi at home 2 games in a row. My gut tells me the series would've been 2-2. The warriors win a close game 5 and game 6
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k20dub said:

Listening to the NBA Ringer podcast and they were saying Cleveland has two options:

-Trade one of their big 3: Kevin Love would be the obvious choice and get a better scorer/defender.

-Keep the roster intact, hope for another vet buyout and hope GS suffers an injury.
So theoretically if that played out....Love would go to Indiana and George would go to the Cavs as a one year rental unless he inks a new deal. George and Lebron could both exercise their player options and walk in the Summer of 2018. A lot of risk there.
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Pumpkinhead said:

grapespda2525 said:

Did you watch game 1 of the WCF? Even warrior fans agree that SA was gonna win that game if pachulia didn't ruin everything with his cheap shot. I still think it would've been GSW in 6, but we will never know because of that ******.
I am hesitant to base how close the Spurs actually were to the Warriors this season based on basically 0.6 of one game.

I do agree that the Spurs probably win Game 1, but they may very well have lost the next 4 games once the Warriors woke up.


Worth looking at all games they played together while each team was healthy. It isn't a lot of data points, but it is the only data points we have.
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And even then, would it be enough to beat the warriors? The problem is the Warriors have 4 all stars. No one can afford 4 players like except how it worked out for the Warriors through drafting well.
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If only they could trade Thompson for PG13 instead. Pacers would never go for it, but that would be:

Kyrie
JR Smith
LeBron
Love
PG13
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Deluxe said:

Interesting from last night:

Lebron - 39 points on 15/27 shooting, +7
Irving - 38 points on 16/29 shooting, -8

When it's 1s vs 1s early in the game, the Cavs are pretty clearly able to hang with GS. But when you factor in the couple minutes Lebron has to sit (Cavs were -12 in the TWO MINUTES Lebron sat), plus the fact that he's a little more tired down the stretch from playing excess minutes, plus the fact that KD/Curry get their normal rest because the Warriors are rotating four all stars plus guys like Iggy and Livingston, it's just not a fair fight with <2 minutes to go.
It's not super surprising when you watch the games. Kyrie's brilliant offensively, and some of those drives and fast breaks are incredible, but he's just completely incompetent in a team defense set. For instance, last night he was guarding Klay Thompson on defense and they fed the ball into Zaza, who's the only player on the Warriors you really don't have to guard. Kyrie leaves Thompson to double Zaza, takes a wild swing at the ball (and misses), and Thompson makes a wide open 3 on the outlet pass. It's just a dumb mental mistake. He'll make an acrobatic layup, falling to the ground, going 1 vs 4 to give his team 2 points, and then give up a wide open 3 because he gets lost on a back cut at the other end.
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Irving is crazy talented but he plays really dumb on both ends. He's constantly lost on defense and wastes tons of possessions by dribbling for 18 seconds then launching a hopeless fade away from a foot inside the arc. He was fantastic (offensively) for most of game 3, but terrible in games 1 and 2. If I were the cavs, I'd consider trying to move him for a package including a veteran true PG.

The clips may be interested in a talented, flashy young point guard if they are trying to rebuild.

Imagine if the cavs could run an offense and defend competently against a legit playoff team while Lebron rests for 5-8 minutes per game. He might actually have some energy left for the last 5 minutes of the game.
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The Clips are more interested in LeBron, I bet.
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Gonna be a lot of free throws tonight, apparently.
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Damn these refs suck.
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The game may take longer to finish than the Aggie baseball game did.
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What a quarter
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Is Steve Kerr's belt buckle location a new trend? It's always pulled off to his right side, the opposite direction of a traditional gig line.
 
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