I hope that wasn't the last time we get to so Tony play...
If so...it was a great ride.
If so...it was a great ride.
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Ugh. I don't know if I can handle losing Tim, Manu, and Tony within a year.
I can't handle this. What a crappy way for Parker to go out (if he does). The guy was playing amazing ball this playoff. It wasn't quite prime-TP, but it was closer to prime than not.
I get a lot of you (not just here but Spurs fans in general) think Tony is a waste of space (for his salary) and all this other stuff. But like him or not, he has been a big part of our success for so many years, and he deserves better than a freak injury to be his last on the court memory. Just like I hate that the last thing we saw for Timmy's career was him walking off in OKC with his head down after a series-ending loss.
I don't know guys. I'm just sad I guess. I know we have guys that aren't into farewell tours and all that, so sometimes this is how these things end. But. ****. Tony deserves better. The guy is a star. He's been amazing and a joy to watch. He shouldn't have had this happen to him after 16 years.
I still care about this playoffs, but I'm feeling a lot of feels right now about TP. And while I think we can maybe gut out Houston...I don't see how we beat GSW AND Cavs without our tiny French general.
I get a lot of you (not just here but Spurs fans in general) think Tony is a waste of space (for his salary) and all this other stuff. But like him or not, he has been a big part of our success for so many years, and he deserves better than a freak injury to be his last on the court memory. Just like I hate that the last thing we saw for Timmy's career was him walking off in OKC with his head down after a series-ending loss.
I don't know guys. I'm just sad I guess. I know we have guys that aren't into farewell tours and all that, so sometimes this is how these things end. But. ****. Tony deserves better. The guy is a star. He's been amazing and a joy to watch. He shouldn't have had this happen to him after 16 years.
I still care about this playoffs, but I'm feeling a lot of feels right now about TP. And while I think we can maybe gut out Houston...I don't see how we beat GSW AND Cavs without our tiny French general.
You shut your face. Manu will play forever!!!
But I know what you mean.
Well, crap. Only injury exception i could think of recently was Bosh and i couldn't remember how long he was out.
If they can spread the contract out over 5 years, that would work. $3mm/year is nothing when cap is projected at 101mm.superunknown said:
Well, crap. Only injury exception i could think of recently was Bosh and i couldn't remember how long he was out.
Spurs stretched Duncan's over 3 years, for 1.8mm.
For next year:
Free agents:
Manu
Patty
Simmons
Can opt out:
Gasol (16mm)
Dedmon (3mm)
Lee (2.3mm)
Under contract:
LMAo 21.5mm
Klaw 18.8
Parker 15.4
Green 10
Kyle 2.1
Murray 1.3
Bertans 1.3
Forbes 1.3
Duncan 1.8 (dead money)
Jean-Charles 1.2 (cut, dead money)
That's 74mm in cap spent. If Parker can be stretched to 5 years, it would be 62mm. If stretched to 3y, it would be 64mm.
Manu got paid this year, so hoping he would do a vet min.
Patty will get paid and I think Dedmon may opt in. No clue about Gasol or Lee.
Some big name FAs, especially at areas of need. Chris Paul (I think he is too old to give him too much), Kyle Lowry, Millsap, Jrue, Georgie Hill, Teague, Rondo, etc.
Parker is a warrior and was carried off on his own shield after the battle. It's a damn respectable way to go out. He was playing great basketball and will be sorely missed. Need Mills to show he can step up and earn a starter contract, Murray needs to show flashes of his potential and Manu needs a couple flashback games. It's a big ask, but not impossible.
This sux for Tony. This round I think we see more Simmons and Pop will probably give Murray a shot. We'll see.
There is some positive for Spurs fans here.
1. If Murray gets PT that is great experience for him that he most certainly would not get if TONY doesnt get hurt.
2. The backcourt is bigger now no matter what direction Pop goes. That Patty and Tony backcourt that Pop trusts so much was seriously small.
3. I was convinced the Spurs would over pay TP on his next deal but now maybe not. Now I could see RC looking at FA PGS when there was no chance of that before. Hill back in SA would be greatness.
There is some positive for Spurs fans here.
1. If Murray gets PT that is great experience for him that he most certainly would not get if TONY doesnt get hurt.
2. The backcourt is bigger now no matter what direction Pop goes. That Patty and Tony backcourt that Pop trusts so much was seriously small.
3. I was convinced the Spurs would over pay TP on his next deal but now maybe not. Now I could see RC looking at FA PGS when there was no chance of that before. Hill back in SA would be greatness.
I really would have loved to see Tony have this playoff run where he's still playing at a high level, but it's tough to see him ever being the same again if he does come back at his age. Would have liked to see the GSW matchup with Kawhi playing like he is and Tony playing so well. I hope the Spurs still survive this round somehow, but it's almost impossible to beat the Warriors now.
Guitarsoup said:PLUM LOCO said:
I am with my daughter at rehab (knee) and the therapist said a "quad tendon" injury is really bad and very difficult to come back from. Not impossible but VERY VERY difficult.
Yep. What I found:Quote:
Boublik et al found in their studies that only 50 percent of the athletes with this injury returned to play.
I don't know much about A&P so I had to look it up. The quad tendon is what connects your quad (giant muscle on top of your thigh) to your knee cap. The patellar tendon is ruptured more often and that is what connects your knee cap to your shin (tibia). Most people rupture the patellar tendon, not the quad tendon.
This is one of the toughest injuries involving the knee to come back from. He would have been better tearing his ACL, MCL, PCL, or even his meniscus.
If part of the plan was for Tony to play out his contract and then hang it up, I'd hope they'd look at him retiring now due to medical and stretching that final year's pay out so we can get some cap relief next year.
I think the prospect of Tony rehabbing this, somehow coming back well enough to even be half of his old self would be tough.
If this is the end I'll have this memory of his final game:
Parker buries another 3! Rockets call time-out and the camera goes right to Tony. Tony gives a really cool / suave wink and point back at some fans. The TV broadcast begins to fade for commercial, but not before Tony stops in front of Pop. Pop, in his own special way, says about 1,000 words of praise with one simple gesture... he simply reaches up with an open palm and gives Tony a couple pats on his cheek while his fingers sorta embrace the side/back of his neck. Tony simply stood there and fully accepted the endearing approval of his coach.
No words need to even be said about why these guys have done what they've done, that 2 seconds between coach and player after a big bucket says it all!
Parker buries another 3! Rockets call time-out and the camera goes right to Tony. Tony gives a really cool / suave wink and point back at some fans. The TV broadcast begins to fade for commercial, but not before Tony stops in front of Pop. Pop, in his own special way, says about 1,000 words of praise with one simple gesture... he simply reaches up with an open palm and gives Tony a couple pats on his cheek while his fingers sorta embrace the side/back of his neck. Tony simply stood there and fully accepted the endearing approval of his coach.
No words need to even be said about why these guys have done what they've done, that 2 seconds between coach and player after a big bucket says it all!
I'll always remember being there for Game 5 of the 2014 Finals and getting to see the big three get #5...best memory for me as a Spurs fan.
For Timmy, Tony, and Manu...cheers!
For Timmy, Tony, and Manu...cheers!
I caught that as well and it really struck me at the time. I lost that in the subsequent game and his injury, etc. Thanks for saying something because that's a great moment to remember about what may be his last game..jr15aggie said:
If this is the end I'll have this memory of his final game:
Parker buries another 3! Rockets call time-out and the camera goes right to Tony. Tony gives a really cool / suave wink and point back at some fans. The TV broadcast begins to fade for commercial, but not before Tony stops in front of Pop. Pop, in his own special way, says about 1,000 words of praise with one simple gesture... he simply reaches up with an open palm and gives Tony a couple pats on his cheek while his fingers sorta embrace the side/back of his neck. Tony simply stood there and fully accepted the endearing approval of his coach.
No words need to even be said about why these guys have done what they've done, that 2 seconds between coach and player after a big bucket says it all!
This is the worst kind of irony.
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By playing Wednesday, Tony Parker broke the NBA record for consecutive games played in the playoffs. The previous record of 220 had been held by Parker's former teammate, Robert Horry, who did it with the Rockets, Lakers and Spurs, from 1993 to 2007 (source: Elias Sports Bureau)
I still can't believe Parker is out, how do you even injure yourself like that, his landing didn't look that bad
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I still can't believe Parker is out, how do you even injure yourself like that, his landing didn't look that bad
Consider he's been landing like that since he was 19.
As I understand it, quad tendon injuries often occur when jumping, meaning when you push off on the leg rather then when you come down and land on it.
LawHall88 said:
As I understand it, quad tendon injuries often occur when jumping, meaning when you push off on the leg rather then when you come down and land on it.
This is correct, for the most part.
If you watch the replay, Tony lands almost entirely on his non injured leg, and never really puts weight on it again. I think he felt it going up for the teardrop.
Even when Will Sevening came over to him, you could see him rubbing the area above the knee and calmly describing what was happening.
At first, I thought he had slammed knees with someone. Then, I thought he had cut sideways too hard and was looking at an ACL/MCL injury ala D. Rose.
Rockets -5 right now...
Talked to a sports medicine doctor last night. He said without seeing Parker, it is hard to know for sure, but it would take a miracle for him to play again. The quad tendon is difficult to repair.
Guitarsoup said:
Talked to a sports medicine doctor last night. He said without seeing Parker, it is hard to know for sure, but it would take a miracle for him to play again. The quad tendon is difficult to repair.
If Tony is really done, then I hope the Clips loss in the first round coupled by his age and likely losing some key pieces in L.A. will allow him to take a bit of a pay cut. CP3 to the Spurs makes too much sense for both sides.
Seems to be a common opinion:Guitarsoup said:
Talked to a sports medicine doctor last night. He said without seeing Parker, it is hard to know for sure, but it would take a miracle for him to play again. The quad tendon is difficult to repair.
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Q. So it sounds like even if Parker is able to make it back on the court next season, the chances of him returning the same player are slim?
"I don't ever put anything past these athletes," Bell said. "But you look at a guy at the tail of his career, to have a major injury like this, what is the likelihood he has the same spring and bounce he had before? Not great."
Q. When the injury occurred, many of us who saw it live and don't have medical degrees feared some sort of ligament injury, and MCL or an ACL or something. Would that have been better or worse or the same?
"If it was an MCL, there is some rehab we could do," Bell said. "We have a pretty good track record with ACLs now. I don't know the last NBA player to have this injury. I'd have to look it up. I hate to sound pessimistic. The reality is, this is a very, very tough injury for anybody. For an athlete that relies on his explosiveness, it's tough to overcome."
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/tony-parker-injury-status-11122746.php
My problem with Chris Paul is how expensive he will be and that he is on the back end of his career. He's at 910 games for his career, not including international. I'd consider Kyle Lowry over him. Same age, many less minutes played.GatorAg03 said:
If Tony is really done, then I hope the Clips loss in the first round coupled by his age and likely losing some key pieces in L.A. will allow him to take a bit of a pay cut. CP3 to the Spurs makes too much sense for both sides.
Either way, I think we get into a situation in a couple years where we are way overpaying. And that may be ok to prop open the window for the next two years.
After Curry, CP3 and Lowry, the drop off for PGs is steep. Jrue Holliday, George Hill, Rajon Rondo and Jeff Teague.
Assuming Gasol opts in for the second year of his deal, the Spurs won't have the money to get a big time free agent without shedding salary via trades. More likely they hold on to Mills and start grooming Murray to take the reins.GatorAg03 said:
If Tony is really done, then I hope the Clips loss in the first round coupled by his age and likely losing some key pieces in L.A. will allow him to take a bit of a pay cut. CP3 to the Spurs makes too much sense for both sides.
Parker's injury kind of screws with the timeline. The Spurs will have a lot of money after next season to rebuild around Kawhi, but can't do much to replace Parker for the upcoming season if it comes to that. I think the plan was to ride with this group one more season.
I'm not sure how expensive Chris Paul will be. At this point in his career, I'm sure he'd want to go to a contender and be a starter. How many other teams would fit that criteria?Guitarsoup said:My problem with Chris Paul is how expensive he will be and that he is on the back end of his career. He's at 910 games for his career, not including international. I'd consider Kyle Lowry over him. Same age, many less minutes played.GatorAg03 said:
If Tony is really done, then I hope the Clips loss in the first round coupled by his age and likely losing some key pieces in L.A. will allow him to take a bit of a pay cut. CP3 to the Spurs makes too much sense for both sides.
Either way, I think we get into a situation in a couple years where we are way overpaying. And that may be ok to prop open the window for the next two years.
After Curry, CP3 and Lowry, the drop off for PGs is steep. Jrue Holliday, George Hill, Rajon Rondo and Jeff Teague.
If we let Patty/Simmons walk and Dedmon, Lee and Gasol all opt in and the Spurs get to spread Parker's last year across 5 years, they could have 20mm to work with.LawHall88 said:Assuming Gasol opts in for the second year of his deal, the Spurs won't have the money to get a big time free agent without shedding salary via trades. More likely they hold on to Mills and start grooming Murray to take the reins.GatorAg03 said:
If Tony is really done, then I hope the Clips loss in the first round coupled by his age and likely losing some key pieces in L.A. will allow him to take a bit of a pay cut. CP3 to the Spurs makes too much sense for both sides.
Parker's injury kind of screws with the timeline. The Spurs will have a lot of money after next season to rebuild around Kawhi, but can't do much to replace Parker for the upcoming season if it comes to that. I think the plan was to ride with this group one more season.
Chris Paul's option is for 24mm, but he probably wants to get a 4-5 year deal now.
A max deal would start at $36mm/year for Chris Paul. Absolute insanity.
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Maximum salaries project to be $25.8 million for players with up to six years of experience, $30.1 million for those with seven to nine years and $36.1 million with 10 or more years.
Yea, it would have to be Paul willing to take a pay cut to chase a championship. No way Spurs can or will pay Max money and even if they could it would still be over 50 million less than the clips could pay him. No state tax and cost of living is cheaper in San Antonio but not sure that lifestyle appeals to Paul
At the end if the day the Spurs have a need and are one of the rare title contenders, does Paul want to get $20 million to chase a title or $36 million to be richer in LA with no real shot at a title. Who knows, but I can almost guarantee the Spurs reach out and find the answer.
At the end if the day the Spurs have a need and are one of the rare title contenders, does Paul want to get $20 million to chase a title or $36 million to be richer in LA with no real shot at a title. Who knows, but I can almost guarantee the Spurs reach out and find the answer.
i dont think trading patty and others away for chris paul is a good deal, maybe 5 years ago but not now
There is no way I would keep Patty and Simmons over signing Chris Paul. You take Chris Paul every single time in that scenario.
Gasol/Dedmon
LMAo/Lee/Bertrans
Kawhi/Anderson
Green/Manu?
Chris Paul/Murray
Then make backup wing a priority in the draft and free agency.
Maybe Tony Allen takes the vet min to chase a ring. Jose Calderon could be a nice spot shooter. Omri Casspi so Pop can get another random foreigner. Heck, Vince Carter. Pop always seems to pull a rabbit out of his hat to get production at a place of need for a few bench minutes.
Gasol/Dedmon
LMAo/Lee/Bertrans
Kawhi/Anderson
Green/Manu?
Chris Paul/Murray
Then make backup wing a priority in the draft and free agency.
Maybe Tony Allen takes the vet min to chase a ring. Jose Calderon could be a nice spot shooter. Omri Casspi so Pop can get another random foreigner. Heck, Vince Carter. Pop always seems to pull a rabbit out of his hat to get production at a place of need for a few bench minutes.
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