I'm glad David West picked the Spurs.
(Was going through old pics and found this gem from 2010.)
(Was going through old pics and found this gem from 2010.)
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Ray McCallum seems like he'll fit right in. Very similar to Cojo.
http://www.nba.com/spurs/ray-mccallum-dream-come-true
http://www.nba.com/spurs/ray-mccallum-dream-come-true
I knew Simmons when he was playing AAU ball and at Smiley. He didn't do everything right, but scouts have always salivated over his potential. I'm glad he's hung in there.
quote:This is odd criteria to list. Would Doc Rivers and Steve Kerr share 25 if it was retired? Does Vinny Del Negro get his number retired? Allan Bristow? Monty Williams?
And he did go on to be an HC
just thinking out loud, not trying to cause a fight or anything.
How many current Spurs deserve to have their number retired?
quote:Everyone on the '14 team.
How many current Spurs deserve to have their number retired?
Word.
Cool story about Simmons hearing the news.
http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/In-Simmons-Spurs-make-low-cost-roster-addition-6380771.php?t=290f77a71f927fc3fb&cmpid=twitter-premium#photo-8298514
http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/In-Simmons-Spurs-make-low-cost-roster-addition-6380771.php?t=290f77a71f927fc3fb&cmpid=twitter-premium#photo-8298514
I like the Simmons signing, assuming he is a legit NBA wing as his length, athleticism and summer league showing seems to indicate, over some of the old washed up options which had been mentioned. I just feel like during the interminable grind of the NBA regular season you need some youth and energy for those games when the old guys just don't have it. I also feel like having the young players around helps keep things fresh for the vets.
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How many current Spurs deserve to have their number retired?
We need a bronzed El Camino in the parking lot.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/matt-bonner-spends-nba-millions-chevrolet-impala-194706271--nba.html
I have the same pest control guy as Matt Bonner, he told me about the El Camino last year. Coach B lives in a pretty normal neighborhood, too... not one where you would typically see an El Camino, but nowhere near The Dominion, either.
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How many current Spurs deserve to have their number retired?
I never want another #21
quote:There will never be another Sidney Greenquote:
How many current Spurs deserve to have their number retired?
I never want another #21
Doubt anyone would have the balls to come in and try to take that number.
Can you imagine the guy that would try to be 23 for the Bulls post-Jordan?
Can you imagine the guy that would try to be 23 for the Bulls post-Jordan?
Not that I'm worried, but just curious - West isn't signed yet, right? If not, why? Are they still bringing someone else in?
I think it has to do with the order that they do things in to meet the cap requirements but I'm not completely sure.
I don't believe he has officially signed though.
I don't believe he has officially signed though.
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How many current Spurs deserve to have their number retired?
I never want another #21
Idk if that Timothy fellow has done sufficient work to have his number in the rafters tbh....
Let's wait and see if he lives up to his potential.
quote:Alvin Robertson or GTFO.quote:There will never be another Sidney Greenquote:
How many current Spurs deserve to have their number retired?
I never want another #21
except for all that woman beating underage sex trafficking stuff. seriously wtf Alvin? He carried my Spurs heart from Gervin to DRob.
quote:I actually grew up next door to Alvin and the Robertson family. My sister is still close to his daughters. It was interesting.quote:Alvin Robertson or GTFO.quote:There will never be another Sidney Greenquote:
How many current Spurs deserve to have their number retired?
I never want another #21
except for all that woman beating underage sex trafficking stuff. seriously wtf Alvin? He carried my Spurs heart from Gervin to DRob.
quote:More quadruple-doubles and DPOY awards than that other #21.
Alvin Robertson or GTFO.
quote:Only Quad-Double with steals.quote:More quadruple-doubles and DPOY awards than that other #21.
Alvin Robertson or GTFO.
So was he a good guy that just went down the wrong path or was he messed up from day one?
quote:As far as I know, he had temper issues long before I ever met him. Also he and his wife were pretty open with being unfaithful. But there were a couple Halloweens where he and I took my sister and his daughters trick or treating while his wife and my parents sat on the driveway passing out candy to kids and he was a lot of fun and good with the kids. He'd invite me to play HORSE or talk about basketball, where he was pretty open about talking about stuff, even though I didn't really have great tact as a 15 year old obsessed with the Spurs.
So was he a good guy that just went down the wrong path or was he messed up from day one?
I always got the impression that he was fairly smart, and knew the right way to act, but didn't really care about that in all situations. I never saw him angry or acting inappropriate in any way, but I also had cops knock on our door a couple times asking if we heard anything. They had bought the lot on the other side of their house, so we were their only neighbors.
And no, he never let me win at HORSE.
Fascinating. Seems like he was troubled a bit, or maybe DGAF about anything except hoops.
I love these little stories and insights. A buddy of mine was into the theater/arts scene in San Antonio back then and he told me this story (don't know how much is true, or how much of it I remember, but I'll tell what I do remember) that when Elliott was traded to the Pistons for Rodman, he sold (or maybe leased?) his house to Rodman. Sure enough, Elliott got traded back and Rodman asked Elliott if he wanted the house back. My buddy had wound up at a party there and said that a) the house was pretty much trashed, looked like it was a constant party/parade of people, food, drunks, anything goes and b) Rodman had this jacked up truck that he'd painted pink.
Elliott did not want the house back.
I love these little stories and insights. A buddy of mine was into the theater/arts scene in San Antonio back then and he told me this story (don't know how much is true, or how much of it I remember, but I'll tell what I do remember) that when Elliott was traded to the Pistons for Rodman, he sold (or maybe leased?) his house to Rodman. Sure enough, Elliott got traded back and Rodman asked Elliott if he wanted the house back. My buddy had wound up at a party there and said that a) the house was pretty much trashed, looked like it was a constant party/parade of people, food, drunks, anything goes and b) Rodman had this jacked up truck that he'd painted pink.
Elliott did not want the house back.
Hmm. I don't remember when Sean built his house on Sanctuary Dr in Inwood, but I was pretty sure he had it before he came back to SA. He had built in tanks in the walls for snakes and fish and iguanas and stuff. He also had a white BMW with some red/blue/black checkering that could burn rubber when he was already doing ~45mph. It is really possible that he had a place before that that he rented out, but he had a place in SA while he played for Detroit.
A group of about 50 people greeted him on his front lawn after he hit the Memorial Day Miracle. I have a MidWest Division Champs flag that he signed that day at my parent's house.
Sean used to offer to play the kids in Inwood in Sega Genesis. He kicked ass at everything from Mortal Combat to Madden to NBA Live.
One year he printed up fliers with a map to Doc Rivers' house and gave them out. At the top of the flier, it said "THIS IS DOC RIVERS' HOUSE. HE IS GIVING FULL SIZED CANDY BARS". Of course Doc wasn't, so he had his wife go out and buy several hundred dollars worth of candy at several stores because kids were showing up with those fliers.
A group of about 50 people greeted him on his front lawn after he hit the Memorial Day Miracle. I have a MidWest Division Champs flag that he signed that day at my parent's house.
Sean used to offer to play the kids in Inwood in Sega Genesis. He kicked ass at everything from Mortal Combat to Madden to NBA Live.
One year he printed up fliers with a map to Doc Rivers' house and gave them out. At the top of the flier, it said "THIS IS DOC RIVERS' HOUSE. HE IS GIVING FULL SIZED CANDY BARS". Of course Doc wasn't, so he had his wife go out and buy several hundred dollars worth of candy at several stores because kids were showing up with those fliers.
one of my best friends was a ball boy for the spurs, and has lots of stories of hanging out at Sean's house playing video games.
Granted, it's been 20 years so my memory is hazy on it and I honestly don't remember if my buddy heard the story first hand or heard it from someone else. The part I do know is that my buddy wound up at this party at Dennis Rodman's house and tales of the house were told. I thought you (Guitarsoup) might know more since you've always been (imo) basically the Texags Spurs curator. It was more of a Rodman story anyway and obviously the point of the story whoever told it was to contrast Rodman and Elliott. My brother's got a buddy who's pretty well connected in SA, writes for the Business Journal there among other things, and his stories pretty much corroborate with yours about Elliott.
I don't have many stories first hand, sadly. I did get to meet Antonio Daniels. He drives a really nice car.
I don't have many stories first hand, sadly. I did get to meet Antonio Daniels. He drives a really nice car.
I once had Antonio Daniels watch us play church league softball. We used to play out at Westover Hills, and he was in the stands at least once. Not sure if he went to church there, but everybody just treated him like a regular dude, which was nice to see.
quote:Yeah I was just trying to throw Avery a bone. He DID start for many seasons at PG and ran the team on the floor for many seasons, put up some nice assist numbers. (Obviously Kerr and Rivers didn't pile up the Spurs career stats or starts that Avery did.) He was a very serviceable many season starter at PG who hit a huge clutch shot to give the franchise its first title. It doesn't bother me that his number is retired, but he's borderline. I think he's got a better argument than Bowen.quote:This is odd criteria to list. Would Doc Rivers and Steve Kerr share 25 if it was retired? Does Vinny Del Negro get his number retired? Allan Bristow? Monty Williams?
And he did go on to be an HC
just thinking out loud, not trying to cause a fight or anything.
I've been dunked on by Devin Brown and Antonio Daniels. Both at the lifetime fitness on 281.
quote:I like Avery and what he's about a lot, and have even had a couple of great chats with him at games at Reed, but he was probably the weakest link as a starter on every Spurs team he played on. He was a good leader, but should have been a backup PG and was forced to play a major role on some flawed teams because of a lack of alternatives. And that "championship clinching shot" he hit wasn't exactly the Memorial Day Miracle: it was a wide open midrange shot hit with 47 seconds to go in game 5 of a series the Spurs were going to win unless the team plane crashed.quote:
He DID start for many seasons at PG and ran the team on the floor for many seasons, put up some nice assist numbers. (Obviously Kerr and Rivers didn't pile up the Spurs career stats or starts that Avery did.) He was a very serviceable many season starter at PG who hit a huge clutch shot to give the franchise its first title. It doesn't bother me that his number is retired, but he's borderline. I think he's got a better argument than Bowen.
Bowen was a great 3-and-D player. He was a supporting player, for sure, but to me at least his jersey represents something the Spurs teams of his era were about: defense and playing your role to perfection. He was elite at what he did, earning something like 7 all-NBA first or second team nominations during a long and consistently productive SA tenure.
By contrast, AJ was a journeyman player who was a good leader and starting PG essentially by default. He didn't do anything tangible particularly well at the NBA level.
I certainly wouldn't disagree with anyone who says neither should have had their jerseys retired, but I think it's a slam dunk for Bowen over Avery.
Frankly, I think the way to go for the Spurs at this point is to treat the jerseys not as being retired, but simply as an honor to good/favorite former Spurs, and allow the numbers to keep being used.
quote:I was terrified when he took that shot. I didn't think he could hit a wide open J from there. I don't know why, but I like Bowen's number up there more than Avery's. I guess in my eyes Bowen was a niche guy...but his niche was needed and he was the best 3 & D guy in the league before the league even knew it needed 3 & D guys. And I think Avery was a very serviceable many season starter at PG...and that he could have been replaced by a lot of different guys. I don't think Bowen could have.quote:quote:
He was a very serviceable many season starter at PG who hit a huge clutch shot to give the franchise its first title. It doesn't bother me that his number is retired, but he's borderline. I think he's got a better argument than Bowen.
I'm by no means a hardass about this. PATFO have forgotten more basketball today than I'll ever know.
I'd still like to see Brickowski's 43 up there though. Kidding.
Since we are telling good stories about the Spurs.
My uncle used to be the personal pilot for B.D. Holt (Peter's dad). B.D. had a Lear Jet that looked very similar to this with the weird tubes on the end that my uncle flew him (and sometimes Peter) around in.
My uncle and B.D were quite close to the point that B.D. would let my uncle take his jet on personal trips with my aunt and other family members. I had the fortune of once flying from San Antonio to College Station on his jet for an A&M Football game and got to sit in the cockpit for the return flight. This was in the late 80s or maybe very early 90s so I was pretty young at the time - between 8-12. I do vividly remember sitting in the cockpit at Easterwood and seeing a line of 30-40 aircraft in line waiting to take off and we got to pass them all and get straight on the runway. I asked my uncle why we got to cut and he said 'because this aircraft can move a lot faster than those aircraft."
From that point on, I was going to be a pilot. It hasn't happened to date, but I still love to fly and someday...
Years later, when the SBC Center first opened, Peter was standing at the entrance welcoming Spurs fans into the arena for a game that my dad attended. Peter didn't recognize us, but as soon as my dad mentioned that his brother used to be Peter's dad's personal pilot, he got a huge grin and said, "I'm not sure where you guys were sitting, but I've got some great seats for you. We ended up 3rd row, center court right behind the TV broadcasters.
My uncle used to be the personal pilot for B.D. Holt (Peter's dad). B.D. had a Lear Jet that looked very similar to this with the weird tubes on the end that my uncle flew him (and sometimes Peter) around in.
My uncle and B.D were quite close to the point that B.D. would let my uncle take his jet on personal trips with my aunt and other family members. I had the fortune of once flying from San Antonio to College Station on his jet for an A&M Football game and got to sit in the cockpit for the return flight. This was in the late 80s or maybe very early 90s so I was pretty young at the time - between 8-12. I do vividly remember sitting in the cockpit at Easterwood and seeing a line of 30-40 aircraft in line waiting to take off and we got to pass them all and get straight on the runway. I asked my uncle why we got to cut and he said 'because this aircraft can move a lot faster than those aircraft."
From that point on, I was going to be a pilot. It hasn't happened to date, but I still love to fly and someday...
Years later, when the SBC Center first opened, Peter was standing at the entrance welcoming Spurs fans into the arena for a game that my dad attended. Peter didn't recognize us, but as soon as my dad mentioned that his brother used to be Peter's dad's personal pilot, he got a huge grin and said, "I'm not sure where you guys were sitting, but I've got some great seats for you. We ended up 3rd row, center court right behind the TV broadcasters.
That's awesome.
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I once had Antonio Daniels watch us play church league softball. We used to play out at Westover Hills, and he was in the stands at least once. Not sure if he went to church there, but everybody just treated him like a regular dude, which was nice to see.
Did he have some Jims to go? Is think he'd prefer to eat at Jims but I guess you never know.
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