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http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/160161/spurs-partied-like-champs-after-game-7-duncan-carries-drunk-teammate-onto-bus.html

HA! I ****ing love these guys.

Favorite part is Timmy's "stfu" at 1:03 into the video.
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One player that I think might solve more than one problem is Monta Ellis. I know his free agency situation is a bit complex, but he would add a lot to our PG position. I see him as a poor man's Chris Paul. A better locker room environment might be just what he is looking for. Plus he won't be any worse than TP on defense.

Other free agents I like include Carrol and Milsap (nor for much more than currently paid). Matthews from Portland might be a decent value as well coming off an injury. Josh Smith for the rockets is another player that is underpaid that might fit in with a better culture and reigning in his hero ball tendencies.
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http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/160161/spurs-partied-like-champs-after-game-7-duncan-carries-drunk-teammate-onto-bus.html

HA! I ****ing love these guys.

Favorite part is Timmy's "stfu" at 1:03 into the video.
Sounds like we lost Patty.
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http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/160161/spurs-partied-like-champs-after-game-7-duncan-carries-drunk-teammate-onto-bus.html

HA! I ****ing love these guys.

Favorite part is Timmy's "stfu" at 1:03 into the video.
Sounds like we lost Patty.
I like how Tim looked the most ghetto out of everyone.

And Baynes looked hammered.
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Looks like they parties like it was nineteen ninety-nine (playoffs)
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Monta is not a PG, and definitely not a poor mans chris Paul. No comparison between the 2
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Monta is not a PG, and definitely not a poor mans chris Paul. No comparison between the 2
He has played both positions throughout his career and can run the pick and roll with lethality similar to Chris Paul. He also can get in the lane and finish at the rim which is something the Spurs desperately need. Lastly he can create his own shot (also similar to Paul) and would be a good player to have with the ball in his hands at the end of games (which Parker has never been great at).

I am not saying he is as good as Paul, but would bring similar attributes if he played PG for us. I also think he is a better shooter than his percentages indicate (look no further than our series a couple years back with the Mavs). He just takes some forced and bad shots that lower his %. If he actually bought into the Spurs system and filled a role (pick and roll, slash and hit the corner 3 and open jumper) he would be a pretty darn good addition. Especially if they could get him for less than they are paying Parker.

I would greatly prefer Parker return to previous form after an offseason of rest, but if the post season Parker is all we get now and he will steadily decline from there, then we need help at the PG position and Ellis can also help provide us some 2 guard offense if needed.

Either way, he would be on my short list if we decide to move Parker or if we strike out on elite bigs.
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I doubt we move Parker until Duncan retires AND he's just unwilling to work with the FO. Guy has helped bring in 4 rings. He's definitely not Duncan status in the FO, but he's not far below.

Unless of course he just can't play anymore at an NBA level. I don't think he's close to that yet. But he needs to start working on his jumper and being a facilitator vs a scorer if he's actually declining.
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I don't disagree with this sentiment. He makes a lot of money though and we need to strike while Duncan is still playing at an elite level.

If Duncan insists on him staying and he won't take a pay cut then so be it. All of the big 3 have taken less money than they could have over the years so maybe you reward that in the later years here. I would just hate to miss out on a guy that could get us over the hump for one more Duncan era championship as we stick with a broken down TP as our starting PG for the next 3 seasons.

We were abused at the PG position this series and Parker has a ton of miles and they all showed up this series. His shooting and facilitating have always been secondary portions of his game behind his ability to get in the lane and score in the paint. If that part of his game is gone, you are left with a defensive liability PG that can't create or stretch the defense. All he will have left is his mid range jumper and that is even inconsistent right now.

Maybe you still have room for a guy like Ellis and can still keep TP depending on who else we sign and let walk.

If I had to rank positions in dire need of upgrade it would be PG by a landslide followed closely by a big man to help Timmy.
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Glad u don't run the spurs bc you are clueless

Typing a bunch of words doesn't make you intelligent
+1.
Patty is awful on D? LOL No.
Splitter is soft and useless? Actually he's one of the best post defenders in the league (though his injury history worries me).
Danny Green should be getting minimum $$? Every GM in the NBA would take him at 7mil/year and at least a few are probably going to offer him 10 this offseason.

That just wasn't a very good breakdown.
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I'll trust the Spurs to determine if what is going on with Parker is declining abilities or just nagging injuries that could be solved with a re-tooling of whatever (rehab, workouts, rest, etc.). Similar to how Duncan dropped some weight and now appears to be a cyborg. Obviously Parker won't ever be like Duncan in that regard, since his game does require more athletic ability rather than basic basketball technique, but it may not be the end just yet. Or it could be. I don't really know, so I'll let RC, Pop, etc. decide that.

We've been needing a backup PG for a while. Patty is great, but he's more of a shooter than a creator/slasher. CoJo just isn't dangerous or reliable enough offensively to be that guy. He's getting there though, but no clue if he could get to a satisfactory backup PG level for us. I don't know if we'll be able to bring in the heir apparent for Parker. We may have to get lucky in the draft there because no young, talented, in-demand PG is going to come and play behind what could be, no one knows yet, a declining TP this year for the money we have.

Unlike some of y'all, I'm not concerned about Kawhi other than him being slightly injury-prone. Parker and Manu didn't come in right away to be the "guys". They had Duncan who let them take the seasons they needed to get there. Kawhi is getting there. I feel like if he played more earlier this year, he would be even further along than he is now. But he needs to realize that he has the advantage over most of the guys who guard him and take them to the rim. He's a good jump shooter, but not as good as he believed he was this playoff series.

All of that said, he's a max player. He's elite defensively and has improved offensively since he's been here. You see glimpses of how good he can be and that's without a full season of NBA play the last couple of years. His attitude is the type the Spurs organization wants for their stars. He's young. He's long. You pay the man. We paid Duncan, and we will pay Kawhi.

Tiago and Danny may be the odd guys out here. I love both, but DG is the priority over Tiago for me. He and Kawhi make up a scary defensive duo, and DG has gradually gotten to be a more consistent offensive threat. He needs to work on different areas of his game, sure, but to me, he's a priority keep. That said, I doubt we will be able to pay him what he's worth on the open market, so I hope he'll take less to stay.

Tiago, on the other hand, I love what he can bring to the team, when healthy. But, with Duncan (it seems most likely) staying but still 39, we need a better, more consistent offensive threat in the post. Tiago is great at the various things he does well, but it feels like we've been waiting forever for him to play at the level we know he's capable of consistently and it just doesn't happen. He feels like the most likely candidate to be traded to me. Or he should be at least. The guy is good and has value, and now could be a good time to capitalize on that.

All of that said, all my opinion and I admittedly don't pay close attention to other players/teams, the salary cap, player worth, etc. Just how I feel after watching this year.
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http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/160161/spurs-partied-like-champs-after-game-7-duncan-carries-drunk-teammate-onto-bus.html

HA! I ****ing love these guys.

Favorite part is Timmy's "stfu" at 1:03 into the video.
Holy hell they were all schnockered. That video is hilarious. Love that Tim is in a beater. Also seems like Baynes is a pretty happy drunk.
(talking to Tim and Baynes) "You all played great."
(Baynes looks over, makes eye contact, grins) "Thanks man!!"
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Parker has played 1200 NBA games and logged about 40,000 minutes. That's a hell of a lot. Especially for a guy that relies primarily on his explosiveness and speed for his game to be effective. Plus he has a lot of international ball stuff on top of that.

Parker is 11th in playoff minutes all time, just behind Jordan. 350 more playoff minutes and he passes Jordan, Wilt, Russell and Magic for 7th.

I said it last year, but I think the injuries are more of a symptom. Parker's explosiveness just isn't there anymore. Too many miles.
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Spurs just need to figure out what Manu/Tim are going to do first. A lot of the flexibility will depend on what they decide and how much $ they will be getting if they do decide to stay.

Obviously Kawhi is priority #1. Danny's situation is a lot murkier. If the Spurs are truly going to try and be players in FA with guys like Aldrdige/Gasol, etc then the numbers are going to be extremely tight regarding the rest of the team. If Aldridge truly prefers SA like some reports, then a S&T with Portland is certainly possible and could benefit all parties involved.

It appears that this is going to be a very interesting free agency for the Spurs though. A team that typically likes to do nothing is going to be forced to make a lot of decisions this off-season.
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It's pretty incredible that Manu and Parker wore out before Duncan. Tim is truly amazing. Hope we can get just one more year from the legend but get him some added help at the same time.
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What's crazy is the Spurs have played into the month of June since 2012. That's a hell of a lot of games for our older guys.

I bet once the disappointment of losing wore off, they were probably looking forward to a long summer vacation.
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Parker has played 1200 NBA games and logged about 40,000 minutes. That's a hell of a lot. Especially for a guy that relies primarily on his explosiveness and speed for his game to be effective. Plus he has a lot of international ball stuff on top of that.

Parker is 11th in playoff minutes all time, just behind Jordan. 350 more playoff minutes and he passes Jordan, Wilt, Russell and Magic for 7th.

I said it last year, but I think the injuries are more of a symptom. Parker's explosiveness just isn't there anymore. Too many miles.
I couldn't agree more. It is concerning to say the least. Parker's health has been a major question mark for 3 straight postseasons. He really needs a reduced role like Manu had the last couple of years. If Parker comes off the bench or only plays 25 or so minutes a game then great, but to expect him to play at a high level at PG and guard and go toe to toe with the elite PGs that you face in the playoffs is probably unrealistic.

Look at the teams left in the playoffs. Everyone besides the rockets have a PG that is playing at a much higher level than TP and the rockets have an elite ball handler in Harden that plays a similar roll as an elite PG. It is a critical element, especially in a pass 1st offense that relies on pick and roll, ball movement and breaking down defense and kicking out for 3. This is position 1 to upgrade this offseason if the Spurs want to make a run, rather that be by getting Parker to turn back the clock or bringing in some new blood.
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I dunno. I don't disagree necessarily, but I don't think it's priority #1 this offseason. I would personally put it at #3. The first is obviously Kawhi. The second I would still put at finding a top big in his prime to bring in. The main reason a top PG is behind a top big? I just think there are fewer big men who would fit what the Spurs want to do offensively/defensively and in the locker room. So, scarcity pushes a big to the front of the line.

I also don't see how you bring in a top PG right now with Parker still taking mostly starter's minutes. If we want a guy to fill Parker's shoes, he will want to start or get paid a lot, neither of which can be given yet. I think this year would be a great year to find a PG that could be your guy in a few years via the draft, though that's easier said than done.
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There just aren't great PGs available right now. Rondo is an obvious no. Dragic would fit great offensively, but he is a black hole on defense. Pop knowing his home language may help as would the international culture of the Spurs, but I think Dragic wants to be paid.

Reggie Jackson played great for Detroit. No three point shot, and I think Detroit is going to pay him.

Patrick Beverly would be ok, except with him, Green and Leonard, there is no one that can run the offense.

Maybe bring Sergio Rodriguez over from Spain.

You could use a guy that is a combo like Monta Ellis, because Danny could guard the points if you wanted.

There just aren't many ball handlers available for the Spurs to take to let Tony take a reduced role. And Tony already only played 28mpg this year.
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Think he banged her in the bathroom?

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I consider Leonard a formality. He is getting max money, so I don't really consider that a decision. Obviously trying to convince Duncan to come back is also a top priority, but I also think that is a no brainer.

If you can get a game changing player so say Gasol or Aldridge then I agree you take it and run, but if you look at this team objectively without necessarily looking at who is available via free agency I think PG play was the biggest deficiency and the reason we are going fishing early this year.

I agree with you Guitar, in that there aren't a whole lot of great PG options out there which is why I mentioned Ellis.

I would absolutely go after a homerun like LA, Gasol or even Jordan or Millsap with our cap space, but I tend to think the big names are unlikely. If that's the case and you have some cash to spend, might as well keep Green for around $8-10 million and give a guy like Ellis 10-12 million. That leaves Ellis, Parker, Mills, Manu (if he signs vet Min), Green and Belli (if he comes cheap) to hold down the PG and SG duties, which add a slasher, pick and roll shooter and combo player to help with ball handling and end of game situations. Basically he would take on what Manu was in years past.

I just don't know how you can compare what the Clips got out of Paul and what we got out of Parker and not be concerned. It was by far the biggest difference of the series.
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What's crazy is the Spurs have played into the month of June since 2012. That's a hell of a lot of games for our older guys.

I bet once the disappointment of losing wore off, they were probably looking forward to a long summer vacation.
The last three years have been a hell of a run. Truly remarkable.

Pop touched on this topic in his exit interview today as well. Directly mentioned that the team has an extra 45 days of rest this season. That should definitely be a good thing for us, especially guys like Tony.
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One last Q&A with Gregg Popovich:

No Spurs players were made available for interviews on Monday as the team broke up for the summer following its elimination from the playoffs by the L.A. Clippers. What we got instead was a 14-minute session with coach Gregg Popovich in his last availability of the 2014-15 season.

You have always maintained no team wins a title unless fully healthy for playoffs. Did you feel your team entered playoffs a little bit behind in that regard?
"I almost hesitate to answer that question because it sounds like an excuse but nobody wins a championship every year. Everybody wants to win one. Very few do. The bottom line was it was a real difficult year for us in a lot of ways but injury and schedule coincided to put us behind the eight ball a little bit. We recovered at the end of the year, had to dig down pretty deep to finish as well as we did and I think going into playoffs we certainly weren't as healthy as we wanted to be in a few different cases.
"During the first round we needed to get some better performances from three or four people, very frankly. But that happens. When you do you win championships. The year we lost to Miami we didn't have more than maybe two people who had real consistent play and Miami had four or five guys that were really on top of their games. The following year they had a couple and we had four or five guys on top of their games, fully healthy.
"That's what it takes. But I think our guys gave it a great shot and considering the run they've been on, both long-term for decades and the last three years with Conference Finals, Finals, Finals that takes a toll. It's hard to do and then followed by a pretty difficult year this year I don't think we were as sharp, mentally and certainly physically, as we have been in the past. Given that I was really proud of them, especially in Game 7, the way they came back and dug down deep. It's a great group and the run has been wonderful."
Even with all those struggles was there ever a point in the year, especially late when you started to rip off some wins, that you felt you had gotten to the point you needed to be at to have a chance to win another title?
"Yeah, just before Tiago got hurt again. We got him back and we had our lineup. We were healthy and made that run down the stretch and then he got hurt again and went down. Then we didn't get him back until the beginning of the playoffs and I thought that really hurt us, rotation-wise and health-wise.
"To go all the way a lot of things have to go in your favor. It could be a ref's call. It could be an injury, it could be somebody having a great night. It's very difficult to do."
Anything surprise you about the season?
"As far as players are concerned I don't know if it's quite a surprise but I continue to be amazed by Tim Duncan. He was our most consistent player in the playoffs, at 39. He needed a little more help and I feel badly he didn't get it. It wasn't for lack of trying.
"To watch him is pretty spectacular, in itself. Even our players shake their heads at his performance at both ends of the floor. He wants it badly and does it the right way. It's not about bells and whistles and grunting and dancing and doing commercials and all of that stuff. He just does it quietly and that's why we feel badly when we don't get it done for him."
Do you see a scenario where he returns?
"We haven't talked yet about that. We've got a pretty good number of free agents so with R.C. and the coaches and the group we've talked about what we want to do going forward with the makeup of the team but the team will probably look considerably different than it looks this year because we have so many free agents and we want to re-tool a little bit.
"We want to try to start not exactly over again but these last four seasons have been a grind and we put the team together with that in mind, that this year we'd have all the free agents so we can decide what we want to do moving forward, as far as the makeup of the team. So we'll spend a lot of time on that but as far as if guys are retiring or not we haven't touched that."
What's the next step for Kawhi Leonard?
"Consistency. As Kawhi progresses now, it's a matter of understanding that it will be expected night after night after night, both at the defensive and offensive end. Good solid, consistent plays that leads his team in those categories. Time will tell if he can do it. I'm confident that he can, but we still have to see.
"This summer will be real important for him. It's really going to be the first summer he's going to be able to do anything and work on his game. He seems to have these things. Last year it was his knee. That sort of thing. It will be a good summer for him."
Are you invigorated with the prospect of change?
"I wish practice started next week. You do this for so long, you know what kind of film you want to show them in September, things you want to work on. It's just a way a coach's brain works. It's probably best to take a break for a while and not do anything. I'll try to do that."
Do you feel confident that the team has been able to maintain flexibility without mortgaging the future?
"R.C. and his group have always done a great job of doing things, both frugally and with class. If money needs to be spent, it's spent. But it's never done unwisely. We've never put the organization in a situation where they're paying a ridiculous amount of money for no value. My complete faith and trust in R.C. is never going to change, because of the track record he has, thinking not just for the next year and the next two years, but the next three years, the next seven years, that type of thing."
Can you reflect on Tim, Tony, Manu
"As time goes on, one certainly does. Over the past couple of years, I've thought about it a lot how much I'll miss it when they're all gone. It's like your family. Sure. I reflect on it quite often, and think about when they're not there. I just have this strange feeling when they're not here, I probably won't be either."
Have you spoken to Doc Rivers since Game 7?
"I'm really happy for those guys. They're in their prime, with their talent level and everything. New ownership, and guys like Blake and Chris trying to progress further than they have in the past. I'm happy for them. Somebody thought that was weird the other day. How can you be happy, you lost? If you can't be happy for somebody else's success, I think you're pretty small. It doesn't deflate you if somebody else has success. Sure, I'm sad we lost, but I think you can still be happy for somebody else."
What's your biggest motivation for coming back?
"Biggest motivation? I want a job. I want to work. You can only plant so many tomatoes. Lord."
Will you continue to watching the playoffs?
"You know I'm going to watch Golden State, with Steve there. I'm going to watch the Clippers, since they beat us. I'm going to watch Chicago, because Thibodeau's a friend. I'm going to watch the Hawks because of Bud. I've been around so long, I know all these guys. It's fun to watch them all play."
Will the offseason be pretty big for Tony, just to heal up?
"I think so. Tony didn't have the year he wanted to have. He's had a lot of good ones. I can tell you he's already thinking about what he wants to do with his body for next season. So I'm thrilled about his outlook already after a tough loss."
Is that the silver lining, not just for Tony but the other older players, having a longer time to recuperate?
"It's the first time I can remember in a long time that we've got 45 extra days of vacation. We're going to use it wisely and take advantage of it. If you wanted to be hypothetical, you can extrapolate a bit and think about, if we had won that game, how much longer could we have gone, with the tank being a little bit empty, I think. Especially mentally. It is what it is, and we'll move on."
Do you anticipate any changes to the intentional foul rule?
"There will be a lot of discussion about the fouling, as there should be. But principle-wise, I fee' really strongly that it's a tactic that can be used. If someone can't shoot free throws, that's their problem. As I've said before, if we're not allowed to do something to take advantage of a team's weakness, a trade should be made before each game. 'We won't foul your guy, but you promise not to block any of our shots.' Or, 'We won't foul your guy, and you allow us to shoot all uncontested shots.'
"So we'd have to make a trade. On an intellectual or principle basis, I think you're on high ground. Now, visual-wise, it's awful. It couldn't be worse. I tend to side on the principle side where it's basketball, and if we have a guy who can't shoot and it's an important part of the game, I should probably get him off the court. We'll see how it comes out. I'm sure the way it looks will be discussed very seriously by the league."
What about playoff seeding?
"Division leaders (getting a top four seed) will be discussed I'm sure. Everybody asks about the top 16 teams (being re-seeded, regardless of conference) all the time. I honestly yield to the intelligence of the league on that. They've got a lot of good minds up there and you know they've thought about it. If they haven't done it yet I'm sure there's a good reason. I'm sure economics is a big part of it, or travel or whatnot. If they thought it would work, they would do it."
"Before I go, I'd like to thank the hundreds of fans who were at the airport. It actually made me feel worse, to be honest, with how much they enjoy the players and the Spurs. It was really heartfelt and gratifying, but it really made us feel like we let them all down. So it was a double-edged sword. But thank you very much."
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Coming here to post that. Fantastic read.
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I want another year of Pop and the big three after reading that!
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Pop isn't going anywhere yet after reading that. Plus, he will be entering year 3 of his recent 5 year extension. Really hope Tim comes back. Don't see any reason why he wouldn't. He was still very effective on the court this season. Manu is the one that I could see calling it quits. He just seems to be mentally drained from the game and is obviously looking forward to life after basketball more than the rest of the guys. On the plus side though, he was pretty pain free/injury free for almost the entire year this season which is pretty surprising and could help him decide for one more run at it.
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Pop and Timmy - I dunno, I have no words. What a great Q&A with Pop. Now I wish I went (stayed if they flew into SAT since I was there) to the airport.

I'll be sad if Manu retires. But I will be even sadder if he goes on past the point he feels useful. The guy was a crazy competitor and I just don't want to see him fall any harder than he has. If he feels like he can be useful, then I'll cheer for him as hard as I ever have, but I will be okay whenever this group decides to break up. As a fan, I can't ask for anymore than what has already been given the last decade or so.
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OK. Since you guys called me out:

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Except here we are, at Game 82, and the Spurs still haven't settled on their backup point guard. Since Dec. 28, when Patty Mills returned from rehabbing off-season rotator cuff surgery, he's played 791 minutes, to Cory Joseph's 708. Mills was given every chance to win the job in March so that the Spurs could return to the rotation they won the championship with, but he shot so poorly, 32.9 percent for the month, that Gregg Popovich had no choice but go back to Joseph in April.
If you go by the individual numbers, it's really no contest. Joseph is shooting 50.5 percent, to Mills' 37.2. He's even out-shooting him from deep, 36.4 percent (better than Leonard, Ginobili and Diaw as well) to 33.7 percent for Mills. Joseph gets far more rebounds, more assists, is four times as likely to block a shot and has almost identical steal and turnover rates to his Australian mate. He's bigger, stronger and the scrappier defender. Joseph has a 15.6 PER to Mills' 12.5, and his Win Shares Per 48 is .152 to Mills' .079.
The advance team metrics are even more damning for Mills. He has the worst net rating among the regulars, at -3.0, according to RealGM.com. It's actually closer to -4 according to my favorite stats database and yours, basketball-reference.com. Ironically, while Joseph has a slightly better defensive rating than Mills according to those sites, where he really pulls away is in offensive rating. It's 115.2 for Joseph to 101.6 for Mills. (I really have no idea what's up with NBA.com's numbers, where Mills is a defensive superstar.)
Perhaps the best way to look at Joseph and Mills is within the context of the teammates they're most likely to be playing with, and that's Ginobili, Diaw and Marco Belinelli.
Mills has gotten more of a chance with them, and has done quite well, according to NBAWowy.com, with a 100.8 offensive rating and a 89.4 defensive rating over 119 minutes together. That's a 11.4 net.
However, in 68 minutes together since Mills has been active, the quartet of Joseph, Ginobili, Diaw and Belinelli have managed an offensive rating of 112.4 and a vice-like 78.3 defensive rating, for a net of 34.1.
When put that way, it seems like a no-brainer. What sets Joseph apart from Mills is that he gives the second unit a secondary penetrator alongside Ginobili (or even a third one if they're out there with Leonard). That helps get opponents scrambling as the Spurs move the ball from side to side, and that's what opens up seams in the defense. Joseph's penetration was a key factor in the Spurs 16-4 run against the Suns on Sunday evening. Mills is active too and jets all around the perimeter, but he doesn't give you that drive-and-kick threat, let alone make layups.
Popovich wasn't too forthcoming when asked what roles he has in mind for Joseph and Mills, saying only, "They're backup point guards," and when pressed further, "Who plays depends on what I feel I need."
In that vein, it makes sense to turn to Joseph more often than not. He's the steadier of the two. With the Spurs starters figuring to control the stretches of games they're in there, all the reserves have to do is mind the store and not give up leads. Joseph, playing off Ginobili and Diaw, will do that. He's a superb mid-range shooter, a strong finisher, and he'll make people work to score.
Where you turn to Mills for then, is when you need a spark. When the team is lifeless and stagnant and nobody seems capable of hitting a shot. Sure, the odds are that Mills won't hit them either, but he's capable of getting hot at any moment and can score a bunch of points in a hurry. It's a desperation move, when you've got nothing to lose.
http://www.poundingtherock.com/2015/4/14/8408911/cory-joseph-should-play-playoffs" class="postlink " target="_blank">http://www.poundingtherock.com/2015/4/14/8408911/cory-joseph-should-play-playoffs
That was from 4/14.

Splitter could barely function against Jordan. Had same problem with Howard. He's great against guys that won't push him around, but when they start moving him and blocking that soft fade away, he's done. Mentally soft.

If someone wants to pay Green that kind of money let them. The Spurs have been happy to let players like Green go in the past. You can't count on him and he's a one trick pony.
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Green is one of the best perimeter defenders in the NBA. Him and Kawhi makes for the best defensive backcourt in the league. That paired with his ability to shoot makes him into a 7M/yr+ player easily. Spurs should do everything possible to keep him. Just hope he doesn't get some outrageous offers.
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And yet Mills was our best offensive threat against the Clippers. Danny Green was our 2nd most consistent contributor this season behind Duncan. And Tiago has shown he can hang with physical players, except when he's injured...which unfortunately has been pretty often and must be a concern.

The fact that Danny Green will most likely command a serious contract on the open market tells you he has value in this league. He's no more a one trick pony than Bowen, who made a long and successful career of his "tricks" with the Spurs.

CoJo is good. But he doesnt provide the offense Patty has when healthy. I honestly wish we could see Pop play them both on the 2nd unit, CoJo as the slasher and Patty as the ball mover and outside shooter, but unfortunately their size just isn't there to defend the other team's 2 guard.
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I just don't think a lot of teams have a use for Danny Green. He can only play SG. He can't create plays or create his own shot. Great defender and excellent shooter.

But you have to combine him with a playmaker PG. He won't succeed unless he is in a system designed to get him open looks and play defense and do nothing else. How many teams run a system like that for their starting SG?
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Him and Kawhi makes for the best defensive backcourt in the league.


And yet Reddick and Paul went for 38 and 41 in the last two games shooting 49% from the floor. And Barnes kicked in another 17 going 7-13 in just 28 mins Saturday night. We'll just not mention Crawford.

I mean, I'm sorry, but the numbers just don't support it. In that disaster in New Orleans, Green didn't take a single shot in 18 mins. Total non-factor. That embarrassment in New York? 3-12 for 8 pts in 34 mins.

So if someone wants to give him $10M, have at it. He joins Neal and Hill as players that were OK and got paid...someplace else.
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And yet Mills was our best offensive threat against the Clippers.


In a series that WE LOST!!! Like saying he was the shiniest turd.
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And yet Mills was our best offensive threat against the Clippers.


In a series that WE LOST!!! Like saying he was the shiniest turd.
Do you honestly watch any Spurs games?
 
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