*****Official United States of America vs Bosnia & Herzegovina WC 2026 Thread*****

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They can appeal the red card, right?
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Wheatables02 said:

They can appeal the red card, right?

Yes but I doubt they'll overturn it.
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Belgium not unlike Holland really did not look like they really wanted it. Lukaku is a beast of a player. Strange it is the old guys like Kane and Lukaku that are lifting their teams
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agracer said:

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oldarmyag95 said:

how can an accident be a red card



Intent is not a consideration


Yes it is, but it's not the sole consideration.

FIFA says the following BUT there is also a list of considerations and intent is in there

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Sending-off offences
A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:

denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a deliberate handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)

denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a non-deliberate handball offence outside their own penalty area

denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)
serious foul play
biting or spitting at someone
violent conduct
using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s)
receiving a second caution in the same match
entering the video operation room (VOR)


I don't have the considerations in front of time, but it's in there.


FWIW here is the law.

Serious foul play
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

They are going with endangers the safety of an opponent but in truth there are a ton tackles that meet that bar that don't get called.
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Wheatables02 said:

They can appeal the red card, right?


I believe so, but apparently the bar for overturning is very high, so I don't expect anything to happen.
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Peter Piper said:

Wheatables02 said:

They can appeal the red card, right?

Yes but I doubt they'll overturn it.

FIFA never does unless it was egregious.
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Except it was more a coming together than anything else. Balo was looking at the ball, not attempting a tackle. He had every right to be i. That space as well and just had an unfortunate landing spot
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AustinScubaAg said:

agracer said:

agsalaska said:

oldarmyag95 said:

how can an accident be a red card



Intent is not a consideration


Yes it is, but it's not the sole consideration.

FIFA says the following BUT there is also a list of considerations and intent is in there

Quote:

Sending-off offences
A player, substitute or substituted player who commits any of the following offences is sent off:

denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a deliberate handball offence (except a goalkeeper within their penalty area)

denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing a non-deliberate handball offence outside their own penalty area

denying a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent whose overall movement is towards the offender's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick (unless as outlined below)
serious foul play
biting or spitting at someone
violent conduct
using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or action(s)
receiving a second caution in the same match
entering the video operation room (VOR)


I don't have the considerations in front of time, but it's in there.


FWIW here is the law.

Serious foul play
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

They are going with endangers the safety of an opponent but in truth there are a ton tackles that meet that bar that don't get called.



This is literally a case of slowing down play in review and making it looking awful. At regular speed, every single person on earth knows what happened. A yellow. That's it. End of story.
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Enrico Pallazzo
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Yeah, it was legit just a fluke tangle-up. It's egregious in my book, but won't be in King of Corruption FIFA's book
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There's not an appeal process after the game has ended. That said, they can still review and fix it. But they won't
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Enrico Pallazzo said:

Yeah, it was legit just a fluke tangle-up. It's egregious in my book, but won't be in King of Corruption FIFA's book


Certainly a far cry from Torsten ****ing Frings.
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scd88 said:




FIFA always says this federations will still appeal. One key thing here is there will be a review to determine the length of suspension. It is really that process the hope to influence (though again not likely to happen)because they are allowed by regulations to overturn the red. I have no believe anything will come of that. Heck I could see FIFA being dumb and giving a 3 game ban.
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That's cool but looks very lame compared to other countries' celebrations. We will get there one day. If there is a video of the Seattle celebration I bet it's much better.
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Belgium has far more quality players than anyone we've faced so far, but they just mightily struggled with Senegal and our squad looked great against Senegal right before this tournament. Their 0-0 draw with Iran and 1-1 draw with Egypt in the group stage suggests they're really struggling right now as well.

I think I'd consider Haji over Pepi for that one though.
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Lolz. Go away
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scd88 said:





I thought you could appeal to the FIFA Disciplinary committee but according to an article The Athletic posted, there is no option for an appeal.


According to The Athletic, the 1 match ban is automatic and FIFA can choose to extend the ban to more games.

So it sounds like Balogun is out against Belgium no matter what, and there is a chance (hopefully not much of one) that it could be extended past one match.
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I've watched at least 20 games and the only 2 red cards I've seen were for talking **** with the hand over the mouth.
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I think there were three red cards in that opening match between South Africa and Mexico.
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oh no said:

I think there were three red cards in that opening match between South Africa and Mexico.


Ok. Well I didn't watch that one lol
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I'm a die hard USA fan. But please compare that to the videos in Mexico or any other country the last few weeks. That video just shows people clapping a little. It's not insane like any other country.

The Knicks finals videos are much crazier than that.
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It sucks because the contact was completely accidental and part of a regular play, but the video is what it is. It looked really really bad.

This team wins on chaos and willpower though, so next man up.
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mavsfan4ever said:

I'm a die hard USA fan. But please compare that to the videos in Mexico or any other country the last few weeks. That video just shows people clapping a little. It's not insane like any other country.

The Knicks finals videos are much crazier than that.


Hey, those beers were probably $20. You want people to just throw them on each other?
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SpreadsheetAg said:


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lol they can chug them and then go crazy. I'm good with that.
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mavsfan4ever said:

I'm a die hard USA fan. But please compare that to the videos in Mexico or any other country the last few weeks. That video just shows people clapping a little. It's not insane like any other country.

The Knicks finals videos are much crazier than that.


Go away. Eff off. No one cares what you think
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JDUB08AG said:

I've watched at least 20 games and the only 2 red cards I've seen were for talking **** with the hand over the mouth.

There have been some red cards for DOGSO, like against South Africa in their game with Mexico.

And whether you think the "covering your mouth" thing is dumb or not, it was made crystal clear to every player on every team that this was going to be an automatic red card. The Ecuador player last night was clearly like, "Screw it, we already lost and now this Mexican is going to hear what I think about su madre."

What got called tonight, OTOH, could probably be called in more games than not.

Hard to say how much is FIFA corruption-there's obviously a double standard in that there is no way in hell they would call that against Messi, but whether they are actively trying to screw the US versus using replay for things it really shouldn't be used for in the first place is harder to say, IMO.

I think replay in soccer (and college football, and the NBA) should only be used to overturn ejections, not create them when they weren't seen on the field of play.
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So apparently they werent even supposed to use slo-mo or stills for this sort of VAR, thats only for 'facts' like out of bounds or goals.
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Jackal99 said:

Nice, uhm, sunglasses.


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annie88 said:






There's the global politics reason for this.

There's the racial reason for this.

There's the "Refs are dumb as ****" reason for this...

You can PROBABLY discount #3 because they did review it. I say probably because of the premise - Refs are dumb as *****

I doubt it was #2, racial, since there are lots of players from all races playing on all the teams...




And so...

Perhaps...it might be #1...

Who knows...


Other than that was a ****TY call to make it a red card.



And JFC. I'm pissed, because I don't really like soccer, unless it's the US playing. So making me care this much is annoying!
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