I hate the offseason.

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lightening,

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(I figgered you had just misread it, but, it's getting pretty obvious...)

So...

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The report doesn't say anything about Sherrill not knowing about the infractions.

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I don't see how the report could get any CLEARER!

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"These violations, for the most part, appear not to have been discovered by the director of athletics..."

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OK... OK... he didn't "appear" to "discover"

GEEZ LOUISE! SEMANTICS!

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The report doesn't say anything about systems failing, it reads:

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these systems did not, in fact, function in a manner that gave the institution appropriate control of its intercollegiate football program.

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OH JEEZ!- "did not.. function" IS EQUIVALENT TO "failed".

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Here is exactly how the 1988 Texas A&M Infractions Report, dated September 8, 1988, states the infractions involving Jackie Sherrill:

"8. During the 1986-87 academic year, a prospective student-athlete was contacted in person, off campus for recruiting purposes on two occasions by a representative of the university's athletics interests; further, at a meeting a few days before the date for signing a National Letter of Intent, the representative offered an improper recruiting inducement (an automobile at a discount rate) to the young man, and finally, the head football coach, who also was the director of athletics, became aware of the representative's activities, but did not report this information to the NCAA enforcement staff. Although the director of athletics told another university administrator about this incident, he failed to inform the administrator of the university's duty to report this violation to the NCAA."

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WOW! Pretty clear that Sherrill REPORTED the incident to whom he THOUGHT he SHOULD.

VINDICATED!

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"10. During the 1984-85 academic year, while recruiting a prospective student-athlete, the head football coach and an assistant football coach contacted the prospect in person, off campus in excess of the permissible three occasions at the young man's high school. [NCAA Bylaws 1-2-(a)-(I) and 1-2-(a)-(5)]"

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They are allowed THREE contacts. It DOES say Sherrill contacted... as in during one or more of the THREE. It also DOES NOT say Sherrill contacted AFTER the THREE legal ones.

VINDICATED!

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"12. During the 1984-85 academic year, while recruiting a prospective student-athlete, the head football coach and two assistant football coaches contacted the young man in person, off campus for recruiting purposes on more than the permissible number of occasions at and away from the young man's educational institution. [NCAA Bylaws 1-2-(a)-(l) and 1-2-(a)-(l)-(i)]"

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SAME as #10!

VINDICATED!

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"15. During the 1986-87 academic year, the head football coach asked a representative of the university's athletics interests to invite the father of two prospective student-athletes to a luncheon, although such entertainment is not permitted under NCAA rules. This violation was self-reported by the university. [NCAA Bylaw 1-1(a)]"

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REPORTED, accepted as accidental, VINDICATED!

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F5 on the fujita scale.

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yawn... you are getting repititious with your similies...

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The infractions found during these two investigations would be the one's listed as self-reported in the report. Nothing in the report refers to a self-reported infraction as being "considered minor" (your words) or "nullified, as such" (again your words).

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It's implied. Otherwise they would have listed them with the other infractions.

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Further, if the university and its director of athletics had adequately monitored the football program, many of the violations found in this case would have been discovered and self-reported. The university then would have had to declare certain football team members ineligible to compete for Texas A&M University in both regular and postseason competition.

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I ask you why would they "HAVE" to self-report? BECAUSE self reporting accidental minor infractions IMPLIES NCAA grace. Why else would OU behave the way THEY are? They denied until it died down, and then they SELF-REPORTED. If there were no advantage to self report, there is ABSOLUTELY NO reason or incentive to self report. The NCAA is NOT God. They cannot be evreywhere and all-knowing. Self reporting is integral to the system.

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If you're reading the report as you state, is there a reason you don't quote the report rather than using your words to describe what you want the Infractions Report state? Naw.

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I DO quote the report! REREAD!

I see by your arrogance and VERBOSE cut and pastes that you are a fan of the old "baffle them with bull****" credo.

I just cut to the chase. I also post REFERENCES as required to back up my statements and paraphrasing. It is COMMON and ACCEPTED writing practice. It's mainly so your readers don't lose interest.

You REALLY need to study and acquire this practice.

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P.S. Jackie Sherrill was "punished" and it is listed in the report.

"H. The Committee on Infractions accepts and adopts the university's action regarding the head football coach, which consists of placing him on administrative probation for the period the institution is placed on probation."

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By the time the "punishment" was in force, Jackie was NOT not head coach. The "head coach" punished was R.C.

Even if you say that he'd still be "punished" if he had stayed in coaching, it's a slap on the wrist... ...merely to appease the frenzied media.

AH! to use your tactic:

That statement doesn't say ANYTHING about "PUNISHMENT". :P

Even so, administrative probabtion would consist of.... what?... MONITORING?

[This message has been edited by LightningDammitt (edited 4/26/2007 7:07p).]

Lightning,

So Sherrill's assistants were so loyal to him that they decided to go out and break the rules on their own and if they got caught, they were willing to take the fall and let none of the blame be placed on Sherrill? And Sherrill was so certain that his assistants had such high levels of ethical standards that he didn't need to monitor them in that area as he knew they wouldn't do anything wrong? And of course, Sherrill was so strong in his beliefs that his program should comply w/NCAA rules that he never had to inform his assistants of the potential consequences of them committing any wrongdoings w/o his knowledge?

Reality is, Sherrill had his assistants do his dirty work for him and if they got caught, well at least Sherrill wouldn't be directly implicated. When you're a high profile coach, you can do things like that. No, Sherrill isn't the only one in that situation who has ever done it. But, he did get caught and it cost him.

The funny thing is that RC was Sherrill's right hand man during that time, but his name was never mentioned in any of the violations. Think he was 100% clean during this time? But to RC's credit, he took advantage of his good fortune and cleaned up his act when he took over as HC.

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Oh my... this is gonna cost me when navyag reads it... but, I in no way BELIEVE Sherrill was completely innocent. I also do not believe that RC was innocent. I would even venture a guess that both were LUCKY that things fell out the way they did. I even believe that there was/is back door politics within the NCAA.

As for your supposition that Sherrill let his assistants do the dirty work, I agree. I think it was more arrogance than anything though... Shear luck that that arrogance was what "saved" him...

Once again, I think he was operating under the same constraints, or lack thereof, as most other NCAA coaches at the time. A&M got caught and punished for these type infractions first... Who knows why. Then everyone else started getting caught, and/or cleaned up their act.

Lightning,

Good post. I think that the "back door" politics within the NCAA were why no sanctions were taken against A&M regarding the "hush money" fiasco as Sherrill had resigned, not because there was no wrongdoing. And I don't think that the NCAA cared when Sherrill took over at MSU as who knows how many coaches have committed violations at one school and left to coach at another w/o getting caught.

My only point is that Sherrill's miscues did cause him to leave A&M amidst controversy and he does have to take the blame for it even if he isn't the only coach that has ever done things like that. Either he 1)couldn't cover his tracks as well as the others, 2)made too many enemies or 3)didn't know when to quit.

I just hope that the lawsuit JS has against the NCAA isn't settled and sealed....why? so some of the mis-guided wisdom of the idiots on this board can be seen for how foolish you are!

Bill Walton has been quoted saying something like this (can't recall the exact language)..."if the NCAA had enforced its rules on John Wooden and UCLA, we would have lost 9 of our 10 Natn'l Championships and been on probation for the next 100 years"....so why didn't they look at UCLA when they were harassing Tark the Shark endlessly?? and why didn't they look at Penn St, tu, and Ol'Miss while they were harassing JS endlessly?? Tark "settled" (for millions) without the NCAA having to admit...hope JS gets a spotlight and shines it right on those crooked bastages in Indianapolis!!

Just to clear up another point posted by "ac"...

Bear Bryant DID leave A&M "under controversy"... in fact, the limited summer activities and designated spring training days are a direct result of A&M being placed on probation just as the Bear skipped off to Alabama...

AAAAAg

The only thing troubling about the Jackie Sherrill era was that it took a lot of fun out the rivalry with t.u. Beating their a@@es year in and year out was starting to get boring.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH - I typed that almost with a straight face. I loved beating the hell out t.u. And I loved just barely beating them, destroying their season, THIS year.

Jackie's Aggie squads PWNED t.u. That, my friends, was his greatest crime. Guilty as charged!

A&M was placed on probation in '56. Bryant was back for '57 and by the time he left for alabama at the end of the year, the controversy had diminished. Besides, Alabama was his dream job and he would have gone there regardless. Sherrill's resgination from A&M was a completely different story.

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I think it was Joe Paterno who once said he would never retire, because doing so meant he would be leaving college football to the likes of Bobby Bowden and Jackie Sherrill. That's a paraphrase, but I think I got the basic meaning right.

Do Ags consider Paterno to be an honorable guy? If so, his opinion of Sherrill is illuminating to say the least.

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Holy bump batman!

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I think it was Joe Paterno who once said he would never retire, because doing so meant he would be leaving college football to the likes of Bobby Bowden and Jackie Sherrill. That's a paraphrase, but I think I got the basic meaning right.

Do Ags consider Paterno to be an honorable guy? If so, his opinion of Sherrill is illuminating to say the least.

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The funniest comment I read last night on various message boards was some A hole from Penn St saying "boy you guys sure spend a lot of money to go 8-4". This from a guy whose program over the last 20 years has an average record of………. 8-4.

At least we don't worship pedos.

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Holy bump batman!

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Page 1 of the 15 year bump! Wow

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The worse thing I can say about JoePa is that he turned down the offer to play in a #1 vs. #2 bowl game at least twice, I been told. Then he had the temerity to complain about some other team being voted the National Champ over the Nittany Lions. I want to say one of those chances was with a Cotton Bowl bid against a #1 DKR led UT team, but I can't say for sure.

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If memory serves:

• At the end of the 69 regular season, #1 Texas beat #2 Arkansas in a game moved to December. Nixon proclaimed Texas National Champions. JoePa was ticked as PSU was undefeated. Back then, the UPI crowned a national champion after the regular season. AP crowned after bowl games.
• Notre Dame hadn't played in a bowl game in about 45 years by choice. The Cotton Bowl's Hoss Brock got Notre Dame to agree to play Texas setting up a TV ratings bonanza. Texas won and the two teams played a rematch the next year.