Kyle Allen

#1 Pocket Passer in 2014, 5 star recruit.

But it took 3 pick 6's in the 15' Alabama game, and he was never the same.

schmellba99 said:

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RSJ was another that was a 5* ranked player that did very little while at A&M.

He did get flagged for targeting when he blocked a DB though.

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RSJ caught a long TD pass in one of his very first games and, if I'm not mistaken, hurt his knee on that play.
He didn't just lose a step after that injury. He lost two or three steps which led to his moving from WR to TE.

Just another in the long line of guys who started off looking very promising and then having something happen to derail their career at A&M.

A lot of names on here that shouldnt even be close to the title of "over hyped".

Charlie Murphy said:

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A lot of names on here that shouldnt even be close to the title of "over hyped".

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Name them

Briley Knockbarge. Remember him from the 60s ?

schmellba99 said:

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Charlie Murphy said:

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A lot of names on here that shouldnt even be close to the title of "over hyped".

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Name them

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Justin Warren, Martellus, Haynes King just to name a few.

Charlie Murphy said:

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schmellba99 said:

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Charlie Murphy said:

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A lot of names on here that shouldnt even be close to the title of "over hyped".

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Justin Warren, Martellus, Haynes King just to name a few.

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I don't remember anything about Warren's recruiting, but he had a decent career.
Martellus I remember being a huge commitment and signing. He also had a good career (again, considering the teams he played on), and proved it by having a long NFL career.
Was Haynes King hyped at all? I remember him signing, but not with near the hype of Kyle, Kyler, Weigman, Mond, etc.

schmellba99 said:

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Charlie Murphy said:

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A lot of names on here that shouldnt even be close to the title of "over hyped".

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Kyle Allen and Kyler. Their NFL careers prove they were misused, not "over hyped".

Charlie Murphy said:

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schmellba99 said:

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Charlie Murphy said:

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A lot of names on here that shouldnt even be close to the title of "over hyped".

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Justin Warren, Martellus, Haynes King just to name a few.

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Not a single one of them lived up to their recruiting billing, which is the point of this thread and what makes them overhyped, unfortunate as it may be.

Warren is the closest, but he wasn't what you'd expect from a highly recruited and ranked 5* or 4* guy. He wasn't a bad player, but he wasn't anywhere close to producing on the field in line with a highly rated guy either. I'd put him solidly in the journeyman category in terms of college career. Thus, overhyped.

Martellus did next to nothing and wasn't even close to a 5* performance. He averaged 3 catches per game here and had 10 TD's over a 3 year period. For reference, Sternberger had just shy of half as many catches and matched the 10 TD's and did it in one season here.

King was the same - highly rated 4*/5* but had meh performance and stats and transferred out. He played in 10 games for us with only 1 of them being a 300+ yard game. He had 10 TD's and 10 INT's. Again - overhyped. Here. Turned it around at GA Tech and had 2 really good seasons there.

Now, you can argue why these players never panned out all day long. But fact of the matter is that, unfortunate for them and for our program, they came in like a lion and went out like a lamb for the most part.

Ol Jock 99 said:

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schmellba99 said:

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Charlie Murphy said:

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A lot of names on here that shouldnt even be close to the title of "over hyped".

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Kyle Allen and Kyler. Their NFL careers prove they were misused, not "over hyped".

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Were they misused? Absolutely. The fact that they played in the NFL is wholly irrelevant to the topic.

But the question asked by the OP is what players were overhyped while at A&M.

At A&M, Murray did jack and squat. 5* rating, 0* performance here. At one point (if the rumors are true) refused to go into a game when what's his face crappy OC tried to put him in against Alabama.

Kyle wasn't bad and definitely IMO got screwed over by Sumlin which was a huge contributing factor into why he never lived up to the 5* billing he came in with. But never the less, he unfortunately didn't have a 5* career here by any metric. He had a pretty solid soph year, and IMO should have stuck around - especially after Murray bailed on us. Solidly in the average category IMO, but not anything close to what the expectations were for him coming in.

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schmellba99 said:

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RSJ was another that was a 5* ranked player that did very little while at A&M.

He did get flagged for targeting when he blocked a DB though.

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RSJ caught a long TD pass in one of his very first games and, if I'm not mistaken, hurt his knee on that play.
He didn't just lose a step after that injury. He lost two or three steps which led to his moving from WR to TE.

Just another in the long line of guys who started off looking very promising and then having something happen to derail their career at A&M.

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To be fair with RSJ, he hurt his knee his senior hear in HS and probably shouldn't have been a 5* guy because his performance after was nothing like before. But he was a big sumgun and already had about 50 colleges chasing him before the injury and very few of them backed off after IIRC.

He made the NFL and played for a few years even, but just didn't have much of a career here numbers wise.

schmellba99 said:

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Charlie Murphy said:

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schmellba99 said:

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Charlie Murphy said:

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A lot of names on here that shouldnt even be close to the title of "over hyped".

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Justin Warren, Martellus, Haynes King just to name a few.

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Martellus did next to nothing and wasn't even close to a 5* performance. He averaged 3 catches per game here and had 10 TD's over a 3 year period. For reference, Sternberger had just shy of half as many catches and matched the 10 TD's and did it in one season here.

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Dude.
Like I said, Martellus did what he could do given his situation. Comparing him to Jace is apples and oranges. Both were products of their systems. It makes zero sense to compare their stats. You don't think Martellus would have produced as much (likely better) as Jace in the same system? He was also a much better blocker.

There's a reason Martellus got drafted in the 2nd round and played 10 years in the NFL. What is Jace up to?

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I would not put Randy Simmons in this category. He was the real deal, but severe injuries unfortunately derailed his career. He persevered though and continued to play when well. I think he had a very positive attitude and made a good contribution to the program.

Noah Thomas
Demas (guy leveraged doing backflips into being a 5-star)
Hoza Scott (pictured above)
Cameron Clear



There's a separate thread needed for 5-star talent that was wasted by bad coaching.

the most cool guy said:

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Kyle Allen (QB, 20142015)

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I think that every disappointing QB who came through while Spavital was here deserves an asterisk. I don't know if it was Spavital or Sumlin or both but they messed up a lot of talent.

Allen was a drop back pro style kid. He was ruined here. Didn't shine until he got a chance in the pros. Kyler was freakishly quick with a good arm and eventually got to show how he could contribute -- somewhere else. Everywhere else, actually. Thrill Hill, Hubenak, Starkel, Some good coaching could have made a decent QB out of any of those guys.

regarding Randy Simmons...

his injury had minimal impact on the program because Jackie also signed Darren Lewis

depth is important

rootube said:

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I remember someone was suggesting that Trevor Knight would be the next Johnny Manziel. This is enough to have the poor guy locked up.

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Trevor's 2016 season was probably the 4th or 5th best season by an aggie QB in the 21st century

he won some big games before getting injured

he did what Kyle Allen and Kyler could not do -- take advantage of the great WR's (Kirk, Reynolds) on the field with him

aggiedaddie said:

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the most cool guy said:

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Kyle Allen (QB, 20142015)

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I think that every disappointing QB who came through while Spavital was here deserves an asterisk. I don't know if it was Spavital or Sumlin or both but they messed up a lot of talent.

Allen was a drop back pro style kid. He was ruined here. Didn't shine until he got a chance in the pros. Kyler was freakishly quick with a good arm and eventually got to show how he could contribute -- somewhere else. Everywhere else, actually. Thrill Hill, Hubenak, Starkel, Some good coaching could have made a decent QB out of any of those guys.

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I agree. I was just copy pasting from chat GPT.

What about that highly rated WR from Dallas that hacked up the jogger in Dallas with a machete?. Did he ever play? I kinda remember him being on campus but then just disappearing.

Thomas Johnson I think.

Ermagerd!

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WC94 said:

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Kyler Murray.

43-0 as a high school starter with 3 consecutive state championships.

Passing: Over 10,386 yards and 117 touchdowns.

Rushing: Over 4,139 yards and 69 touchdowns.


He had 5 touchdowns and 4 interceptions for us.

He then went and won the Heisman and Rooke of the Year.

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LOL

Let me help you out.
If a player wins the Heisman in college, he's not over hyped. He was not managed properly by our head coach his true freshman season. The only season he was here.

This is sour grapes at its finest.

I'm going with the OP on Demas bc he had way too much hype for a guy that did not even play his senior season of HS.

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Against a real schedule and not Big 12 creamcakes he would not have won the Heisman and would have been lucky to win 8 games.

Thomas Johnson

If Demas got his act together we could have had a generational receiver. Those highschool highlights will forever be some of the best I have seen.

Praying he gets his head together.

Gig 'Em.

ArlingtonAg2015 said:

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What about that highly rated WR from Dallas that hacked up the jogger in Dallas with a machete?. Did he ever play? I kinda remember him being on campus but then just disappearing.

Thomas Johnson I think.

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Caught a pass in the 2012 Alabama game

90% of our 5 star recruits have sucked.
Except for Myles and a few others.

One of the highest SPARQ scores ever and from pure ability and athleticism…has to be Speedy


https://www.maxpreps.com/m/news/-d4a4o7VTUCFYZXf8Q8OGw/the-opening-day-1-speedy-noil-wins-sparq-national-title.htm

King looks pretty good at GT. Maybe it's A&M and not the players…

I tho knee scored the game winning touchdown against Alabama with Manziel.

Pichael Thompson said:

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A much more challenging topic would be to name recruits that did live up to hype

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The first several years of Slocum's tenure in the 90's were very good and we didn't lose a conference game for like 3-4 consecutive years. You could probably rattle off a bunch of players from that era.

Christine Michael was suppose to be Adrian Peterson 2.0

Juan Solo said:

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Christine Michael was suppose to be Adrian Peterson 2.0

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He played 3 seasons with Cyrus Gray (#4 all time) and 1 with JFF and still managed to be one of our best RBs of all time at #11 all time. Maybe (maybe) not quite a 5*, but certainly not "overhyped".

Don't have an opinion on over hyped but this thread got me thinking, what was the linebacker's name that quit the football team to write poetry.

It's killing me that I can't remember his name.

TaTa Thompson

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schmellba99 said:

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Charlie Murphy said:

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schmellba99 said:

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Charlie Murphy said:

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A lot of names on here that shouldnt even be close to the title of "over hyped".

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Name them

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Justin Warren, Martellus, Haynes King just to name a few.

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Martellus did next to nothing and wasn't even close to a 5* performance. He averaged 3 catches per game here and had 10 TD's over a 3 year period. For reference, Sternberger had just shy of half as many catches and matched the 10 TD's and did it in one season here.

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Dude.
Like I said, Martellus did what he could do given his situation. Comparing him to Jace is apples and oranges. Both were products of their systems. It makes zero sense to compare their stats. You don't think Martellus would have produced as much (likely better) as Jace in the same system? He was also a much better blocker.

There's a reason Martellus got drafted in the 2nd round and played 10 years in the NFL. What is Jace up to?

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You could say any and all players are products of their systems.

The point is that Martellus showed jack and squat here with respect to his 5* status. The hard stats show that in spades. He had size and decent speed, which is why he was drafted into the NFL - it wasn't because he was blowing up the field in college.

Even in the NFL he was pretty pedestrian with his stats. Hey, he made the league and played for 10 years and even had a single really good year there.

But none of that changes the fact that he came in like a lion on hype and proceeded to do next to nothing on the field in either football or basketball. He was the #1 TE in his class coming into college and the #8 rated player in the country - and produced absolutely nothing on the field even close to that type of ranking, system or not. Why is this so hard to grasp?