It's clear that a lot of poster's BAS has flared to 11 and they are no longer capable of rational thought or discourse. I understand why it has happened but you'd think we just ensured a losing season with that loss last night. I'd speculate that before the season began almost every poster on TexAgs would have been overjoyed with an opportunity to go to the SECCG with a win against tu this week. If we win then many of these same posters will forget their doom and gloom.

Love the O. Klein has a chance to build a monster. Marcel will continue to grow.

Need a bellweather back (well 2) and better WRs for the offense to be more of a threat.

Defense is an issue...delusions of grandeur and headline readers on the DL, awful secondary, York needs to come off the field (too slow to play SEC ball), and to much look at me celebrating for making a std play. No consistency in QB pressures and then would let thorne easily run free at the worst times (partially due to LB play).

Think Bateman needs to go as there's a reason UF fans were happy to see him go (and the DL coach). Bateman friends with Elko, but that doesn't get you wins in the SEC (frankly, all coaches are in a ponzi scheme of the fans and all laugh at the money they get).

This thread is idiotic. Just shows how much fans want to blame QBs and offenses no matter what. We scored 31 against an SEC team, that should be good enough to win. Our defense was awful last night in the 1st quarter

What the hell just another Aggie lost

The idiots come out in force after every loss.

Klein had nothing to do with spotting Auburn 21 points. They jumped to a lead and held on.

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It's clear that a lot of poster's BAS has flared to 11 and they are no longer capable of rational thought or discourse. I understand why it has happened but you'd think we just ensured a losing season with that loss last night. I'd speculate that before the season began almost every poster on TexAgs would have been overjoyed with an opportunity to go to the SECCG with a win against tu this week. If we win then many of these same posters will forget their doom and gloom.

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I do think the team overall has had a positive year and said as much, I see a ton of upside in our squad and a lot of our staff, however we won't get this easy of an SEC schedule again anytime soon, so yes it's wildly frustrating to have the opportunity, the talent and squander it on bad play calls on both Offense and Defense.

I'll be the first to praise Klein if he calls a good game against tu even if we lose, certainly I think we can win even with his mediocre play calling. The team did a lot last night from the hole bad 1st and 2nd down decisions put us on. I think we have a good chance to play our best game of the year from an underdog role, we always play better that way. But am I worried that he uses Marcel like he's Tom Brady and drops him straight back 45 times again or blows a chance to score with an I'll timed option call…..yes.
Let's hope he runs more RPO's, read options and is way less predictable while taking advantage of we have on the field.

BTHO tu….hadn't typed that in a long time.

The defense is the main concern. Giving up so many explosives all year is a bunch of crap. I like the direction the offense is headed with Marcell at QB.

If Klein would realize Reed is dual threat and not a pocket passer, then maybe our O would improve. I don't know, maybe someone can send him Reed's recruit bio where it says dual threat?

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We also gave up more points to Auburn than any non cupcake opponent in regulation has this season.

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Thats the real issue. We spotted them 21 points and 217 yards before our defense woke up. They played very good after the first 3 drives. We came out soft and unprepared.

Klein needs to be catching all the dropped passes himself or he's not worth the money.

Defense lost the game for us altho the offense had a chance to ice the game away on the last possession of regulation and they blew it. Klein definitely shouldn't have called the dropped snap play. That's on him too.

Points SCORED in SEC games this year...

If the Aggies score 6 points this weekend , they are #1 in points scored (unless tu scores 17 points than the Ags).

POINTS is the ultimate stat.

Defense - #10.

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We also gave up more points to Auburn than any non cupcake opponent in regulation has this season.

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Thats the real issue. We spotted them 21 points and 217 yards before our defense woke up. They played very good after the first 3 drives. We came out soft and unprepared.

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Agree with your first part but disagree with the bold part. The D did not play very good after spotting them 21 points. They were way better but still not very good.

The defense still gave up 17 points in regulation after spotting them 21. Auburn had only averaged 16 points against SEC opponents this year for an entire game. And Vandy only gave up 7 to them for the entire game.

So even if you ignore the 21 points the defense STILL gave up more points in 3 qtrs than Auburns game average, (way more than Vandy for an entire game) which is totally remarkable. Goes to show just how putrid our defense was last night.

We scored 31 points in regulation against Auburn, which is tied with Georgia for the most points scored in regulation against Auburn this season. Unlike Georgia's 31-13 home win over Auburn, we scored 31 points in regulation in a road game at Auburn. That's the most points scored in regulation in a road game at Auburn since Arkansas's 41-27 road win at Auburn on 10/29/2022.

Unfortunately, our defense allowed 31 points in regulation to an Auburn offense that had not scored more than 24 points in their last 9 games against Power 4 opponents is horrible. That's the most Auburn have scored against a Power 4 opponent since a 48-10 road win at Arkansas on 11/11/2023 and the most they have scored against a Power 4 opponent at home since a 43-34 home loss to Mississippi State on 11/13/2021.

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vander54 said:

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We also gave up more points to Auburn than any non cupcake opponent in regulation has this season.

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Thats the real issue. We spotted them 21 points and 217 yards before our defense woke up. They played very good after the first 3 drives. We came out soft and unprepared.

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Agree with your first part but disagree with the bold part. The D did not play very good after spotting them 21 points. They were way better but still not very good.

The defense still gave up 17 points in regulation after spotting them 21. Auburn had only averaged 16 points against SEC opponents this year for an entire game.

So even if you ignore the 21 points the defense STILL gave up more points in 3 qtrs than Auburns game average, which is totally remarkable. Goes to show just how putrid our defense was last night.

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The D gave up 10 points and 252 yards in 9 drives. Thats very good. Spotting them 21 was ridiculous.

If the D played the same after the first 3 drives to start the game Auburn would have had 13 or 14 points and 336 yards. That's very good.

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We scored 31 points in regulation against Auburn, which is tied with Georgia for the most points scored in regulation against Auburn this season. Unlike Georgia's 31-13 home win over Auburn, we scored 31 points in regulation in a road game at Auburn. That's the most points scored in regulation in a road game at Auburn since Arkansas's 41-27 road win at Auburn on 10/29/2022.

Unfortunately, our defense allowed 31 points in regulation to an Auburn offense that had not scored more than 24 points in their last 9 games against Power 4 opponents is horrible. That's the most Auburn have scored against a Power 4 opponent since a 48-10 road win at Arkansas on 11/11/2023 and the most they have scored against a Power 4 opponent at home since a 43-34 home loss to Mississippi State on 11/13/2021.

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FACTS

The defense was incredibly poor. How anyone comes away from that game (against that opponent who has a solid defense but absolutely terrible offense) and thinks it was the offense's fault for the loss, just simply does not know anything about football.

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Onionman said:

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vander54 said:

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We also gave up more points to Auburn than any non cupcake opponent in regulation has this season.

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Thats the real issue. We spotted them 21 points and 217 yards before our defense woke up. They played very good after the first 3 drives. We came out soft and unprepared.

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Agree with your first part but disagree with the bold part. The D did not play very good after spotting them 21 points. They were way better but still not very good.

The defense still gave up 17 points in regulation after spotting them 21. Auburn had only averaged 16 points against SEC opponents this year for an entire game.

So even if you ignore the 21 points the defense STILL gave up more points in 3 qtrs than Auburns game average, which is totally remarkable. Goes to show just how putrid our defense was last night.

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The D gave up 10 points and 252 yards in 9 drives. Thats very good. Spotting them 21 was ridiculous.

If the D played the same after the first 3 drives to start the game Auburn would have had 13 or 14 points and 336 yards. That's very good.

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Ooops, I did think Auburn had 38 in regulation for some reason. And obviously after spotting 21 which is unacceptable...they were much better.

However, have you seen Auburn's other SEC games? I mean they were only averaging 8 points a half? How can you act like 10 points is great when Vandy held them to 7 the entire game? This was a putrid and I mean putrid offense we were facing.

(Edit) maybe I am just mad because the D could have won the game at the end. You called them very good after spotting Auburn 21. But the D let them march right down the field for the tying score when Auburn had 0 timeouts left and not much time. I don't call that a very good defense.)

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Moronic, not even trying to get the first down play calls, on our last drive in regulation and on our 2nd OT drive gave away the win.

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They should call the first down play calls whenever they don't call the touchdown play.

Because i know a little more about Auburn's performances than you.

You're looking at one game which happens to be the only game they didn't score at least 13. Look at their season they have moved the ball well against every team. They just shoot themselves in the foot a lot. Plus that 13/14 is just looking at their average points a drive for the final 9 drives and adding it to the 10. It easily could have been less. Either way our D did a good job overall after the first 3 drives.

13 points and 336 yards given up would be a very good performance.


The final 9 drives they averaged

1.1 points/drive
28 yards/drive

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Because i know a little more about Auburn's performances than you.

You're looking at one game which happens to be the only game they didn't score at least 13. Look at their season they have moved the ball well against every team. They just shoot themselves in the foot a lot. Plus that 13/14 is just looking at their average points a drive for the final 9 drives and adding it to the 10. It easily could have been less. Either way our D did a good job overall after the first 3 drives.

13 points and 336 yards given up would be a very good performance.

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One game my @ss. Since you know more than I, you know that California only gave up 14 points to Auburn, you also know that Arkansas only gave up 14 points, You also know that Mizzou only gave up 17 points.

You said they did very good after the 21 points...I expect a very good defense to win the game in the end. Instead they let them march all the way down the field with 0 timeouts and (almost score a TD but instead tie it up with a FG.)

A very good defense would have stopped that last drive but maybe your expectations are so low you expect Auburn's putrid offense to drive down the length of the field at the end.

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Because i know a little more about Auburn's performances than you.



13 points and 336 yards given up would be a very good performance.

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Even with your hypothetical...still more yards than Vandy gave up the entire game.

And California gave up 286 yards the entire game to Auburn. They also had 4 picks and 4 sacks.

I guess you would say their defense was totally incredible against Auburn.

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Because i know a little more about Auburn's performances than you.

You're looking at one game which happens to be the only game they didn't score at least 13. Look at their season they have moved the ball well against every team. They just shoot themselves in the foot a lot. Plus that 13/14 is just looking at their average points a drive for the final 9 drives and adding it to the 10. It easily could have been less. Either way our D did a good job overall after the first 3 drives.

13 points and 336 yards given up would be a very good performance.

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One game my @ss. Since you know more than I, you know that California only gave up 14 points to Auburn, you also know that Arkansas only gave up 14 points, You also know that Mizzou only gave up 17 points.

You said they did very good after the 21 points...I expect a very good defense to win the game in the end. Instead they let them march all the way down the field with 0 timeouts and (almost score a TD but instead tie it up with a FG.)

A very good defense would have stopped that last drive but maybe your expectations are so low you expect Auburn's putrid offense to drive down the length of the field at the end.

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You are ignoring so much and focused on the final score change the first 3 drives and we win easily. Hell change the first 3 drives and the final drive would have been different.

Also Auburn has scored

14
21
13
17
24
7

In their other SEC games. That's pretty consistent and if our defense did what I mentioned it would be the second lowest points they've scored all year.

Stop focusing on one drive and one game. Look at the entire resume.

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Because i know a little more about Auburn's performances than you.



13 points and 336 yards given up would be a very good performance.

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Even with your hypothetical...still more yards than Vandy gave up the entire game.

And California gave up 286 yards the entire game to Auburn. They also had 4 picks and 4 sacks.

I guess you would say their defense was totally incredible against Auburn.

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Lol


You are a triggered little man.

Good luck with your emotions

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vander54 said:

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Because i know a little more about Auburn's performances than you.



13 points and 336 yards given up would be a very good performance.

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Even with your hypothetical...still more yards than Vandy gave up the entire game.

And California gave up 286 yards the entire game to Auburn. They also had 4 picks and 4 sacks.

I guess you would say their defense was totally incredible against Auburn.

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Lol


You are a triggered little man.

Good luck with your emotions

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I've seen several other teams play good defense against Auburn this year. You are acting like our defense was incredible after spotting them 21 (which is silly to argue this anyway because the 21 did doom us). But to me considering the other teams that played Auburn and what they did to Auburn...our defense was average to moderately good the rest of the way NOT very good as you said.

The D had a chance to right a wrong at the end but instead let them march down the field to tie the game. That was not very good at all.

As for your posts....I like alot of your posts. I do disagree with you sometimes. But I still don't know why you throw in comments like 'triggered little man....good luck with your emotions." when someone disagrees with you about a point. Feel like that says more about you than me. Sorry if I got you hot and bothered.

First off I'm not hot and bothered. Second you're cherry picking stats.

UGA did worse than our final 9 drives

37.4 yards/drive
1.4 points/drive
0 TO

Cal held them to 286 yards because of 5 TO. All 5 TOs were on the first or second play of the drive (3 on first and 2 on second). They had 13 drives. So 38.5% of their drives didn't even make it to 3rd down.

Look at all the games don't look for stats to support your arguement. Auburn came out and whipped us on the first 3 drives but after that it was a completely different game.

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First off I'm not hot and bothered. Second you're cherry picking stats.

UGA did worse than our final 9 drives

37.4 yards/drive
1.4 points/drive
0 TO

Cal held them to 286 yards because of 5 TO. All 5 TOs were on the first or second play of the drive (3 on first and 2 on second). They had 13 drives. So 38.5% of their drives didn't even make it to 3rd down.

Look at all the games don't look for stats to support your arguement. Auburn came out and whipped us on the first 3 drives but after that it was a completely different game.

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Ok, after this post, I will drop it because it is a dumb argument anyway. It's obvious the D was much better after spotting them 21 points. (And that 21 points was totally & utterly ridiculous). And if they stop that last drive in regulation I would agree with you that they were very good after 21. But we did not stop them.

Defenses create turnovers...are you saying California lucked into those 5 turnovers? Did the other teams Auburn play just get lucky with turnovers and we didn't? IMO the other defenses created most of those turnovers. I don't feel I am cherry picking stats when Vandy and California both pretty much shut down Auburn their entire game.

I'll end with this...a totally ironic comment by you saying I am cherry picking stats when you set up this cherry picked argument....well if we remove the 3 TDs at the beginning of the game, then the defense was very good. That's the definition of cherry picking right there.

Such a dumb argument. The 3TDs don't magically disappear. Those have to be included because they all count...and including those the defense was incredibly poor last night.

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We gave up 34 points in regulation.

Kentucky was the next closest at giving up 24 points to Auburn.

It's worse for South Carolina. Def more of a defensive issue.

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We gave up 31 points in regulation. Dating back to a 27-24 home loss to Alabama on 11/25/23, Auburn has not scored more than 24 points in their previous 9 games against Power 4 teams until scoring 31 in regulation against us to snap a 5-game home losing streak to Power 4 teams.

2023
Alabama (home) - 27-24 loss
Maryland (Music City Bowl) -31-13 loss

2024
Cal (home) - 21-14 loss
Arkansas (home) - 24-14 loss
Oklahoma (home) - 27-21 loss
Georgia (away) - 31-13 loss
Missouri (away) - 21-17 loss
Kentucky (away) - 24-10 win
Vanderbilt (home) - 17-7 loss

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Because i know a little more about Auburn's performances than you.

You're looking at one game which happens to be the only game they didn't score at least 13. Look at their season they have moved the ball well against every team. They just shoot themselves in the foot a lot. Plus that 13/14 is just looking at their average points a drive for the final 9 drives and adding it to the 10. It easily could have been less. Either way our D did a good job overall after the first 3 drives.

13 points and 336 yards given up would be a very good performance.


The final 9 drives they averaged

1.1 points/drive
28 yards/drive

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Dating back to a 27-24 home loss to Alabama on 11/25/23, Auburn has not scored more than 24 points in their previous 9 games against Power 4 teams until scoring 31 in regulation against us to snap a 5-game home losing streak to Power 4 teams.

2023
Alabama (home) - 27-24 loss
Maryland (Music City Bowl) -31-13 loss

2024
Cal (home) - 21-14 loss
Arkansas (home) - 24-14 loss
Oklahoma (home) - 27-21 loss
Georgia (away) - 31-13 loss
Missouri (away) - 21-17 loss
Kentucky (away) - 24-10 win
Vanderbilt (home) - 17-7 loss

What does that have to do with what I said?

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What does that have to do with what I said?

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You were saying our defense was good after the first 3 drives, but the defense as a whole was horrible because we allowed 31 points in regulation to an Auburn offense that did not score more than 24 points in their previous 9 games against Power 4 games dating back to their last two games of last season.

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What does that have to do with what I said?

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I listed these games to show that our defense was horrible because we allowed 31 points in regulation to an Auburn offense that did not score 24 points in their previous 9 games against Power 4 games dating back to their last two games of last season.

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That still has nothing to do with what I said.

I was talking about how well we played after the horrendous first 3 drives.

Sucks it took us 3 drives to wake up because we win easily if we played with the same intensity all game as we did in the final 9 drives.

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What does that have to do with what I said?

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I listed these games to show that our defense was horrible because we allowed 31 points in regulation to an Auburn offense that did not score 24 points in their previous 9 games against Power 4 games dating back to their last two games of last season.

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That still has nothing to do with what I said.

I was talking about how well we played after the horrendous first 3 drives.

Sucks it took us 3 drives to wake up because we win easily if we played with the same intensity all game as we did in the final 9 drives.

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Yes, our defense was much better after allowing a touchdown on each of Auburn's first 3 drives, but our defense did not have the performance the previous 9 Power 4 opponents had against Auburn for the entire game.

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What does that have to do with what I said?

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I listed these games to show that our defense was horrible because we allowed 31 points in regulation to an Auburn offense that did not score 24 points in their previous 9 games against Power 4 games dating back to their last two games of last season.

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That still has nothing to do with what I said.

I was talking about how well we played after the horrendous first 3 drives.

Sucks it took us 3 drives to wake up because we win easily if we played with the same intensity all game as we did in the final 9 drives.

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Yes, our defense was much better after allowing a touchdown on each of Auburn's first 3 drives, but our defense did not have the performance the previous 9 Power 4 opponents had against Auburn for the entire game.

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Of course. The pathetic start doomed us.