themissinglink said:

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UNLv deserves to be dragged through the mud if they promised a certain $ that has not been met.

I have never seen him play a snap but I can't imagine other FBS teams are knocking on his door promising significant $. He was a pretty good FCS player but has a 44% completion pct on the year (and no games >50%).

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Bud Elliott touched on this in a podcast.

If UNLV thought this kid was the reason for their success, they would have come up with the $85k somehow. A playoff spot is worth millions to the school.

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Panama Red said:

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The agent's story:

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"When I had the conversation with the offensive assistant who was doing Matt's recruitment, we talked about a number north of $100,000 to $150,000," AGENT Cromartie said. "This was a number that I was told would be given to Matt to come there."

When Sluka still did not have a deal midway through training camp, according to Cromartie, he reached back out to UNLV to reopen negotiations.

"I reached out to the coaches halfway through camp," he said. "I reached out politely, 'Hey, I understand you guys are midway through camp. It's a quarterback competition, but the NIL agreement hasn't been sent out. Can we speak on this?'

"Nothing was said back for a couple of weeks ago. I approached them again. I said, 'Hey, you know what's going on?' I even offered to meet them halfway. I said, 'I understand that trying to get $100,000 within the next four months may be hard, but can we get him $10,000 a month?' They said, 'No.' I said, 'How about $5,000?' They came back with, 'We can give them $3,000 a month for the next four months. Take it or leave it.'"

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https://www.on3.com/nil/news/agent-unlv-rebels-football-quarterback-matthew-sluka-verbally-promised-100k-nil-package/

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Sounds like the kid should fire his agent. Verbal agreement? LOL. Should have got it in writing before going to camp.

I'm sure UNLV deserves some blame too. But at the end of the day, kid, you played 4 years at Holy Cross and were fortunate to get a shot at UNLV. Now after this fiasco you're unlikely to get picked up by a decent team for 2025. All for $100K? Dumb.

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Yeah if this was a case of them having a verbal agreement that the collective is not honoring, then the student just learned a valuable lesson about getting things in writing from anyone who says they're going to pay you money.

This happens all the time in businesses that say they're going to give you a raise or give you a specific number but then try to actually give you a lower amount later on.

His agent sucks, he should go after him.

Before UNLV QB Matt Sluka quitted on the season, 3-0 UNLV had good odds to be the Group of 5 playoff team because they have 2 road wins over Power 4 teams: 27-7 rout at Houston on 8/31 and a 23-20 win at Kansas on 9/13. UNLV is coming off a bye week and about to begin conference play and host Syracuse on 10/4. It sounds like Matt Sluka should fire his agent. He should have gotten an agreement in writing before camp. UNLV deserves some blame too, but Sluka played 4 years at Holy Cros and was fortunate to get an opportunity at UNLV. With this fiasco, Skula is unlikely to get picked up by a Power 4 team or even another Group of 5 team in 2025.

The new NIL rules, transfer portal, and conference alignments have turned major college sports into semi-professional leagues. The conference leaders are prioritizing TV network revenue over the welfare of athletes and fans. The athletes are no longer students, and college education has become an afterthought. Many traditions have been eliminated. Still, I will stay interested in the major Aggies sports until I die. My excitement level fluctuates, but I will never lose interest.

Not a chance

My dad played semi-pro baseball before college in Dallas in the late 50s. The college athlete experience is almost entirely professionalized except the traditional grants in aid didn't cover full cost of attendance and especially impacted lower income students whose parents couldn't afford frequent travel.

In addition: the work load and travel during the season has been reported as being roughly twice what non-athlete students on average put in.

Under the table payments also turned it into semi-professional ball as you are calling it before the real money started flowing into the schools. Both the Alston SCOTUS decision and the potential House settlement acknowledge anti-trust violations and states acted to liberalize student athlete monetization allowing them to make money like influences do.

I'm glad you're still supporting and enjoying our teams. They work harder than you give them credit for doing. And very few of them have time to earn degrees that support them if the like most students don't go professional in sports…

The jealousy and envy that drove athletes into shamateurism has always supported ridiculous greed by those who control amateur athletics. You will never find more corruption than the IOC and the cynically self-regulating FIFA…which overseas professional athletes equally greedily.

How about a full scholarship, with free housing and food and medical care for 6 years??? Sounds like a good deal.

No surprise, the collective is denying all this. They really had no choice.

Full statement here from Friends of UNLV Collective. pic.twitter.com/WtWKAVZ6yi

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) September 25, 2024

BMX Bandit said:

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$3 Sack of Groceries said:

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So BMX, after seeing every Twitter link above, are you still asserting that I'm mistaken and this is anything other than "pay for play"?
Like I said, it was obvious from the get go what this was about.

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It is painful clear you just refuse to read what i have posted.

I said from the get go in the initial post that started this thread he's not getting the NIL opportunities he was promised, and that means money. your continued attempts to distort what I have posted are going to be ignored. feel free to have the last word, I won't be reading it.

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Of course you won't because despite all of your accusations that I'M wrong/mistaken/misunderstanding it's clear that you're the one who can't even keep your argument straight and are dying on your hill of obstinance.

In your own OP you wrote
"NIL is not "pay for play" but it's "you better pay what you said if you want me to play".

I responded saying NIL absolutley is pay for play and you went off the rails essentially responding "nuh uh!" and then proceeded to give nothing but examples of guys getting promised benefits for playing. If that's not pay for play, what is?!? How in the hell do you not understand that. You can nuance the hell outta what the benefits are but there is ZERO question that he was induced to play at UNLV for "benefits." Again, the picture book definition of pay for play.

I read every one of your retorts and you did nothing but consistently emphasize that fact that this unquestionably pay for play. You've got insiders on Twitter telling you that the dust up was over the amount paid….which is exactly what I told you it was (and anyone with any common sense and without an agenda obviously knew).

And now you're going to attempt to claim some sort of faux maturity bit and take your ball and go home? Give me a ****ing break.

Oh no!! How will they ever replace a qb averaging 106 passing yards a game at a 43.8% completion rate!? This is a catastrophe!

(No, those dog **** statistics are not a typo.)

More here

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/matthew-sluka-deserts-unlv-unfulfilled-nil-promise-drives-starting-qb-of-undefeated-cfp-hopeful-to-quit/

Deputy Travis Junior said:

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Oh no!! How will they ever replace a qb averaging 106 passing yards a game at a 43.8% completion rate!? This is a catastrophe!

(No, those dog **** statistics are not a typo.)

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He was also their leading rusher with 85 yards a game.

PhatMack19 said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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Oh no!! How will they ever replace a qb averaging 106 passing yards a game at a 43.8% completion rate!? This is a catastrophe!

(No, those dog **** statistics are not a typo.)

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He was also their leading rusher with 85 yards a game.

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So their fan base wants qb2 to start?

I don't think Gino and Vinny are going to like this news. I would be wary of horseheads in the morning.

PhatMack19 said:

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Deputy Travis Junior said:

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Oh no!! How will they ever replace a qb averaging 106 passing yards a game at a 43.8% completion rate!? This is a catastrophe!

(No, those dog **** statistics are not a typo.)

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He was also their leading rusher with 85 yards a game.

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Obviously helps, but that's still under 200 yards a game from your qb, which is awful. We were all worried by Reed's showing and he had 173 yards passing and 91 rushing (264 total yards).

Bear quits too?

BREAKING: USC DL Bear Alexander plans to redshirt the remainder of the season and enter the transfer portal, @C_Morrissette reports.https://t.co/h1ohDSbs0J pic.twitter.com/hrSXjou8kM

— On3 (@On3sports) September 26, 2024

College football sucks

It's always funny watching the "learn to code" crowd get upset when players want to get paid. If my job stopped paying me I wouldn't show up, and yes I do have a contract

Whoa, now the UNLV RB

NEWS: UNLV RB Michael Allen announced his plan to redshirt the remainder of the season and enter the transfer portal.

Allen transferred in from NC State this offseason.https://t.co/8oVpvGAgYF pic.twitter.com/kddHAJNa0B

— On3 (@On3sports) September 25, 2024

Let's and some performance metrics for the player In there as well, play poorly and get paid less

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It's always funny watching the "learn to code" crowd get upset when players want to get paid. If my job stopped paying me I wouldn't show up, and yes I do have a contract

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I'm not upset, and they have other options. Those burgers aren't going to flip themselves.

Go to the pros if you want to get paid.

College football should adopt the ivy League model. No athletic scholarships. You pay. Wanna get paid? Go pro

That's one of the worst ideas I've heard.

I don't care what you think.

I think it's a far better way to do it than we have now.

If kids can get paid like pros, then they should have contracts like pros. Since they can't have contracts like pros, there shouldn't be any compensation to be a "student athlete."

Or, give out athletic scholarships in exchange for services and that be the only compensation one receives to play college sports. You want to make cash money, go pro.

There's no doubt as we can now see that NIL will kill all that's good with college football.

BMX Bandit said:

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UNLV starting QB Matt Sluka announces he will redshirt & won’t play rest of season. “I committed to UNLV based on certain representatives that were made to me, which were not upheld after I enrolled. Despite discussions, it became clear these commitments would not be fulfilled in…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) September 25, 2024

So he's not getting the NIL opportunities he was told would come


Right before massive game against Fresno state

NIL is not "pay for play" but it's "you better pay what you said if you want me to play"

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So can the school not revoke his scholarship as well?? Where's the leverage of the school? I know NIL money is all the rage now, but let's not pretend that scholarships are worthless. Make this kid train on his own and get behind in school.

Who?mikejones! said:

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There's no doubt as we can now see that NIL will kill all that's good with college football.

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That was obvious to anyone with a brain the second this whole NIL **** was proposed. Adding the portal changes only sped up the process to ruin the entire system.

And here we are, only getting worse...

The Weast Side of Kyle said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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UNLV starting QB Matt Sluka announces he will redshirt & won’t play rest of season. “I committed to UNLV based on certain representatives that were made to me, which were not upheld after I enrolled. Despite discussions, it became clear these commitments would not be fulfilled in…

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) September 25, 2024

So he's not getting the NIL opportunities he was told would come


Right before massive game against Fresno state

NIL is not "pay for play" but it's "you better pay what you said if you want me to play"

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So can the school not revoke his scholarship as well?? Where's the leverage of the school? I know NIL money is all the rage now, but let's not pretend that scholarships are worthless. Make this kid train on his own and get behind in school.

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I actually agree that if they see no value in everything else being paid for as a form of compensation, then it should all be paid out of pocket after their TAXED paycheck is put into their bank accounts. Tuition, room and board, meals, women...everything, you pay your own way or have it paid for by other means; not by the school or the taxpayers. They want to be paid like adults, then they should have to take on all the responsibilities that everyone else has to take care of on their own. Otherwise they double dip, all while demanding more and more. The rest of us don't have that benefit. But I don't get to whine that I'm a half Mexican 5'8" average guy who hasn't been gifted with physical attributes that the rest of us would kill to have.

And all of these jackasses who opt out of the entire damn season, making the decision to quit and redshirt so they can get a job somewhere else should have to pay back EVERY dime that they have been given for the year they are there. This is basically a breach of contract. Thus, they have to pay back all of the free ride they have been given thus far. And promptly escorted off campus. Just like everyone else who quits their job after accepting a huge signing bonus, as well as in essence a year of compensation. Any of you on here who defend this behavior, comparing it to regular job jumping, should agree with this. You can't quit AND still be paid. If you quit, then you can't continue to come in, get free lunches, and continue to get your paycheck every 2 weeks. If you got a signing bonus, but didn't meet the terms of the agreement, then this has to be paid back; at least a pro-rated amount, at minimum.

They quit on the team, then they have to leave campus, and pay back everything they have been given. In a fair world, there should also be early termination penalties as well, especially since they have taken up a scholarship/roster spot that has been wasted on a quitter, depriving someone who actually wants to play of a spot.

There has to start being penalties and some sort of consequences to what these kids are doing. They have all the leverage right now, and can basically do anything they want.

Yes let's let kids play this dangerous sport with no insurance coverage and see how that pans out, especially when half of them come from impoverished homes

Blame the NFL.

Why?

Because they use the NCAA as their development league, instead of initiating their own.

In nearly every sport across the world, they're are channels for youth players to become professionals at early ages and get compensated for their talent

Here, the NFL decided they'd let the college be that league. There is no opportunity for 18 year olds to play anywhere but college.

If I ran the NCAA, I'd say this:

In exchange of 4 years of eligibility, plus one redshirt year, you get, provided by the institution as compensation:

4 year scholarship
Room and board
Medical insurance

That's it. If you want cash money, you're more than free to pursue it, just not as part of the NCAA. It's a really good ****ing deal.

hell, maybe the NCAA should provide the scholarships with fees paid for by conferences and/or schools.

really dumb on UNLV the exposure around a good season is worth more to the school then 100k.

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He's at UNLV for a reason and that's because he wasn't good enough to get an offer somewhere better

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Looks like he didn't even get what was offered at UNLV.


Do you blame him for wanting to try to make money? As a fan it would piss me off to high heaven. But I get it. He's not going to NFL. Needs to maximize his chance to earn money now.

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Or he could focus on graduating a getting a real job like the rest of us

Why should players be limited what people with your mentality decide? I'm a capitalist and believe in a free market economy, if somebody wants to pay me more why shouldn't I take the job?