How about mediocre recruiting and talent evaluation? Grades be damned - Stars be damned and you're not going to get all the best TXHSFB players but, when you're not signing guys like the ones below you're not going to compete with the big boys consistently:
JK Dobbins
CeeDee Lamb
Garrett Wilson
Solomon Thomas
Jalen Hurts
J Waddle
Ed Oliver
AShawn Robinson
Mike Brockers
Danielle Hunter
Aaron Jones
Jamal Adams
Jalen Mills
Xavien Howard
Barron Browning
Dez Bryant
Adrian Peterson
Kenneth Murray
This list goes on and on and on....

they're not actually better than us, look at our power rating

like clockwork

jimbo would lose 4-5 games a year in any p5 conference at this point

Trent Williams and Jason Peters have been the two best OTs in the NFC for a decade+
TW is the best OL in the NFL....
A championship program doesn't let them both get out of state to go to OU and Arkansas respectively....

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These teams are in CFP ahead of Ags with less resources, facilities, recruiting, cheaper coach..

Ole Miss
Louisville
Oregon St
Mizzou
Kansas
Utah
Arizona
Iowa
Tulane
UNC
K State

Why are we so mediocre…!!! JIMBO…. But why does every coach we hire always have us stuck in mediocrity.. what is the the issue. Seriously..!

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We would beat all of those teams except ole Miss obviously. And they all play in weaker conferences.

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Hopefully one of those teams will be the bowl matchup.

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NoahAg said:

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These teams are in CFP ahead of Ags with less resources, facilities, recruiting, cheaper coach..

Ole Miss
Louisville
Oregon St
Mizzou
Kansas
Utah
Arizona
Iowa
Tulane
UNC
K State

Why are we so mediocre…!!! JIMBO…. But why does every coach we hire always have us stuck in mediocrity.. what is the the issue. Seriously..!

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We would beat all of those teams except ole Miss obviously. And they all play in weaker conferences.

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Hopefully one of those teams will be the bowl matchup.

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teams i think we would beat from that list: utah if their backup qb was still playing because they are nearly as hopeless on offense as us, tulane, and iowa

we would be in absolute dogfights and with the rest

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Because we never hire up and coming HC's. We always hire once successful but past their prime HC's who see this position as a way to get an easy retirement.

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Sumlin was an up and comer.

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Jimbo Fisher: 58 years old
Kevin Sumlin: 59 years old

He was def not an up and comer by the time he came here.

Also, at least we didn't make that stupid extension with him, which is the crux of the issue with Jimbo. Hiring misses can happen, but it's stupid as hell to extend a coach that didn't achieve what he was hired for in the first place.

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I'm almost convinced it's the College Station water...

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RC Slocum put a voodoo curse on the program when he was fired. It won't be lifted until he passes. Doesn't matter who we hire, we'll never get there until he's gone.

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We've lost close to 3 good teams. Miami is a blemish on the resume, however.

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Maybe you're satisfied with us being a traditional average-mediocre team, but just for once, I'd like to see A&M not care about what kind of team they lost to and just focus on winning no matter who the opponent is.

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No, Im not satisfied. I want to WIN games against good competition. Im just saying that it is possible to be a good team and still lose to better teams. Rankings look at record more than anything.

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If we were on track to having double digit wins (2 losses), then I'd agree with you. 4 losses though? It's really meaningless to analyze how good or bad our losses were, because honestly, how does that get us to the playoffs or even a Ny6?

Me saying that to you was kinda unfair but it's mostly because I'm reaching a boiling point with the comment, "We lost to a really good X team". It has become the ultimate loser excuse for sunshine pumpers preaching how thinking anything more than that is "toxic" and "not reasonable". Pretty good gaslighting technique by them to prevent other fans for demanding for more.

I just strongly think that kind of comment hurts the standards of this fanbase and ultimately the program at this point.

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While on the one hand every team losses to really good X teams, it's year 6 and A&M is paying the HD $10M a year to WIN THOSE GAMES. And in reality the loses are not to 'really good X teams", the losses are to dumb mistakes, a poor OL and bad offensive philosophy that cannot consistently score points.

It's year SIX and the HC is still taking timeouts in gams b/c they cannot get the play call in on time.

It's year SIX and A&M has lost 9 road games in a row.

It's year SIX and the OL looks as confused as a pop warner team at times.

If it was year SIX and we just lost b/c the other team just outplayed us, it would be 'this sucks' but they were better. But it's year six and the Ags are losing b/c of all those issues I noted above and more.

This team should be a well oiled machine at this point. The offense looks like a rusty gate. I mean it will open, and you latch it closed and can keep the dog in the back yard, but it squeals like a banshee and it's about to fall of the hinges.

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How many of those teams are actually better than us, though? We aren't very good, that is apparent, but a lot of these team's rankings are inflated to bolster playoff resumes.

Louisville's best wins are over unranked teams, and they have a 17-point loss to 2-7 Pitt.

Oklahoma St. lost to Sun Belt bottom-dweller, South Alabama, by 26(!!!!!) points. They also lost to 5-4 Iowa State...there is absolutely no way that they are a top-15 team in the country.

Missouri has a ranked win over KSU (who remained in the poll despite losing last week when ranked 23) and has lost by two scores to the two other ranked teams that they have played.

Kansas has a 26-point loss on their resume, a loss to Oklahoma St., who lost to Southern Alabama by 26, and their lone impressive result is a fluke win over OU.

Arizona has three losses, including two against unranked opponents, Mississippi St. and USC.

Iowa has 0 ranked wins and a 31-point loss to Penn. St. and a loss to 5-4 Minnesota.

Tulane lost to the one relevant team they played (Ole Miss) by 17. Some of their notable wins include a 3-point win against ECU, a 2-point win over Rice, and a 7-point win over North Texas.

KSU also has three losses and no ranked wins. It boggles my mind they stayed in the poll after losing when they were ranked 23rd.

A&M is not very good this year, but we are better than a lot of these teams. If you are dropping games against South Alabama, Pitt, Mississippi St., Minnesota, etc., you probably are going 0-3 against Alabama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee.

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Go look at our last 3-4 years and tell me we haven't been living on beating mediocre teams and claiming moral victories. Over that timeframe we have last year's win over LSU and the 2021 win over Alabama, but that's about it. Florida in 2020 was the only other team that finished with 8 or more wins that we beat. Every other win was over losing teams or teams that went 7-6. We've got a loss to App State, a loss to 5-7 Auburn, and losses to 6 win LSU and Florida teams, though.

To say we're not very good this year is kind of misleading. We haven't been very good for a long time.

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Zachary Klement said:

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Because we never hire up and coming HC's. We always hire once successful but past their prime HC's who see this position as a way to get an easy retirement.

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Sumlin was an up and comer.

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He was def not an up and comer by the time he came here.

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He was. He had two ten win seasons in 4 years at Houston, and lots of people said he would have had a third of Keenum didn't get hurt. He was getting a lot of talk as a guy who would make a successful jump into the P5 and take a own to the next level given the right resources.

Some I do agree with, but some may not be a proper comparative.

Play the same sched as some and we would be better than 5-4 'today' or send them against Bama, Tenn there, Ol Piss there, UM there....and who knows how they looks. Yes, we should be better, but UNC has underperformed w so called best QB in the country (starting the year), Tulane's sched? Louisville sched? Unsure on UK and KSU (both play well due to appears to be good coaching). Ariz is improving, but, what have they really done (lost to MSU in OT?)?

Anyways, get the point, but no totally comparable.

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How many of those teams are actually better than us, though? We aren't very good, that is apparent, but a lot of these team's rankings are inflated to bolster playoff resumes.

Louisville's best wins are over unranked teams, and they have a 17-point loss to 2-7 Pitt.

Oklahoma St. lost to Sun Belt bottom-dweller, South Alabama, by 26(!!!!!) points. They also lost to 5-4 Iowa State...there is absolutely no way that they are a top-15 team in the country.

Missouri has a ranked win over KSU (who remained in the poll despite losing last week when ranked 23) and has lost by two scores to the two other ranked teams that they have played.

Kansas has a 26-point loss on their resume, a loss to Oklahoma St., who lost to Southern Alabama by 26, and their lone impressive result is a fluke win over OU.

Arizona has three losses, including two against unranked opponents, Mississippi St. and USC.

Iowa has 0 ranked wins and a 31-point loss to Penn. St. and a loss to 5-4 Minnesota.

Tulane lost to the one relevant team they played (Ole Miss) by 17. Some of their notable wins include a 3-point win against ECU, a 2-point win over Rice, and a 7-point win over North Texas.

KSU also has three losses and no ranked wins. It boggles my mind they stayed in the poll after losing when they were ranked 23rd.

A&M is not very good this year, but we are better than a lot of these teams. If you are dropping games against South Alabama, Pitt, Mississippi St., Minnesota, etc., you probably are going 0-3 against Alabama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee.

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yo you and me got the same last name hombre. pretty sure we gotta be related.

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Aye hit me up

PyriteAg said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Because we never hire up and coming HC's. We always hire once successful but past their prime HC's who see this position as a way to get an easy retirement.

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Sumlin was an up and comer.

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Jimbo Fisher: 58 years old
Kevin Sumlin: 59 years old

He was def not an up and comer by the time he came here.

Also, at least we didn't make that stupid extension with him, which is the crux of the issue with Jimbo. Hiring misses can happen, but it's stupid as hell to extend a coach that didn't achieve what he was hired for in the first place.

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He's 59 now. You realize we hired him 11 years ago, right?

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How many of those teams are actually better than us, though? We aren't very good, that is apparent, but a lot of these team's rankings are inflated to bolster playoff resumes.

Louisville's best wins are over unranked teams, and they have a 17-point loss to 2-7 Pitt.

Oklahoma St. lost to Sun Belt bottom-dweller, South Alabama, by 26(!!!!!) points. They also lost to 5-4 Iowa State...there is absolutely no way that they are a top-15 team in the country.

Missouri has a ranked win over KSU (who remained in the poll despite losing last week when ranked 23) and has lost by two scores to the two other ranked teams that they have played.

Kansas has a 26-point loss on their resume, a loss to Oklahoma St., who lost to Southern Alabama by 26, and their lone impressive result is a fluke win over OU.

Arizona has three losses, including two against unranked opponents, Mississippi St. and USC.

Iowa has 0 ranked wins and a 31-point loss to Penn. St. and a loss to 5-4 Minnesota.

Tulane lost to the one relevant team they played (Ole Miss) by 17. Some of their notable wins include a 3-point win against ECU, a 2-point win over Rice, and a 7-point win over North Texas.

KSU also has three losses and no ranked wins. It boggles my mind they stayed in the poll after losing when they were ranked 23rd.

A&M is not very good this year, but we are better than a lot of these teams. If you are dropping games against South Alabama, Pitt, Mississippi St., Minnesota, etc., you probably are going 0-3 against Alabama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee.

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Go look at our last 3-4 years and tell me we haven't been living on beating mediocre teams and claiming moral victories. Over that timeframe we have last year's win over LSU and the 2021 win over Alabama, but that's about it. Florida in 2020 was the only other team that finished with 8 or more wins that we beat. Every other win was over losing teams or teams that went 7-6. We've got a loss to App State, a loss to 5-7 Auburn, and losses to 6 win LSU and Florida teams, though.

To say we're not very good this year is kind of misleading. We haven't been very good for a long time.

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I don't disagree with you, but I'd argue none of those teams have a win as impressive as our win over Bama or LSU in the last couple years.

We aren't good. I believe that. But none of those teams are good and I don't think most of them are better than us. If Kansas State or Kansas is your marque win and you're ranked, you are probably fraudulent.

Zachary Klement said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Because we never hire up and coming HC's. We always hire once successful but past their prime HC's who see this position as a way to get an easy retirement.

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Sumlin was an up and comer.

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Jimbo Fisher: 58 years old
Kevin Sumlin: 59 years old

He was def not an up and comer by the time he came here.

Also, at least we didn't make that stupid extension with him, which is the crux of the issue with Jimbo. Hiring misses can happen, but it's stupid as hell to extend a coach that didn't achieve what he was hired for in the first place.

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He's 59 now. You realize we hired him 11 years ago, right?

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How is 48 an "up and comer"?

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How many of those teams are actually better than us, though? We aren't very good, that is apparent, but a lot of these team's rankings are inflated to bolster playoff resumes.

Louisville's best wins are over unranked teams, and they have a 17-point loss to 2-7 Pitt.

Oklahoma St. lost to Sun Belt bottom-dweller, South Alabama, by 26(!!!!!) points. They also lost to 5-4 Iowa State...there is absolutely no way that they are a top-15 team in the country.

Missouri has a ranked win over KSU (who remained in the poll despite losing last week when ranked 23) and has lost by two scores to the two other ranked teams that they have played.

Kansas has a 26-point loss on their resume, a loss to Oklahoma St., who lost to Southern Alabama by 26, and their lone impressive result is a fluke win over OU.

Arizona has three losses, including two against unranked opponents, Mississippi St. and USC.

Iowa has 0 ranked wins and a 31-point loss to Penn. St. and a loss to 5-4 Minnesota.

Tulane lost to the one relevant team they played (Ole Miss) by 17. Some of their notable wins include a 3-point win against ECU, a 2-point win over Rice, and a 7-point win over North Texas.

KSU also has three losses and no ranked wins. It boggles my mind they stayed in the poll after losing when they were ranked 23rd.

A&M is not very good this year, but we are better than a lot of these teams. If you are dropping games against South Alabama, Pitt, Mississippi St., Minnesota, etc., you probably are going 0-3 against Alabama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee.

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A&M lost to App. State....AT home.

Nothing I've seen this year makes me think A&M could even beat 1/3 of those teams you listed. You know what the vast majority of those teams do that A&M doesn't? Win when it counts. A&M given gifts and they piss it away. I bet money A&M struggles to beat miss. state at home, if they win at all. Hell, they struggled against SC at home.

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Because we never hire up and coming HC's. We always hire once successful but past their prime HC's who see this position as a way to get an easy retirement.

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Sherman was an "Up and Comer" of sorts

Sumlin was definitely an "Up and Comer".

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PyriteAg said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Because we never hire up and coming HC's. We always hire once successful but past their prime HC's who see this position as a way to get an easy retirement.

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Sumlin was an up and comer.

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Jimbo Fisher: 58 years old
Kevin Sumlin: 59 years old

He was def not an up and comer by the time he came here.

Also, at least we didn't make that stupid extension with him, which is the crux of the issue with Jimbo. Hiring misses can happen, but it's stupid as hell to extend a coach that didn't achieve what he was hired for in the first place.

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He's 59 now. You realize we hired him 11 years ago, right?

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How is 48 an "up and comer"?

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48 with two ten win seasons in four as a head coach at an FBS school and a stint at OU as OC. You say that about anyone and they're an up and comer to make the jump to a big time P5 program looking to upgrade.

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These teams are in CFP ahead of Ags with less resources, facilities, recruiting, cheaper coach..

Ole Miss They really aren't as far behind in the $$ game as you'd think, and Kiffin is a good coach.
Louisville This team is having one of the best years in their recent memory and is roughly even with us in predictive models.
Oregon St This team is having one of the best years in their recent memory and is roughly even with us in predictive models.
Mizzou I can't find a predictive model that says they are better than us.
Kansas These guys are nowhere near us in predictive models.
Utah I can't find a predictive model that says they are better than us.
Arizona I can't find a predictive model that says they are better than us.
Iowa These guys are nowhere near us in predictive models.
Tulane These guys are nowhere near us in predictive models.
UNC I can't find a predictive model that says they are better than us.
K State You may have a point here, though it is worth pointing out that their best win so far is against...maybe TCU? Texas Tech? They've played a lot of fluff competition is what I am saying.

Why are we so mediocre…!!! JIMBO…. But why does every coach we hire always have us stuck in mediocrity.. what is the the issue. Seriously..!

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I hate to break this to you, but you 90% of what you typed above ...

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90% of the time, people don't actually "hate to break this to you"

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These teams are in CFP ahead of Ags with less resources, facilities, recruiting, cheaper coach..

Ole Miss They really aren't as far behind in the $$ game as you'd think, and Kiffin is a good coach.
Louisville This team is having one of the best years in their recent memory and is roughly even with us in predictive models.
Oregon St This team is having one of the best years in their recent memory and is roughly even with us in predictive models.
Mizzou I can't find a predictive model that says they are better than us.
Kansas These guys are nowhere near us in predictive models.
Utah I can't find a predictive model that says they are better than us.
Arizona I can't find a predictive model that says they are better than us.
Iowa These guys are nowhere near us in predictive models.
Tulane These guys are nowhere near us in predictive models.
UNC I can't find a predictive model that says they are better than us.
K State You may have a point here, though it is worth pointing out that their best win so far is against...maybe TCU? Texas Tech? They've played a lot of fluff competition is what I am saying.

Why are we so mediocre…!!! JIMBO…. But why does every coach we hire always have us stuck in mediocrity.. what is the the issue. Seriously..!

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I hate to break this to you, but you 90% of what you typed above can be answered with one word: schedule. CFP mainly looks at win loss record, and that favors teams in the less competitive conferences/divisions. There are maybe four teams in you list that would be favored against us in a bowl game right now, including Ole Miss, which only beat us by 3 points at their house (which is usually assumed to add about a 3 point advantage).

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So all A&M has to do is rewrite their algorithms and we're good to go? Only one way to beat that "pesky" predictive model.

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PyriteAg said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Because we never hire up and coming HC's. We always hire once successful but past their prime HC's who see this position as a way to get an easy retirement.

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Sumlin was an up and comer.

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Jimbo Fisher: 58 years old
Kevin Sumlin: 59 years old

He was def not an up and comer by the time he came here.

Also, at least we didn't make that stupid extension with him, which is the crux of the issue with Jimbo. Hiring misses can happen, but it's stupid as hell to extend a coach that didn't achieve what he was hired for in the first place.

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He's 59 now. You realize we hired him 11 years ago, right?

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How is 48 an "up and comer"?

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48 with two ten win seasons in four as a head coach at an FBS school and a stint at OU as OC. You say that about anyone and they're an up and comer to make the jump to a big time P5 program looking to upgrade.

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Sumlin appeared to have been a good hire at the time. The extension was bad (not Jimbo-extension bad) but the hire itself at the time was sensible.

But to call a 48 year-old an "up and comer" is bizarre. He reached his peak at his first year here and was on a downward trend after that. That's not an "up and comer".

Insert wat Gif.

He had one HC job before us at UH… he's the definition of an up and comer. By your terms what pool should we hire an up and comer from?

High school assistant coaches, pee wee coaches, or non p5 special teams coaches, or what?

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How many of those teams are actually better than us, though? We aren't very good, that is apparent, but a lot of these team's rankings are inflated to bolster playoff resumes.

Louisville's best wins are over unranked teams, and they have a 17-point loss to 2-7 Pitt.

Oklahoma St. lost to Sun Belt bottom-dweller, South Alabama, by 26(!!!!!) points. They also lost to 5-4 Iowa State...there is absolutely no way that they are a top-15 team in the country.

Missouri has a ranked win over KSU (who remained in the poll despite losing last week when ranked 23) and has lost by two scores to the two other ranked teams that they have played.

Kansas has a 26-point loss on their resume, a loss to Oklahoma St., who lost to Southern Alabama by 26, and their lone impressive result is a fluke win over OU.

Arizona has three losses, including two against unranked opponents, Mississippi St. and USC.

Iowa has 0 ranked wins and a 31-point loss to Penn. St. and a loss to 5-4 Minnesota.

Tulane lost to the one relevant team they played (Ole Miss) by 17. Some of their notable wins include a 3-point win against ECU, a 2-point win over Rice, and a 7-point win over North Texas.

KSU also has three losses and no ranked wins. It boggles my mind they stayed in the poll after losing when they were ranked 23rd.

A&M is not very good this year, but we are better than a lot of these teams. If you are dropping games against South Alabama, Pitt, Mississippi St., Minnesota, etc., you probably are going 0-3 against Alabama, Ole Miss, and Tennessee.

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A&M lost to App. State....AT home.

Nothing I've seen this year makes me think A&M could even beat 1/3 of those teams you listed. You know what the vast majority of those teams do that A&M doesn't? Win when it counts. A&M given gifts and they piss it away. I bet money A&M struggles to beat miss. state at home, if they win at all. Hell, they struggled against SC at home.

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How is losing to Southern Alabama, Mississippi State, Minnesota, etc. winning when it counts?

PyriteAg said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Because we never hire up and coming HC's. We always hire once successful but past their prime HC's who see this position as a way to get an easy retirement.

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Sumlin was an up and comer.

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Jimbo Fisher: 58 years old
Kevin Sumlin: 59 years old

He was def not an up and comer by the time he came here.

Also, at least we didn't make that stupid extension with him, which is the crux of the issue with Jimbo. Hiring misses can happen, but it's stupid as hell to extend a coach that didn't achieve what he was hired for in the first place.

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He's 59 now. You realize we hired him 11 years ago, right?

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How is 48 an "up and comer"?

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He'd been a head coach for four years. Most head coaches don't get big time gigs when they're 24 years old.

Zachary Klement said:

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PyriteAg said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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PyriteAg said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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SBISA Victim said:

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Because we never hire up and coming HC's. We always hire once successful but past their prime HC's who see this position as a way to get an easy retirement.

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Sumlin was an up and comer.

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Jimbo Fisher: 58 years old
Kevin Sumlin: 59 years old

He was def not an up and comer by the time he came here.

Also, at least we didn't make that stupid extension with him, which is the crux of the issue with Jimbo. Hiring misses can happen, but it's stupid as hell to extend a coach that didn't achieve what he was hired for in the first place.

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He's 59 now. You realize we hired him 11 years ago, right?

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How is 48 an "up and comer"?

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He'd been a head coach for four years. Most head coaches don't get big time gigs when they're 24 years old.

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"Up and comers" are only limited to head coaching experience?

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Why are we so mediocre…!!! JIMBO…. But why does every coach we hire always have us stuck in mediocrity.. what is the the issue. Seriously..!

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Maybe it's not a coaching issue…

How can you blame Jimbo when this program has under achieved pretty much .. forever??

I could understand if we had multiple national tires and conference titles and one coach changed that bit that's not the case

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In the grand scheme of things, you're absolutely right. It's not just a coaching issue.

It's the issue of the people constantly hiring retreads and old coaches that are looking to retire soon. They're not letting the AD do his job with analyzing the pool for the best candidates and hiring the right guy to be the head coach.

At the same time, people who should be holding these guys accountable are the fans. They should be voicing their displeasure, demanding for more, and not giving money or any resources to the program if they truly want to see a better product on the field. Capitalism 101, and Aggies have traditionally failed at this for decades.

We have cultivated a tradition of failure where we value momentary pleasure over the fight for success.

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So is Scott Woodward not an AD? Or are you saying he had nothing to do with hiring Jimbo?

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PyriteAg said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Zachary Klement said:

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Because we never hire up and coming HC's. We always hire once successful but past their prime HC's who see this position as a way to get an easy retirement.

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Sumlin was an up and comer.

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Jimbo Fisher: 58 years old
Kevin Sumlin: 59 years old

He was def not an up and comer by the time he came here.

Also, at least we didn't make that stupid extension with him, which is the crux of the issue with Jimbo. Hiring misses can happen, but it's stupid as hell to extend a coach that didn't achieve what he was hired for in the first place.

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He's 59 now. You realize we hired him 11 years ago, right?

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How is 48 an "up and comer"?

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He'd been a head coach for four years. Most head coaches don't get big time gigs when they're 24 years old.

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"Up and comers" are only limited to head coaching experience?

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Are they limited only to a certain age group? I'd think people would associate the phrase more so with people with limited experience. But if you want to further argue the semantics of the phrase as it pertains to Kevin Sumlin, have at it.

On Thursday, No. 11 Louisville needed a 17-point fourth quarter to come back and beat 2-8 UVA by seven points.

No. 10 Penn St. is going to lose their second game against ranked teams, making them 1-2 against ranked opposition (until Iowa falls out of the polls, making them 0-2).

No. 16 Kansas currently trails 4-5 Texas Tech in the fourth quarter.

No. 23 Tulane leads 3-6 Tulsa by just one score late in the third.

No. 16 Kansas just lost to Tech.

No. 23 Tulane held on to beat powerhouse 3-7 Tulsa by two points.

The pissed of Aggie graduates of which I am one have a LOT of very good reasons for being totally pissed off!

Hopefully someone will publish the names of exactly who signed that insane coaching contract!

No. 21 Arizona trails 4-5 Colorado at the half.

No. 15 Oklahoma St. is down 14 early against 4-5 UCF.

We are in good shape. We will be better next year with an easier schedule. We will at least go
11-2 and Jimbo will get a raise and an extension.

It's because we do the horse laugh instead of booing.

Zachary Klement said:

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On Thursday, No. 11 Louisville needed a 17-point fourth quarter to come back and beat 2-8 UVA by seven points.

No. 10 Penn St. is going to lose their second game against ranked teams, making them 1-2 against ranked opposition (until Iowa falls out of the polls, making them 0-2).

No. 16 Kansas currently trails 4-5 Texas Tech in the fourth quarter.

No. 23 Tulane leads 3-6 Tulsa by just one score late in the third.

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While I certainly will not argue that most of those teams on the list have easier schedules, conversely, I would not feel comfortable that we would beat any of those teams either.