The last two years has seen college football take a quantum leap into a new era. What's happened in the past is dead and gone. The big10 is making a move to be the premier conference in college football. So grab a front row seat and see what happens.

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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zb008 said:

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The Big 10 has one FB natty in the last twenty years compared to the SEC's 14 (15 if you count sip). All that needs to be said. Ohio State fans think more about beating Bama in the 2015 semi-final than they do winning the MNC against Oregon. Again, all that needs to be said. The SEC is the measuring stick for all the other conferences when it comes to football, as evidenced by all the other conferences immediately reacting to the SEC adding sip and the thieves. Football is what realignment is centered around, and the SEC is the gold standard for football.

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Who had the other natty's? That would be USC. If USC gets it going again, do you think all of the California QBs keep going to the SEC? Its time to look to the future, hanging your hat on the past is a sure fire way to get passed.

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It's been nearly twenty years since USC's last natty. As long as Riley is their coach, they will have zero defense, so that drought will continue for the foreseeable future. Do you see Georgia, LSU, and Bama falling off in the near future? I think sip is much closer to figuring things out than USC is.

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UGA no, LSU and Bama yes. UGA has Atlanta money. Saban is already complaining about Bama not having the fire power to compete and they have been dominant. Can LSU afford to keep their players in state? My guess is no, Texas, A&M and many of the the other deep pockets will start to take a big bite out of the LSU recruiting base. I think Texas and USC are in similar situations, but I think USC is ahead. Sark hasn't proved anything any where.

That all sounds very familiar. The B1G has always been the media darling and the SEC the underdog.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Make no mistake this is a master stroke by the big 10. They just secured national college football.

Fitzwilly said:

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txagman1998 said:

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2023 is the final season of college football as we know it today. College football will basically be Saturday NFL from 2024 onward. Rivalries? Tradition? Who gives a damn…all that matters now is how big of a payday can the athletic department get from corporate media providers.

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As somebody who is just here as a college football fan and game watcher, I'm excited about the new match-ups. I never watch any of the smaller school's games anyway.

Better match-ups = more entertainment for me ... but maybe that's just me??

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What about when the whole thing comes finally crumbling down around their/your/our ears because of only 3 conferences, NIL, opting out, transfer portal, leaving early for pro draft, etc. Money finally trumps loyalty and the old college try. People lose interest.

That's true they have been thanks to the big media centers in NY and Chicago. Now they want to be the media darlings of the west coast and compete toe to toe with the SEC in their own back yard. That's the quantum leap they are attempting to take.

Bryanisbest said:

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Fitzwilly said:

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txagman1998 said:

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2023 is the final season of college football as we know it today. College football will basically be Saturday NFL from 2024 onward. Rivalries? Tradition? Who gives a damn…all that matters now is how big of a payday can the athletic department get from corporate media providers.

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As somebody who is just here as a college football fan and game watcher, I'm excited about the new match-ups. I never watch any of the smaller school's games anyway.

Better match-ups = more entertainment for me ... but maybe that's just me??

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What about when the whole thing comes finally crumbling down around their/your/our ears because of only 3 conferences, NIL, opting out, transfer portal, leaving early for pro draft, etc. Money finally trumps loyalty and the old college try. People lose interest.

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None of that matters for us, we hardly ever win enough to make the whole season interesting. Win we do win there are odd things like missing extra points in 2012 and Covid for 2020 to keep us out of championships. Maybe Jimbo can win the last real college football season

I think the Big Ten now goes to 20 teams by adding Cal/Stanford. With wise scheduling, they can feature good games from 11 AM to 1 AM Sunday.

Big 12 will get to 16 with Colorado, Utah, AZ and ASU.

The Pac12 now goes the way of Big East football, although I guess the Pac 12 could go with some MWC schools to try to retain its status unless they want to screw some MWC teams and only take the top 10 teams. More likely, Oregon State and WSU join the MWC and now have been "relegated".


I think a lot of these fans will be having the same amount of "fun" that Nebraska fans are having in the Big Ten.


Hopefully the 10 to 12 game conference schedule becomes the norm.

Iowaggie said:

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I think the Big Ten now goes to 20 teams by adding Cal/Stanford. With wise scheduling, they can feature good games from 11 AM to 1 AM Sunday.

Big 12 will get to 16 with Colorado, Utah, AZ and ASU.

The Pac12 now goes the way of Big East football, although I guess the Pac 12 could go with some MWC schools to try to retain its status unless they want to screw some MWC teams and only take the top 10 teams. More likely, Oregon State and WSU join the MWC and now have been "relegated".


I think a lot of these fans will be having the same amount of "fun" that Nebraska fans are having in the Big Ten.


Hopefully the 10 to 12 game conference schedule becomes the norm.

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Why would adding a couple dozen indifferent fans help the big10? Adding a region for the sake of adding territory is a bad reason to add schools. ****, they'd get more viewers by adding Boise state (I wish) than Stanford or cal.

How many Oregon or especially Washington games has anybody on this thread actually watched in the last few years on a random Saturday?

JJxvi said:

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How many Oregon or especially Washington games has anybody on this thread actually watched in the last few years on a random Saturday?

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Many, but I lived in Oregon

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How many Oregon or especially Washington games has anybody on this thread actually watched in the last few years on a random Saturday?

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A lot, but I usually have 2-3 games going on multiple TVs at any given time.

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Lots of people watch Oregon across the country. And a Washington is super popular in in the Pac NW.

I mean, Ive watched a lot of games as well, but the only ones I can actually think of watching were preseason kickoff games...Georgia last year, and Auburn a few years ago I think for Oregon. Other than that, just bowls.

The answer to the same question for Stanford and cal is zero, as it is for everyone, including in California. Fair number of ucla and usc games (maybe a couple a season), rarely wsu, pretty much no asu or Arizona. So it ends up mostly Oregon and Washington games in my house, of any of the pac schools.

Most pac schools are absolutely useless when it comes to adding viewership. And it's really not the schools fault for the most part. The west coast just has horrible college football fans. They're mostly nfl fans, with almost zero interest in college games.

I dont think there's any question that this is a big deal in Oregon and Washington, and its actually more interesting than the snooze USC/UCLA additions, IMO, but the Big Ten is not changing the power structure of college football without some of their programs actually coming through and winning. And, I think becoming so large, so fast is riskier than it seems, IMO.

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I hate all of the consolidation, but A&M needs to seriously consider moving to the Big 10 as well. It's all about dollars at this point and the Big 10 has teams in all of the major markets except Texas, Georgia and Florida. The amount of dollars coming into the Big 10 will dwarf the SEC. For the most part the schools are better in academics than the SEC schools and the Big 10 fans are way classier than the SEC fanbases. Plus a nice middle finger to the SEC for backdoring us with Texas.

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This HAS to be one of the dumber takes I've seen on this board…and that's saying something….

We need to up-and-leave the PREMIER athletic conference in the entire nation because you believe we've been "slighted" by Sankey for taking the 'sips next year??? Am I reading that right???

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Lol if true

They 100% changed the game. They have built gravity nationwide. East coast, Midwest, and west coast. True national college football conference.

…and another thing….
Just wait until they are 2-3 years into this. I'm guessing it's going to be a tough sell for recruits to come to a school where they have to travel 2 time zones to play a game. After that 2-3 year period, those young kids will talk to the guys that have been doing it for that long….IF they have kids that will stay that long for that.

Lol. The athletes care about money and exposure.

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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I hate all of the consolidation, but A&M needs to seriously consider moving to the Big 10 as well. It's all about dollars at this point and the Big 10 has teams in all of the major markets except Texas, Georgia and Florida. The amount of dollars coming into the Big 10 will dwarf the SEC. For the most part the schools are better in academics than the SEC schools and the Big 10 fans are way classier than the SEC fanbases. Plus a nice middle finger to the SEC for backdoring us with Texas.

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This HAS to be one of the dumber takes I've seen on this board…and that's saying something….

We need to up-and-leave the PREMIER athletic conference in the entire nation because you believe we've been "slighted" by Sankey for taking the 'sips next year??? Am I reading that right???

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Big 10 fan bases are classier than the SEC??? HUH???
Google "Michigan vs Ohio State"…..

Those people are animals….BOTH sides….

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…and another thing….
Just wait until they are 2-3 years into this. I'm guessing it's going to be a tough sell for recruits to come to a school where they have to travel 2 time zones to play a game. After that 2-3 year period, those young kids will talk to the guys that have been doing it for that long….IF they have kids that will stay that long for that.

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The Big 10 is officially cut off from Texas and Florida athletes. Assuming FSU stays out of the Big 10.

Why go there? Many, many options a lot closer to home.

Furlock Bones said:

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They 100% changed the game. They have built gravity nationwide. East coast, Midwest, and west coast. True national college football conference.

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To "change the game" means that in 5 or 10 years from now it has actually worked and they are viewed as the top conference by fans and players.

I'm not bullish on a "true national college football conference," until I see that doing that actually works, and by works I dont mean primarily just at putting money in the pockets of suits.

Come Out Roll said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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I hate all of the consolidation, but A&M needs to seriously consider moving to the Big 10 as well. It's all about dollars at this point and the Big 10 has teams in all of the major markets except Texas, Georgia and Florida. The amount of dollars coming into the Big 10 will dwarf the SEC. For the most part the schools are better in academics than the SEC schools and the Big 10 fans are way classier than the SEC fanbases. Plus a nice middle finger to the SEC for backdoring us with Texas.

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This HAS to be one of the dumber takes I've seen on this board…and that's saying something….

We need to up-and-leave the PREMIER athletic conference in the entire nation because you believe we've been "slighted" by Sankey for taking the 'sips next year??? Am I reading that right???

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If it's the PREMIER league, why is the Big 10 making more money? Since I am so dumb, go ahead and tell me why the market values the Big 10 more than the SEC. NIL is coming and people like you need to wake up.

Come Out Roll said:

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…and another thing….
Just wait until they are 2-3 years into this. I'm guessing it's going to be a tough sell for recruits to come to a school where they have to travel 2 time zones to play a game. After that 2-3 year period, those young kids will talk to the guys that have been doing it for that long….IF they have kids that will stay that long for that.

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Like all of those recruits we got from FLA? Time for you to wake up and smell the coffee. Its a brand new world today.

AggieHammer2000 said:

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Come Out Roll said:

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…and another thing….
Just wait until they are 2-3 years into this. I'm guessing it's going to be a tough sell for recruits to come to a school where they have to travel 2 time zones to play a game. After that 2-3 year period, those young kids will talk to the guys that have been doing it for that long….IF they have kids that will stay that long for that.

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Like all of those recruits we got from FLA? Time for you to wake up and smell the coffee. Its a brand new world today.

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Those recruits may have not gone to A&M….but they went to Florida, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Florida St, LSU, Miami and they have the National Championships to prove it. Maybe a handful went to Ohio St……

AggieHammer2000 said:

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Come Out Roll said:

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…and another thing….
Just wait until they are 2-3 years into this. I'm guessing it's going to be a tough sell for recruits to come to a school where they have to travel 2 time zones to play a game. After that 2-3 year period, those young kids will talk to the guys that have been doing it for that long….IF they have kids that will stay that long for that.

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Like all of those recruits we got from FLA? Time for you to wake up and smell the coffee. Its a brand new world today.

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A flight from BCS to Gainesville, FL is a big difference than flying from Eugene, OR to College Park, MD or State College, PA.

I agree 100%, but they will make the flight for the ample $s.

I think you just made my point for me.

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If it's the PREMIER league, why is the Big 10 making more money? Since I am so dumb, go ahead and tell me why the market values the Big 10 more than the SEC. NIL is coming and people like you need to wake up.

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I believe that the Big Ten is making more money because they have made riskier deals, meaning they are taking more of a gamble that rights fees are going to continue to go up and up and up, whereas the SEC has locked in its rights deals for a longer term. If the television market for sports goes through really drastic shifts, the SEC will likely be in better position to maintain their fees in bad times, but the Big Ten is positioned to further increase their fees in good times or have to take cuts if by 2030 the market for college football has tanked.

In addition, the Big Ten owns their own network, so they are more exposed to risk that direction as well. Part of the reason they are reacting to realignment so strongly is that they can not afford to have their network fail because they allowed the landscape of the sport to get away from them. The SEC's network, on the other hand, is more like a licensing agreement with ESPN where ESPN is still taking most of that risk.

AggieHammer2000 said:

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I hate all of the consolidation, but A&M needs to seriously consider moving to the Big 10 as well. It's all about dollars at this point and the Big 10 has teams in all of the major markets except Texas, Georgia and Florida. The amount of dollars coming into the Big 10 will dwarf the SEC. For the most part the schools are better in academics than the SEC schools and the Big 10 fans are way classier than the SEC fanbases. Plus a nice middle finger to the SEC for backdoring us with Texas.

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Ummm... Penn State and Ohio State fans are some of the worst I have ever met. While ND isnt in the B1G, they have the same northern vibe... Totally lost any credibility on this idea with that "classier" bit.

Interesting. I did not know that. It still doesn't change the fact the Big 10 has teams in the NYC, Chicago and LA markets, not mention Philladephia, Baltimore, DC, Detroit, Indianapolis, Portland and Seattle. That is alot of people, which will off set all of the football crazy folks in the south.