The PAC12 and their west coast attitude are their own worst enemies.
Yeah there are a lot of people in California but they don't watch college football so you can't monetize it the way the SEC and B1G can.

KCup17 said:

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The Pac 12 is immediately going to look to poach schools from the Big 12. Tech, Okie lite, Baylor and another will probably get offered spots. Cincy, UCF and BYU will be left out to dry.

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The PAC doesn't have anything they need.

Panama Red said:

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Love that people who have no clue about the situation, what information has been reviewed etc. can believe they know more about the situation than these school do and say its a dumb idea to move or for the Big 10 to take the schools.

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I'll grant you that no one on here knows anything but the so-called source for this report may be a hoax as well. What passes for journalism these days is laughable. This could be a trial balloon or it could be someone trying to engineer something that's in their interest, rather than the conference's or schools'.

If they can escape the PAC then the B1G likely has plans for a couple more teams

The conferences only make sense for football and maybe to some extent mens basketball but really only and truly football. And that is the case even now.

Does the A&M women's soccer, mens swimming and diving, tennis, volleyball, golf, softball, and even really baseball, do they really need to travel for conference competition? The answer is no, they don't.

Football stands alone in this regard, 12 game season, one game per week, on Saturday.

Even if the women's soccer games were all played on Saturday, they don't need to travel from TX to FL or SC to play.

All the other sports should be in separate regional conferences where playing longer seasons with midweek games the travel does not interfere with the actual student part of student-athlete and also keeps the costs down for sports that already lose a ton of $$ anyway.

CA schools in the B1G only makes sense for football, and even then barely.

How's that?

KCup17 said:

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The Pac 12 is immediately going to look to poach schools from the Big 12. Tech, Okie lite, Baylor and another will probably get offered spots. Cincy, UCF and BYU will be left out to dry.

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BYU would be one of the FIRST teams the PAC would look to add / poach. Technical, Okie Lite and baylor combined isn't worth BYU by itself in terms of brand, following, resources, fan base, reputation, etc., etc.,etc.

Charlie 31 said:

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Big 12 Source:

In the wake of USC and UCLA to the Big 10 rumors, Kansas University has had talks internally to try to make a push to join the Big East as soon as 2025, presumably going independent in football.

Would be a very large domino.

— Marc Fiscarelli (@MarcFiscHoops) June 30, 2022

It appears the Jayhawks were not happy to see increased football competition in the BDF with the sips moving to the SEC.

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How does KU finance their athletic program doing that?

True it's more likely that the Pac would take BYU in addition to those schools listed. But how would that work with BYU not joining the Big 12 until summer of '23. Say if Pac 12 extends invitations to BYU prior to the end of this year.

91AggieLawyer said:

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Charlie 31 said:

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Big 12 Source:

In the wake of USC and UCLA to the Big 10 rumors, Kansas University has had talks internally to try to make a push to join the Big East as soon as 2025, presumably going independent in football.

Would be a very large domino.

— Marc Fiscarelli (@MarcFiscHoops) June 30, 2022

It appears the Jayhawks were not happy to see increased football competition in the BDF with the sips moving to the SEC.

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How does KU finance their athletic program doing that?

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Agree. This writer seems to think Kansas is UCONN. It isn't. More money in the Big 12 than any of the other options mentioned. Plus the Big12 with the new teams being added make it one of the Elite basketball conferences in the nation.

Also agreed. Kansas in the Big East for basketball, and independent for football, does not pull in as much money as Kansas in the BDF. I am willing to be shown numbers that disprove my argument, though. Football is what drives the whole enchilada through the drive-through.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that the Big Ten will probably also try to grab Stanford and Cal. Good cultural fits.

What about this as a big 10 power play: try for ND, Texas, OU, and Stanford to go to 20? Most of Notre Dame's rivals would be in Big Ten, the sips could smell their own farts about all the academic schools, OU would have their top two rivals, and Stanford is good at sports no one cares about, is in a big media market, and they play Notre Dame.

As crazy things go, it's not impossible.

Kansas should just drop football.
Basketball is their top priority, and they don't care about football. Why waste the money?

I could see it. I think that OU stays in the SEC. They know how to mow their own yard and change their oil.
Texas fits in with the ascots and crumpets conference.

Buford T. Justice said:

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Kansas should just drop football.
Basketball is their top priority, and they don't care about football. Why waste the money?

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Because even at KU, football is profitable.

If the B1G were snag OU/tu from the SEC, the SEC would need to keep pace in the arms race. Only ones that would make sense would be Clemson / Va Tech / FSU / Miami, etc and would blow up the ACC.

The PAC, B12, and ACC losing all of their big names would make the league so top heavy that the B1G and SEC may as well make their own league. Give it north and south divisions, AFC/NFC style, and balloon to 32 teams each while picking the scraps of the other conferences.

tech/uh/baylor can puff their chests out as rotating FCS champions.

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Iraq2xVeteran said:

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USC/UCLA will be three time zones away from the entire Big 10 East, and that will create logistical problems.

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I think the money will help them figure it out. As a SoCal resident I'm pumped up about this.

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Travel is freaking expensive. And I'm sure they're going to have great fun wearing themselves out to play a bunch of trash baseball, softball, soccer, swimming, tennis, track, golf, etc., etc. programs.

This is as football-centric as it gets. Moving to the SEC comes with lots of upgrades across your athletic program, but this is a step down for the majority of USC and UCLA's athletic teams

Is it?

I think someone nailed it earlier: eventually, this is almost certainly to boil down to football supers then everything else regional. Even mens basketball and baseball in super-type conferences doesn't make any financial sense over regional conferences -- especially if you expand non-conference play -- since the movers and shakers in basketball are schools like Villanova, Gonzaga, KU and UK, among others. Few, if any, even worry about football season.

And none of the other sports really care about super conference status. Its only a travel pain in the ass for them. If this goes through, a lot of baseball programs are going to be shut down. What interest does a school like Rutgers have in traveling to LA to play USC or UCLA in a weekend baseball series? (Or vice-versa for that matter).

So 2 schools based in Los Angeles are going to be in the same conference as schools based in New Jersey and Maryland.

Buford T. Justice said:

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Kansas should just drop football.
Basketball is their top priority, and they don't care about football. Why waste the money?

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tu fans and alums reading this post:

Max Power said:

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So 2 schools based in Los Angeles are going to be in the same conference as schools based in New Jersey and Maryland.

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I would not be certain Rutgers and MD retain their status
The next round of expansion might come with some teams being jettisoned

Ugly said:

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Also, does this write the obituary for the "Alliance" less than a year into its existence?

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"We're going to form an alliance to stop realignment and the concentration of power around two conferences!"

(USC and UCLA leave for the B1G)

"*******it"

There has never been a reason to share equally shared revenue with someone that doesn't deserve it.

That's the only thing that's mattered for 40 years now.

Haha. This didn't age well jarrin. It's done

Bison said:

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Also agreed. Kansas in the Big East for basketball, and independent for football, does not pull in as much money as Kansas in the BDF. I am willing to be shown numbers that disprove my argument, though. Football is what drives the whole enchilada through the drive-through.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that the Big Ten will probably also try to grab Stanford and Cal. Good cultural fits.

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Except if you think about it, Kansas can then sell out their school to the big programs as money games (mostly away). Bama, A&M, USC, Notre Dame, et al would shell out money for that game to soften up their schedule.

It wouldn't amount to nearly the same kind of payouts they had in the Big 12 heyday, but it would be much better than the alternative (Big East, CUSA, American, etc). If true, they know their time in a big time conference is over unless the B1G miraculously picks them up in all sports to have access to the basketball clout.

Oregon appears to be the one who is temporarily ****ed.

Nino Brown said:

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There has never been a reason to share equally shared revenue with someone that doesn't deserve it.

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You literally just defined capitalism and why socialism never works all in one sentence.

Props to you, sir.

Nino Brown said:

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Oregon appears to be the one who is temporarily ****ed.

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Good. I'm honestly glad to see all the Pac schools getting screwed. I would rather that conference get hosed than what's left of the Big 12.

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Nino Brown said:

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There has never been a reason to share equally shared revenue with someone that doesn't deserve it.

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You literally just defined capitalism and why socialism never works all in one sentence.

Props to you, sir.

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Then boot Miss St, Ole Miss, South Carolina and Vandy. Maybe even Kentucky

91AggieLawyer said:

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Panama Red said:

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Love that people who have no clue about the situation, what information has been reviewed etc. can believe they know more about the situation than these school do and say its a dumb idea to move or for the Big 10 to take the schools.

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I'll grant you that no one on here knows anything but the so-called source for this report may be a hoax as well. What passes for journalism these days is laughable. This could be a trial balloon or it could be someone trying to engineer something that's in their interest, rather than the conference's or schools'.

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I'd say it was a solid source.

OFFICIAL: USC will join the Big Ten Conference in 2024.

— USC Trojans (@USC_Athletics) June 30, 2022

Jarrin' Jay said:

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No way the power brokers and politicians in Cali. let this happen. USC maybe as they are private with their own $$ and can do whatever they want really, but no way UCLA is able to do it.

It would be a stupid move anyway, and even if there are many benefits for UCLA and USC, I can't see any benefit to the B1G teams by adding these two.

Think there is a minimal chance for this to happen. Also, it doesn't really make sense logistically or for TV, etc. Still with the SEC was not short-sighted in accepting cow and OU but it made a lot more sense than adding two teams in CA to the B1G IMHO.

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It's already done. B1G Presidents just voted to accept them.

This will be a boon to California football, now they might be somewhat relevant again.