Stlkofta said:

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AngryAG said:

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The vote will be unanimous in the end. Bama and Disney will get everyone on board.

Longhorns & Sooners might wanna give this a listen 👇🏾 pic.twitter.com/Dqxw73eTcx

— David Allen (@Doc_Texas) July 22, 2021

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Don't see it happening. Texas doesn't add anything you'uns in Aggieland don't already give the conference.

If Texas truly added anything of worth, then we would have seen it through success with the LHN. The fact such evidence is lacking points to the fact they bring little to the table other than a desperate and tired wallflower trying to hook up with a dating population that is way above their level.

Oklahoma makes sense from the perspective that you are adding another strong program with a passionate fanbase who will truly bring something to the energy the conference already has in abundance.

Purely from the standpoint of the football culture, I'd rather have West Virginia than Texas as a partner with Oklahoma. Those two would be better fits and would bring an energy to the table that the PAC-12 wannabees in Austin simply lack. I'd rather see two schools with stadiums rocking and rolling at gametime than a group of Berkeley rejects who only show up sometime in the second quarter. We've got Vandy and Mizzou's fanbases for that. No need to add a bigger version of that sort of football climate to the SEC.

This being said, I really don't see the need to expand. The conference is good as it is and, considering the fact the NCAA is as close to castration as a bull next to Coach Sherrill, appears only to be moving forward far into the future as we enter this age of de facto semi-pro football.

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Give Finebaum an enema and you would bury him in a shoebox.

It's happening. A&M will 100% vote for this. There isn't a Redass in leadership. Just businessmen.

TxAG#2011 said:

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AngryAG said:

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Aggieair said:

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W said:

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Sankey is not Slive.

it won't be unanimous

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Exactly. I can't understand why any sane person would think it would be unanimous after Bjork's comments today.

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We won't vote on the losing side.

Mizzou has told Sankey they will go along. Arkie is actually pushing it.

it will be unanimous in the end.

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You literally don't know anything but are on here pretending like you do. Why?

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Imagine even thinking about pretending to be privy to how Missou and Arky will vote for a certainty.

Agvet12 said:

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TexasRenegade said:

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Lots of ways.

Ratings- Texas Ou brings big ratings.
Us and Texas will bring huge ratings
Us and Ou will be big
LSU vs Texas will be big
LSU vs OU will be big

Etc etc etc.

Long term it owns the state of Texas for SEC.
It prevents Pac or Big10 from getting a competitive foothold in the Texas market.

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If that was the case we'd be able to sway ND to join the SEC tbh.

It's not an outright no because it cements the sec the problem is the laws that govern SEC membership for Ole Greg.

B1G won't expand if we don't

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Another bizarre statement I see is those two going to the ACC or B1G?

They are going to leave the Big 12 and start flying up north or out east for every away game? The fans can't even drive to any of those schools

Ratings don't automatically equal more dollars. There are long term contracts in place based on TV markets. This brings in one small TV market.

RAB83 said:

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Gidnik said:

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bv86ag said:

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A&M..HELL NO.
Arkansas..no
Mizzou..no
LSU...no
Miss. St...no.
Ole Miss...no
Nick Saban...no
Auburn...no
Georgia...no
Florida...no
South Carolina...no
Vanderbilt...abstain
Kentucky...no
Sooooo....that pretty much takes care of it.
If you need an explanation as to why these schools would vote this way then you haven't studied the politics of SEC future expansion that have been discussed for years on this board.
You are also discounting the influence of Nick Saban and other SEC coaches who already enjoy a significant and heavy footprint in Texas recruiting. The whorns and blow u joining do not help improve the Texas recruiting scene for any SEC teams.
And the threat of retaliatory additions in the East that are particularly unsavory.

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it wouldnt have gotten this far along if there wasnt some sort of assurances given by Sankey to both OU and Texas. I was in the camp of "ill believe it when i see it", but now i am leaning more towards its going to happen. and i wouldnt doubt if it was unanimous. as Finebaum said, no way in hell the SEC lets Texas and Oklahoma go to the Big 10 or the ACC.

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Well, the BIG would never sully itself with Zero U academically.

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to your point


they would take texas in a new york minute.

Howdy Dammit said:

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It's happening. A&M will 100% vote for this. There isn't a Redass in leadership. Just businessmen.

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Revenues is not profit. Texas has major financial liabilities.

That's a myth.

Our own AD has already said we have no veto power on adding a Texas school. Also, if Texas and Ou get added we hit 16 and there are no other spots for other schools to worry about their instate rival getting added.

Jason Whitely
BREAKING:

SOURCES: After notifying the @Big12Conference early next week, @TexasLonghorns and @UofOklahoma will petition the @SEC for membership.

Don't know who he is, but if he is correct, they aren't asking publicly without already knowing the answer.

TxAG#2011 said:

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Agvet12 said:

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TexasRenegade said:

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Lots of ways.

Ratings- Texas Ou brings big ratings.
Us and Texas will bring huge ratings
Us and Ou will be big
LSU vs Texas will be big
LSU vs OU will be big

Etc etc etc.

Long term it owns the state of Texas for SEC.
It prevents Pac or Big10 from getting a competitive foothold in the Texas market.

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If that was the case we'd be able to sway ND to join the SEC tbh.

It's not an outright no because it cements the sec the problem is the laws that govern SEC membership for Ole Greg.

B1G won't expand if we don't

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Another bizarre statement I see is those two going to the ACC or B1G?

They are going to leave the Big 12 and start flying up north or out east for every away game? The fans can't even drive to any of those schools

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I didn't say they would - just commenting on the fact that it's the "reason why"

The entire rumor is because ESPN is pushing this behind the scenes to get rid of the LHN

That said OU/Texas need a new home, and are in a tv contract renegotiation with Fox at the moment.

The B1G won't make the first move on expansion just follow our lead, the wild card is the PAC to be honest

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Ratings don't automatically equal more dollars. There are long term contracts in place based on TV markets. This brings in one small TV market.

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Disagree. The PAC-12 covers a many large tv markets but gets next to nothing from it's tv contracts. The SEC brings in the most because it plays the best football, has the most compelling matchups, and draws the most eyes from all around the country. The SEC viewership isn't tied to a specific footprint

TexasRenegade said:

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That's a myth.

Our own AD has already said we have no veto power on adding a Texas school. Also, if Texas and Ou get added we hit 16 and there are no other spots for other schools to worry about their instate rival getting added.

Jason Whitely
BREAKING:

SOURCES: After notifying the @Big12Conference early next week, @TexasLonghorns and @UofOklahoma will petition the @SEC for membership.

Don't know who he is, but if he is correct, they aren't asking publicly without already knowing the answer.

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It's not a myth they're petition because ESPN is telling them they will get it done and Sankey is considering it.

But it's a vote, and expansion won't end at 16 teams.
UK won't want Lousville joining then
UF won't want FSU or Miami trying to join
SCar doesn't want Clemson joining

Arky doesn't want Texas in (and regret us joining to an extent)
Mizzou doesn't want Sips in

So much real estate daddy owns in your head, sip.

Not sure how so many think ou and tu bring more money. Just because you have two name brands, the dollars will flow. But they don't add many more tv sets. The SECN is already in the state of TX and oklahoma is smaller than the states of Virginia and NC which could be contenders when the Superconferences happen. Those tv sets bring more money. Ou and tu can boost ratings on individual broadcasts but is that enough to offset the fact that the SEC now has to feed two more mouths?
Do new streaming services change the current equation enough to let tu and ou in?

Nobody here really knows this analysis do they? Why are we assuming they bring more money or assuming they don't?

Gidnik said:

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RAB83 said:

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Gidnik said:

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bv86ag said:

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A&M..HELL NO.
Arkansas..no
Mizzou..no
LSU...no
Miss. St...no.
Ole Miss...no
Nick Saban...no
Auburn...no
Georgia...no
Florida...no
South Carolina...no
Vanderbilt...abstain
Kentucky...no
Sooooo....that pretty much takes care of it.
If you need an explanation as to why these schools would vote this way then you haven't studied the politics of SEC future expansion that have been discussed for years on this board.
You are also discounting the influence of Nick Saban and other SEC coaches who already enjoy a significant and heavy footprint in Texas recruiting. The whorns and blow u joining do not help improve the Texas recruiting scene for any SEC teams.
And the threat of retaliatory additions in the East that are particularly unsavory.

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it wouldnt have gotten this far along if there wasnt some sort of assurances given by Sankey to both OU and Texas. I was in the camp of "ill believe it when i see it", but now i am leaning more towards its going to happen. and i wouldnt doubt if it was unanimous. as Finebaum said, no way in hell the SEC lets Texas and Oklahoma go to the Big 10 or the ACC.

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Well, the BIG would never sully itself with Zero U academically.

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to your point


they would take texas in a new york minute.

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sips won't go without ZeroU and ZeroU is unacceptable.

Oklahoma and Texas joining the SEC would reset the league's television contracts. That would result in "an increase in revenue of at least 10 million a year for each of the league's member institutions," from revamped television contracts alone according to one source."

el_guapo said:

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Not sure how so many think ou and tu bring more money. Just because you have two name brands, the dollars will flow. But they don't add many more tv sets. The SECN is already in the state of TX and oklahoma is smaller than the states of Virginia and NC which could be contenders when the Superconferences happen. Those tv sets bring more money. Ou and tu can boost ratings on individual broadcasts but is that enough to offset the fact that the SEC now has to feed two more mouths?
Do new streaming services change the current equation enough to let tu and ou in?

Nobody here really knows this analysis do they? Why are we assuming they bring more money or assuming they don't?

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Because it isn't just tv sets, it is also ratings based. Texas and OU still pull high ratings and outdraw SEC games in Texas even against big12 teams.

Agvet12 said:

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TexasRenegade said:

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That's a myth.

Our own AD has already said we have no veto power on adding a Texas school. Also, if Texas and Ou get added we hit 16 and there are no other spots for other schools to worry about their instate rival getting added.

Jason Whitely
BREAKING:

SOURCES: After notifying the @Big12Conference early next week, @TexasLonghorns and @UofOklahoma will petition the @SEC for membership.

Don't know who he is, but if he is correct, they aren't asking publicly without already knowing the answer.

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It's not a myth they're petition because ESPN is telling them they will get it done and Sankey is considering it.

But it's a vote, and expansion won't end at 16 teams.
UK won't want Lousville joining then
UF won't want FSU or Miami trying to join
SCar doesn't want Clemson joining

Arky doesn't want Texas in (and regret us joining to an extent)
Mizzou doesn't want Sips in

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I think you're forgetting the very real possibility that we get backdoored by one our gentleman agreement partners by hitting 16 teams and them no longer having to worry about their other state schools joining.

By the way, Mizzou is 100% excited about this. This is great for them.

They are a fish out of water in the East. Under the proposal they will be moved to the West. So they will now get to play us, Arkansas. OU and UT every year. That is so much better for them. And for their recruiting.

RAB83 said:

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Give Finebaum an enema and you would bury him in a shoebox.

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Pretty certain he sits like a lamprey feeding on Saban's rectum whenever he can get near him.

There was a rumor from years ago when Pawl was a reporter at the Tennessee Daily Beacon that Coach Majors rearranged Pawl's face.

You don't know how much I want to believe that is true.

The hell I would wish for Finebaum would be a scenario where he's tied to a bed somewhere in Mulga while SyPhyllis gets her cattle prod ready for some sweet Bammer love to take place.

Ridge14 said:

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Agvet12 said:

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TexasRenegade said:

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That's a myth.

Our own AD has already said we have no veto power on adding a Texas school. Also, if Texas and Ou get added we hit 16 and there are no other spots for other schools to worry about their instate rival getting added.

Jason Whitely
BREAKING:

SOURCES: After notifying the @Big12Conference early next week, @TexasLonghorns and @UofOklahoma will petition the @SEC for membership.

Don't know who he is, but if he is correct, they aren't asking publicly without already knowing the answer.

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It's not a myth they're petition because ESPN is telling them they will get it done and Sankey is considering it.

But it's a vote, and expansion won't end at 16 teams.
UK won't want Lousville joining then
UF won't want FSU or Miami trying to join
SCar doesn't want Clemson joining

Arky doesn't want Texas in (and regret us joining to an extent)
Mizzou doesn't want Sips in

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I think you're forgetting the very real possibility that we get backdoored by one our gentleman agreement partners by hitting 16 teams and them no longer having to worry about their other state schools joining.

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8 years ago we never though 16 teams was a possibility
20 years ago 14 was unrealistic

This won't stop at 16 if it happens

Agvet12 said:

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Ridge14 said:

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Agvet12 said:

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TexasRenegade said:

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That's a myth.

Our own AD has already said we have no veto power on adding a Texas school. Also, if Texas and Ou get added we hit 16 and there are no other spots for other schools to worry about their instate rival getting added.

Jason Whitely
BREAKING:

SOURCES: After notifying the @Big12Conference early next week, @TexasLonghorns and @UofOklahoma will petition the @SEC for membership.

Don't know who he is, but if he is correct, they aren't asking publicly without already knowing the answer.

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It's not a myth they're petition because ESPN is telling them they will get it done and Sankey is considering it.

But it's a vote, and expansion won't end at 16 teams.
UK won't want Lousville joining then
UF won't want FSU or Miami trying to join
SCar doesn't want Clemson joining

Arky doesn't want Texas in (and regret us joining to an extent)
Mizzou doesn't want Sips in

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I think you're forgetting the very real possibility that we get backdoored by one our gentleman agreement partners by hitting 16 teams and them no longer having to worry about their other state schools joining.

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8 years ago we never though 16 teams was a possibility
20 years ago 14 was unrealistic

This won't drop at 16 if it happens

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I hope you're right

TexasRenegade said:

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Oklahoma and Texas joining the SEC would reset the league's television contracts. That would result in "an increase in revenue of at least 10 million a year for each of the league's member institutions," from revamped television contracts alone according to one source."

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That's a neat trick. $160 million. Is that what those 2 schools brought to B12? If so, their departure depletes $160mil from the remaining schools and states? Why would B12 states allow that?

AngryAG said:

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By the way, Mizzou is 100% excited about this. This is great for them.

They are a fish out of water in the East. Under the proposal they will be moved to the West. So they will now get to play us, Arkansas. OU and UT every year. That is so much better for them. And for their recruiting.

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Adding 2 east teams pushes them west and they hate sips and have already said no

My God.

It's like the whiniest of the whiny battered Aggies have been praying for this "rumor" so they could crawl out of the woodwork and bleed all over everything.

Remember when the sip media said it was a done deal that we were going to the PAC with them?

Remember when the sip media said it was a done deal that we had not been invited to join the SEC?

This is media circus trying to be relevant. That's all.

TexasRenegade said:

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el_guapo said:

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Not sure how so many think ou and tu bring more money. Just because you have two name brands, the dollars will flow. But they don't add many more tv sets. The SECN is already in the state of TX and oklahoma is smaller than the states of Virginia and NC which could be contenders when the Superconferences happen. Those tv sets bring more money. Ou and tu can boost ratings on individual broadcasts but is that enough to offset the fact that the SEC now has to feed two more mouths?
Do new streaming services change the current equation enough to let tu and ou in?

Nobody here really knows this analysis do they? Why are we assuming they bring more money or assuming they don't?

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Texags A&M is not bringing in all the TV sets in Texas. tu will bring further more Texas TV sets to the SEC than A&M is giving them right now. If that has any bearing on this. And it does.

Agvet12 said:

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AngryAG said:

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By the way, Mizzou is 100% excited about this. This is great for them.

They are a fish out of water in the East. Under the proposal they will be moved to the West. So they will now get to play us, Arkansas. OU and UT every year. That is so much better for them. And for their recruiting.

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Adding 2 east teams pushes them west and they hate sips and have already said no

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Where is the source that they already said no?

AvidAggie said:

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Agvet12 said:

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AngryAG said:

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By the way, Mizzou is 100% excited about this. This is great for them.

They are a fish out of water in the East. Under the proposal they will be moved to the West. So they will now get to play us, Arkansas. OU and UT every year. That is so much better for them. And for their recruiting.

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Adding 2 east teams pushes them west and they hate sips and have already said no

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Where is the source that they already said no?

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There will not be two 7-team divisions with 8 conference games. This will go to the 4-pod situation.

Agvet12 said:

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AngryAG said:

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By the way, Mizzou is 100% excited about this. This is great for them.

They are a fish out of water in the East. Under the proposal they will be moved to the West. So they will now get to play us, Arkansas. OU and UT every year. That is so much better for them. And for their recruiting.

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Adding 2 east teams pushes them west and they hate sips and have already said no

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Mizzou is a yes. 100%. They want to play games in Texas for recruiting.

SunrayAg said:

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My God.

It's like the whiniest of the whiny battered Aggies have been praying for this "rumor" so they could crawl out of the woodwork and bleed all over everything.

Remember when the sip media said it was a done deal that we were going to the PAC with them?

Remember when the sip media said it was a done deal that we had not been invited to join the SEC?

This is media circus trying to be relevant. That's all.

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I think it's a real possibility that tu and OU join the SEC.

I agree that this board has been super whiny today, but it's not for the reasons you stated. It's because we sound like a bunch of scared whiny b*tches.

I say bring it on if it happens. Not like I can control anything.

AngryAG said:

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Agvet12 said:

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AngryAG said:

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By the way, Mizzou is 100% excited about this. This is great for them.

They are a fish out of water in the East. Under the proposal they will be moved to the West. So they will now get to play us, Arkansas. OU and UT every year. That is so much better for them. And for their recruiting.

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Adding 2 east teams pushes them west and they hate sips and have already said no

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Mizzou is a yes. 100%. They want to play games in Texas for recruiting.

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Not happening
Arky is a No

The east is the wild card since they either vote in unison as a yes or they split the vote and single member states vote no and non single member states vote yes (those no states still mean no)

AvidAggie said:

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Agvet12 said:

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AngryAG said:

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By the way, Mizzou is 100% excited about this. This is great for them.

They are a fish out of water in the East. Under the proposal they will be moved to the West. So they will now get to play us, Arkansas. OU and UT every year. That is so much better for them. And for their recruiting.

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Adding 2 east teams pushes them west and they hate sips and have already said no

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Where is the source that they already said no?

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Google

It is being widely reported that A&M and Missouri are hard no's

News in Dallas reporting that OU and Texas are going to notify the Big 12 of their intention not to renew their TV deals with the conference that end in 2025. If OU and Texas aren't in the SEC before that contract expires I'll be surprised.

hph6203 said:

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News in Dallas reporting that OU and Texas are going to notify the Big 12 of their intention not to renew their TV deals with the conference that end in 2025. If OU and Texas aren't in the SEC before that contract expires I'll be surprised.

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This 100%

They wanted to renew now but Fox told them they want to wait and see, so Texas / OU said they might find a new a home if Fox doesn't want to pay

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el_guapo said:
Not sure how so many think ou and tu bring more money. Just because you have two name brands, the dollars will flow. But they don't add many more tv sets. The SECN is already in the state of TX and oklahoma is smaller than the states of Virginia and NC which could be contenders when the Superconferences happen. Those tv sets bring more money. Ou and tu can boost ratings on individual broadcasts but is that enough to offset the fact that the SEC now has to feed two more mouths?
Do new streaming services change the current equation enough to let tu and ou in?

Nobody here really knows this analysis do they? Why are we assuming they bring more money or assuming they don't?

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Because it isn't just tv sets, it is also ratings based. Texas and OU still pull high ratings and outdraw SEC games in Texas even against big12 teams.

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But does the math work out to large dollar increase for the ratings to offset the two extra mouths? I don't know and don't think anyone here does. We're just assuming that yes it does or no it doesn't with no facts or intelligent discussion of the numbers. That was my point

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el_guapo said:
Not sure how so many think ou and tu bring more money. Just because you have two name brands, the dollars will flow. But they don't add many more tv sets. The SECN is already in the state of TX and oklahoma is smaller than the states of Virginia and NC which could be contenders when the Superconferences happen. Those tv sets bring more money. Ou and tu can boost ratings on individual broadcasts but is that enough to offset the fact that the SEC now has to feed two more mouths?
Do new streaming services change the current equation enough to let tu and ou in?

Nobody here really knows this analysis do they? Why are we assuming they bring more money or assuming they don't?

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Because it isn't just tv sets, it is also ratings based. Texas and OU still pull high ratings and outdraw SEC games in Texas even against big12 teams.

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But does the math work out to large dollar increase for the ratings to offset the two extra mouths? I don't know and don't think anyone here does. We're just assuming that yes it does or no it doesn't with no facts or intelligent discussion of the numbers. That was my point

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I'm sure that the SEC has highly paid consultants and accountants to answer your question. These are two top tier national brands, my guess is they bring increases in revenue, not decreases. We'll know for sure the answer to that if things pick up steam