CrazyDayDuck said:

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CoachLB said:

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I would low ball him too. He sabotaged his career. I still think Johnny can and will play great if he stays focused and out of trouble. I have fewer doubts about his ability than I do his not messing up. I am a Johnny fan. But you just cannot screw your football career and former team and expect everybody just trust you with their team and throw money at you. Earn your trust and your money first.

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Exactly

These Millennials just can not understand the concepts that "Beggars can not be choosers" and "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".

Johnny doesn't need the money (assuming he hasn't blown it all on hookers and blow that is).

What he needs is a second chance. Hamilton with June Jones as the coach provides that.

If Johnny can stay out of trouble for two years in the CFL (big if) then some NFL teams may take a chance on him.

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I guess if you have the mentality of a beggar, you're a beggar. If they didn't want to pay him, they should have put a sock in June Jones' pie hole.

Again, I don't know where this idea comes from that he has to sign right now. Let them feel a little pressure (they absolutely don't want to end up with nothing out of all of this), and see if they'll move a little, or trade his rights to someone that wants him more. I think he still has a little time to let it play out, and I'm sure that he and his agent know exactly what the expiration date on the offer is. Why should he panic and take a low ball offer right now?

To show how contrite he is? While I hope he learned something from his experience, that would just be dumb...

CrazyDayDuck said:

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I think you're over-estimating Johnny's market value, as is Johnny's agent.

Most people see Johnny as a head case that was a bust in the NFL.

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June Jones is a spectacular liar then...

And, I think there are many, many people that see the highlight reel and are willing to roll the dice (particularly in a low stakes game in the CFL...)

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Hamilton is trying to get away with a cheap deal....JFF would instantly generate a few million in gear sales with his presence on the football field. I don't blame him for saying no to the bs deal.

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This ^^^ times eleventy billion... like it or not...

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So what?

Who can blame them?

It's not like they are offering money to a player that has proven to be dependable in the pros.

And if his issues pop up about 5 games into the season? Look I want Johnny to make it. But you have to admit he is a high risk player right now.

CrazyDayDuck said:

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zephyr88 said:

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Hamilton is trying to get away with a cheap deal....JFF would instantly generate a few million in gear sales with his presence on the football field. I don't blame him for saying no to the bs deal.

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This ^^^ times eleventy billion... like it or not...

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So what?

Who can blame them?

It's not like they are offering money to a player that has proven to be dependable in the pros.

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The question isn't whether or not they are blameworthy. The question is whether or not they value him more than their offer reflects.

And, his agent would be a failure if there is not some effort to make them answer that question...

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CoachLB said:

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I would low ball him too. He sabotaged his career. I still think Johnny can and will play great if he stays focused and out of trouble. I have fewer doubts about his ability than I do his not messing up. I am a Johnny fan. But you just cannot screw your football career and former team and expect everybody just trust you with their team and throw money at you. Earn your trust and your money first.

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Exactly

These Millennials just can not understand the concepts that "Beggars can not be choosers" and "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".

Johnny doesn't need the money (assuming he hasn't blown it all on hookers and blow that is).

What he needs is a second chance. Hamilton with June Jones as the coach provides that.

If Johnny can stay out of trouble for two years in the CFL (big if) then some NFL teams may take a chance on him.

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I guess if you have the mentality of a beggar, you're a beggar. If they didn't want to pay him, they should have put a sock in June Jones' pie hole.

Again, I don't know where this idea comes from that he has to sign right now. Let them feel a little pressure (they absolutely don't want to end up with nothing out of all of this), and see if they'll move a little, or trade his rights to someone that wants him more. I think he still has a little time to let it play out, and I'm sure that he and his agent know exactly what the expiration date on the offer is. Why should he panic and take a low ball offer right now?

To show how contrite he is? While I hope he learned something from his experience, that would just be dumb...

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It's not just the opportunity to show his talent genius, everybody knows Johnny has talent.

It's the opportunity to show his maturity, which pretty much nobody believes he has.

And it's not about panicking. Well, unless he blew his NFL money on hookers and blow that is. In which case, he may be panicking in hopes of getting a back up NFL gig.

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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I think you're over-estimating Johnny's market value, as is Johnny's agent.

Most people see Johnny as a head case that was a bust in the NFL.

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June Jones is a spectacular liar then...

And, I think there are many, many people that see the highlight reel and are willing to roll the dice (particularly in a low stakes game in the CFL...)

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Stop with the drama queen theatrics already.

The Tigercats are only offering 150k. If Johnny turns out to be a bust again, Hamilton doesn't lose much.

It's a win-win for Johnny and the Tigercats.

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CoachLB said:

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I would low ball him too. He sabotaged his career. I still think Johnny can and will play great if he stays focused and out of trouble. I have fewer doubts about his ability than I do his not messing up. I am a Johnny fan. But you just cannot screw your football career and former team and expect everybody just trust you with their team and throw money at you. Earn your trust and your money first.

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Exactly

These Millennials just can not understand the concepts that "Beggars can not be choosers" and "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".

Johnny doesn't need the money (assuming he hasn't blown it all on hookers and blow that is).

What he needs is a second chance. Hamilton with June Jones as the coach provides that.

If Johnny can stay out of trouble for two years in the CFL (big if) then some NFL teams may take a chance on him.

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I guess if you have the mentality of a beggar, you're a beggar. If they didn't want to pay him, they should have put a sock in June Jones' pie hole.

Again, I don't know where this idea comes from that he has to sign right now. Let them feel a little pressure (they absolutely don't want to end up with nothing out of all of this), and see if they'll move a little, or trade his rights to someone that wants him more. I think he still has a little time to let it play out, and I'm sure that he and his agent know exactly what the expiration date on the offer is. Why should he panic and take a low ball offer right now?

To show how contrite he is? While I hope he learned something from his experience, that would just be dumb...

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It's not just the opportunity to show his talent genius, everybody knows Johnny has talent.

It's the opportunity to show his maturity, which pretty much nobody believes he has.

And it's not about panicking. Well, unless he blew his NFL money on hookers and blow that is. In which case, he may be panicking in hopes of getting a back up NFL gig.

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I really hope you are nowhere near the price-negotiation function of whatever enterprise you are associated with...

June Jones is a coach. I know coaches. He sees a talent that can help him win. Jones, me or no other coach can say if Johnny can continue to overcome the issues that ruined his first shot in pro ball. It is not Jones money to risk. It is the owners. And yes I would like to see proof Johnny just really wants to play football. Then the big money. Besides I am not sure if fans in Canada are as Johnny football crazy as us Texans. Maybe they are. You guys are forgetting they play in mostly 30,000 seat stadiums.

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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zephyr88 said:

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Viper16 said:

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Hamilton is trying to get away with a cheap deal....JFF would instantly generate a few million in gear sales with his presence on the football field. I don't blame him for saying no to the bs deal.

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This ^^^ times eleventy billion... like it or not...

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So what?

Who can blame them?

It's not like they are offering money to a player that has proven to be dependable in the pros.

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The question isn't whether or not they are blameworthy. The question is whether or not they value him more than their offer reflects.

And, his agent would be a failure if there is not some effort to make them answer that question...

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Considering no other team (in the NFL or CFL) is offering Johnny ANYTHING, I think it's obvious that he does not hold much value in the arena of pro football.

Maybe that's what his agent is angling for. An arena football gig. Lol

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June Jones is a coach. I know coaches. He sees a talent that can help him win. Jones, me or no other coach can say if Johnny can continue to overcome the issues that ruined his first shot in pro ball. It is not Jones money to risk. It is the owners. And yes I would like to see proof Johnny just really wants to play football. Then the big money. Besides I am not sure if fans in Canada are as Johnny football crazy as us Texans. Maybe they are. You guys are forgetting they play in mostly 30,000 seat stadiums.

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I'm not forgetting any of that.

Because the league is a more modest enterprise, I think the potential upside he represents is even bigger, on a relative basis. If he flames out at a decent (by their standards) salary, that's a modest loss. But, if he goes Johnny Football, they'll suddenly be on every ESPN CFL telecast there is.

And, at this point, I can't say which it would be, but June Jones thinks he knows...

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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Threadbare said:

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CoachLB said:

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I would low ball him too. He sabotaged his career. I still think Johnny can and will play great if he stays focused and out of trouble. I have fewer doubts about his ability than I do his not messing up. I am a Johnny fan. But you just cannot screw your football career and former team and expect everybody just trust you with their team and throw money at you. Earn your trust and your money first.

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Exactly

These Millennials just can not understand the concepts that "Beggars can not be choosers" and "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".

Johnny doesn't need the money (assuming he hasn't blown it all on hookers and blow that is).

What he needs is a second chance. Hamilton with June Jones as the coach provides that.

If Johnny can stay out of trouble for two years in the CFL (big if) then some NFL teams may take a chance on him.

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I guess if you have the mentality of a beggar, you're a beggar. If they didn't want to pay him, they should have put a sock in June Jones' pie hole.

Again, I don't know where this idea comes from that he has to sign right now. Let them feel a little pressure (they absolutely don't want to end up with nothing out of all of this), and see if they'll move a little, or trade his rights to someone that wants him more. I think he still has a little time to let it play out, and I'm sure that he and his agent know exactly what the expiration date on the offer is. Why should he panic and take a low ball offer right now?

To show how contrite he is? While I hope he learned something from his experience, that would just be dumb...

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It's not just the opportunity to show his talent genius, everybody knows Johnny has talent.

It's the opportunity to show his maturity, which pretty much nobody believes he has.

And it's not about panicking. Well, unless he blew his NFL money on hookers and blow that is. In which case, he may be panicking in hopes of getting a back up NFL gig.

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I really hope you are nowhere near the price-negotiation function of whatever enterprise you are associated with...

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You know how I can tell when I am winning an argument? When the other person starts making personal attacks.

Get back with me you get your house paid off and have the tuition of your kids covered at the age of 52, okay kiddo?

CrazyDayDuck said:

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Threadbare said:

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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Threadbare said:

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CoachLB said:

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I would low ball him too. He sabotaged his career. I still think Johnny can and will play great if he stays focused and out of trouble. I have fewer doubts about his ability than I do his not messing up. I am a Johnny fan. But you just cannot screw your football career and former team and expect everybody just trust you with their team and throw money at you. Earn your trust and your money first.

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Exactly

These Millennials just can not understand the concepts that "Beggars can not be choosers" and "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".

Johnny doesn't need the money (assuming he hasn't blown it all on hookers and blow that is).

What he needs is a second chance. Hamilton with June Jones as the coach provides that.

If Johnny can stay out of trouble for two years in the CFL (big if) then some NFL teams may take a chance on him.

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I guess if you have the mentality of a beggar, you're a beggar. If they didn't want to pay him, they should have put a sock in June Jones' pie hole.

Again, I don't know where this idea comes from that he has to sign right now. Let them feel a little pressure (they absolutely don't want to end up with nothing out of all of this), and see if they'll move a little, or trade his rights to someone that wants him more. I think he still has a little time to let it play out, and I'm sure that he and his agent know exactly what the expiration date on the offer is. Why should he panic and take a low ball offer right now?

To show how contrite he is? While I hope he learned something from his experience, that would just be dumb...

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It's not just the opportunity to show his talent genius, everybody knows Johnny has talent.

It's the opportunity to show his maturity, which pretty much nobody believes he has.

And it's not about panicking. Well, unless he blew his NFL money on hookers and blow that is. In which case, he may be panicking in hopes of getting a back up NFL gig.

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I really hope you are nowhere near the price-negotiation function of whatever enterprise you are associated with...

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You know how I can tell when I am winning an argument? When the other person starts making personal attacks.

Get back with me you get your house paid off and have the tuition of your kids covered at the age of 52, okay kiddo?

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Yeah, when you sarcastically referred to me as 'genius', I knew I had you...

I don't care what you have paid for or by when; by your arguments on this board, I stand by my original assessment...

I love how his two arguments are, "They aren't paying Johnny anything" and "They are taking a risk with Johnny".

Talk about non-compatible arguments.

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150k would be fine if he could come and go as he pleases (ie getting an nfl offer). 150k/year for a 2 year commitment from a player with the name recognition of Manziel is a joke.

After Canadian and us taxes... it's just not enough.

There is a reason a lot of players like rg3, vy and so on don't go play up north.

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CFL team salaries are capped at $4.1 mil total per team. The mean CFL salary is $85K. Sounds more like his agent had no clue about CFL salaries and caps asking close to 80% more than average for a guy that hasn't played in 3-4 years.

JFF far more needs to show he can stay sober and be the face of a team than a CFL team needs to break the bank for JFF.

One thing some you may not know. Every stadium in the SEC is better than the CFL stadiums. Most are 30,000 or less seating. There are no NFL size contracts. The NFL rookies make more than most stars in the CFL. They do not have the football interest or money as most D1 conferences. Look the CFL makes vey few players rich. What it does is give guys like me who wasn't big enough or talented enough for the NFL to play football for a living. The interest is just not there. So Johnny fills a 30,000 seat stadium. Is that worth giving him a boat load of money? The CFL is not the NFL, in money or anyother way. They cannot risk big money on a guy who has had issues.

longeryak said:

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Memphis 7 said:

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150k would be fine if he could come and go as he pleases (ie getting an nfl offer). 150k/year for a 2 year commitment from a player with the name recognition of Manziel is a joke.

After Canadian and us taxes... it's just not enough.

There is a reason a lot of players like rg3, vy and so on don't go play up north.

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CFL team salaries are capped at $4.1 mil total per team. The mean CFL salary is $85K. Sounds more like his agent had no clue about CFL salaries and caps asking close to 80% more than average for a guy that hasn't played in 3-4 years.

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I would say that he's a guy who hasn't played in 2 years, and, as disappointing as his stint at Cleveland was, probably still played at a level that would have been sufficient to put him in the top half of CFL QBs...

I would say that is all good. Now show me you want to play, can still play, and have your issues under control. That seems fair to me.

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And if his issues pop up about 5 games into the season? Look I want Johnny to make it. But you have to admit he is a high risk player right now.

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I think he hould take the league minimum and prove his worth. However, there have been people getting rich at his expense since his Heisman days. There's gotta be some kind if kicker in his contract. No matter where he goes, he adds excitement - puts people in the seats. People in seats buy "stuff"... his contribution to the team's (company's) bottom line is significantly more than anyone else on the team. If he's successful, or if his namesake generates addition profits for the organization, he should be compensated.

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CoachLB said:

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I would low ball him too. He sabotaged his career. I still think Johnny can and will play great if he stays focused and out of trouble. I have fewer doubts about his ability than I do his not messing up. I am a Johnny fan. But you just cannot screw your football career and former team and expect everybody just trust you with their team and throw money at you. Earn your trust and your money first.

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Exactly

These Millennials just can not understand the concepts that "Beggars can not be choosers" and "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".

Johnny doesn't need the money (assuming he hasn't blown it all on hookers and blow that is).

What he needs is a second chance. Hamilton with June Jones as the coach provides that.

If Johnny can stay out of trouble for two years in the CFL (big if) then some NFL teams may take a chance on him.

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I guess if you have the mentality of a beggar, you're a beggar. If they didn't want to pay him, they should have put a sock in June Jones' pie hole.

Again, I don't know where this idea comes from that he has to sign right now. Let them feel a little pressure (they absolutely don't want to end up with nothing out of all of this), and see if they'll move a little, or trade his rights to someone that wants him more. I think he still has a little time to let it play out, and I'm sure that he and his agent know exactly what the expiration date on the offer is. Why should he panic and take a low ball offer right now?

To show how contrite he is? While I hope he learned something from his experience, that would just be dumb...

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It's not just the opportunity to show his talent genius, everybody knows Johnny has talent.

It's the opportunity to show his maturity, which pretty much nobody believes he has.

And it's not about panicking. Well, unless he blew his NFL money on hookers and blow that is. In which case, he may be panicking in hopes of getting a back up NFL gig.

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I really hope you are nowhere near the price-negotiation function of whatever enterprise you are associated with...

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You know how I can tell when I am winning an argument? When the other person starts making personal attacks.

Get back with me you get your house paid off and have the tuition of your kids covered at the age of 52, okay kiddo?

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Yeah, when you sarcastically referred to me as 'genius', I knew I had you...

I don't care what you have paid for or by when; by your arguments on this board, I stand by my original assessment...

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Which is wrong.

But hey, some day when you grow up you will realize that you have to have long-term plans and not think what may be best for the short term.

Let's say Johnny gets a back-up gig in the NFL at 500k. That's peanuts compared to a starting gig that he could get if he starts in the CFL and excels (like Flutie).

And no, he is never going to get an opportunity to start in the NFL by being a back-up there.

CoachLB said:

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One thing some you may not know. Every stadium in the SEC is better than the CFL stadiums. Most are 30,000 or less seating. There are no NFL size contracts. The NFL rookies make more than most stars in the CFL. They do not have the football interest or money as most D1 conferences. Look the CFL makes vey few players rich. What it does is give guys like me who wasn't big enough or talented enough for the NFL to play football for a living. The interest is just not there. So Johnny fills a 30,000 seat stadium. Is that worth giving him a boat load of money? The CFL is not the NFL, in money or anyother way. They cannot risk big money on a guy who has had issues.

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They can risk whatever they think is reasonable. Johnny's agent's job is to be sure he gets close to that number.

All of the things that you have pointed out certainly have an impact on what that answer turns out to be, but, again, there's nothing wrong with making them squirm a little to decide what it is.

np

I have no problem with that. But my post earlier I said most stadiums up there hold 30,000 or less. There is not big money to throw around up there.

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longeryak said:

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Memphis 7 said:

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150k would be fine if he could come and go as he pleases (ie getting an nfl offer). 150k/year for a 2 year commitment from a player with the name recognition of Manziel is a joke.

After Canadian and us taxes... it's just not enough.

There is a reason a lot of players like rg3, vy and so on don't go play up north.

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CFL team salaries are capped at $4.1 mil total per team. The mean CFL salary is $85K. Sounds more like his agent had no clue about CFL salaries and caps asking close to 80% more than average for a guy that hasn't played in 3-4 years.

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I would say that he's a guy who hasn't played in 2 years, and, as disappointing as his stint at Cleveland was, probably still played at a level that would have been sufficient to put him in the top half of CFL QBs...

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You keep missing the point.

It's not Johnny's talent that is in question. It's his maturity that is in question.

CrazyDayDuck said:

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Threadbare said:

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CoachLB said:

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I would low ball him too. He sabotaged his career. I still think Johnny can and will play great if he stays focused and out of trouble. I have fewer doubts about his ability than I do his not messing up. I am a Johnny fan. But you just cannot screw your football career and former team and expect everybody just trust you with their team and throw money at you. Earn your trust and your money first.

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Exactly

These Millennials just can not understand the concepts that "Beggars can not be choosers" and "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".

Johnny doesn't need the money (assuming he hasn't blown it all on hookers and blow that is).

What he needs is a second chance. Hamilton with June Jones as the coach provides that.

If Johnny can stay out of trouble for two years in the CFL (big if) then some NFL teams may take a chance on him.

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I guess if you have the mentality of a beggar, you're a beggar. If they didn't want to pay him, they should have put a sock in June Jones' pie hole.

Again, I don't know where this idea comes from that he has to sign right now. Let them feel a little pressure (they absolutely don't want to end up with nothing out of all of this), and see if they'll move a little, or trade his rights to someone that wants him more. I think he still has a little time to let it play out, and I'm sure that he and his agent know exactly what the expiration date on the offer is. Why should he panic and take a low ball offer right now?

To show how contrite he is? While I hope he learned something from his experience, that would just be dumb...

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It's not just the opportunity to show his talent genius, everybody knows Johnny has talent.

It's the opportunity to show his maturity, which pretty much nobody believes he has.

And it's not about panicking. Well, unless he blew his NFL money on hookers and blow that is. In which case, he may be panicking in hopes of getting a back up NFL gig.

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I really hope you are nowhere near the price-negotiation function of whatever enterprise you are associated with...

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You know how I can tell when I am winning an argument? When the other person starts making personal attacks.

Get back with me you get your house paid off and have the tuition of your kids covered at the age of 52, okay kiddo?

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Yeah, when you sarcastically referred to me as 'genius', I knew I had you...

I don't care what you have paid for or by when; by your arguments on this board, I stand by my original assessment...

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Which is wrong.

But hey, some day when you grow up you will realize that you have to have long-term plans and not think what may be best for the short term.

Let's say Johnny gets a back-up gig in the NFL at 500k. That's peanuts compared to a starting gig that he could get if he starts in the CFL and excels (like Flutie).

And no, he is never going to get an opportunity to start in the NFL by being a back-up there.

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I'm sorry that I have failed to make you understand a fairly self-evident, widely accepted premise. Johnny and his agent should get paid as much as Hamilton really believes he is worth. The way that happens, is by negotiation. Maybe you can find a Wikipedia article or something with pictures that will help...

longeryak said:

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Memphis 7 said:

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150k would be fine if he could come and go as he pleases (ie getting an nfl offer). 150k/year for a 2 year commitment from a player with the name recognition of Manziel is a joke.

After Canadian and us taxes... it's just not enough.

There is a reason a lot of players like rg3, vy and so on don't go play up north.

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CFL team salaries are capped at $4.1 mil total per team. The mean CFL salary is $85K. Sounds more like his agent had no clue about CFL salaries and caps asking close to 80% more than average for a guy that hasn't played in 3-4 years.

JFF far more needs to show he can stay sober and be the face of a team than a CFL team needs to break the bank for JFF.

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His agent is just looking for a higher commission in the short-term.

I see your point. And it is the agents job. But the fact is they run a tight ship up there because they have too. The league has almost folded a few times. They have to be sure Johnny will play well and stay right. And that is all I mean. I see their reasoning.

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CrazyDayDuck said:

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CoachLB said:

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I would low ball him too. He sabotaged his career. I still think Johnny can and will play great if he stays focused and out of trouble. I have fewer doubts about his ability than I do his not messing up. I am a Johnny fan. But you just cannot screw your football career and former team and expect everybody just trust you with their team and throw money at you. Earn your trust and your money first.

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Exactly

These Millennials just can not understand the concepts that "Beggars can not be choosers" and "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".

Johnny doesn't need the money (assuming he hasn't blown it all on hookers and blow that is).

What he needs is a second chance. Hamilton with June Jones as the coach provides that.

If Johnny can stay out of trouble for two years in the CFL (big if) then some NFL teams may take a chance on him.

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I guess if you have the mentality of a beggar, you're a beggar. If they didn't want to pay him, they should have put a sock in June Jones' pie hole.

Again, I don't know where this idea comes from that he has to sign right now. Let them feel a little pressure (they absolutely don't want to end up with nothing out of all of this), and see if they'll move a little, or trade his rights to someone that wants him more. I think he still has a little time to let it play out, and I'm sure that he and his agent know exactly what the expiration date on the offer is. Why should he panic and take a low ball offer right now?

To show how contrite he is? While I hope he learned something from his experience, that would just be dumb...

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It's not just the opportunity to show his talent genius, everybody knows Johnny has talent.

It's the opportunity to show his maturity, which pretty much nobody believes he has.

And it's not about panicking. Well, unless he blew his NFL money on hookers and blow that is. In which case, he may be panicking in hopes of getting a back up NFL gig.

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I really hope you are nowhere near the price-negotiation function of whatever enterprise you are associated with...

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You know how I can tell when I am winning an argument? When the other person starts making personal attacks.

Get back with me you get your house paid off and have the tuition of your kids covered at the age of 52, okay kiddo?

---

Yeah, when you sarcastically referred to me as 'genius', I knew I had you...

I don't care what you have paid for or by when; by your arguments on this board, I stand by my original assessment...

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Which is wrong.

But hey, some day when you grow up you will realize that you have to have long-term plans and not think what may be best for the short term.

Let's say Johnny gets a back-up gig in the NFL at 500k. That's peanuts compared to a starting gig that he could get if he starts in the CFL and excels (like Flutie).

And no, he is never going to get an opportunity to start in the NFL by being a back-up there.

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I'm sorry that I have failed to make you understand a fairly self-evident, widely accepted premise. Johnny and his agent should get paid as much as Hamilton really believes he is worth. The way that happens, is by negotiation. Maybe you can find a Wikipedia article or something with pictures that will help...

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Okay kiddo.

Hamilton made their offer. They think Johnny is worth 150k.

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I see your point. And it is the agents job. But the fact is they run a tight ship up there because they have too. The league has almost folded a few times. They have to be sure Johnny will play well and stay right. And that is all I mean. I see there reasoning.

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You absolutely make a good point, and they may end up being less sold on him than Jones comments suggest. I don't know what their margins are.

But, I do believe he has a huge potential upside in that league, and that they know it, too. He should absolutely be patient, be respectful, and follow his agents lead for a while. If they win the chicken game, so be it. I think he's going to be on the roster either way.

It doesn't apply in today's age of car shopping so much, but I used to make 'em let me walk off the lot at least once before I bought anything.

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You know how I can tell when I am winning an argument? When the other person starts making personal attacks.

Get back with me you get your house paid off and have the tuition of your kids covered at the age of 52, okay kiddo?

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So....you reply with an insult. Are you sure you are winning?

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I see your point. And it is the agents job. But the fact is they run a tight ship up there because they have too. The league has almost folded a few times. They have to be sure Johnny will play well and stay right. And that is all I mean. I see their reasoning.

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I didn't see it mentioned in any previous post, but, is there the possibility that T-Cats have challenged him to prove he is worth more by outplaying the competition in the Spring League?

The SL won't interfere with CFL camps, so it makes sense to me. Doesn't mean Hamilton HAS to pay him more, just letting him show what he has...

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150k would be fine if he could come and go as he pleases (ie getting an nfl offer). 150k/year for a 2 year commitment from a player with the name recognition of Manziel is a joke.

After Canadian and us taxes... it's just not enough.

There is a reason a lot of players like rg3, vy and so on don't go play up north.

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CFL team salaries are capped at $4.1 mil total per team. The mean CFL salary is $85K. Sounds more like his agent had no clue about CFL salaries and caps asking close to 80% more than average for a guy that hasn't played in 3-4 years.

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I would say that he's a guy who hasn't played in 2 years, and, as disappointing as his stint at Cleveland was, probably still played at a level that would have been sufficient to put him in the top half of CFL QBs...

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You keep missing the point.

It's not Johnny's talent that is in question. It's his maturity that is in question.

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(I hope there are no hard feelings - I love a good chat board argument and you are giving as good as you are getting...)

I'm not denying that there is some risk, or that the assessment shouldn't consider his previous issues. There's always risk in any deal (they left my fries out at Whataburger the other day). But, you continually assert that his talent is not in question. Then, that should factor in, too.

I really have no dog in this fight. I don't really care what they pay him. But, for the life of me, I really don't understand why anyone would suggest he settle for their initial offer, an offer that falls significantly short of his asking price, with 2 months before training camp, particularly if the offer he has is good for a while.

Could be. But they would also risk him signing with an NFL team if he plays really well.

Why would anyone question a grown ass man without a mortgage?

LiverEatinJohnson said:

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Why would anyone question a grown ass man without a mortgage?

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