Wow, virtually every word of that is false.

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Threadbare said:

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Wow. Did anybody look at the survey results? I say play the game, but those results almost have to be doctored...

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Texags has a disproportionate amount of bad Aggies who want to eschew traditions and rivalries in favor of #branding. Don't be shocked when it doesn't line up with most Aggie football fans.

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Bad Aggies? So I'd wager that a "bad Aggie" on TexAgs is considerably more informed and passionate than the average fan.
Count me as a bad Aggie all day! And F tu.

I wonder if there is any way it could end up in Rivals week when they bring it back. Playing them in September or October just wouldn't be the same.

cecil77 said:

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Wow, virtually every word of that is false.

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no, actually it wasn't.

outside of texas, nobody gave much of a **** about the game. anymore than I suspect you give much of a **** about intrastate rivalry games between major schools unless there are legit national title implications.

it meant a lot to us. it meant less, but more than they admit, to them. it means very little now.

let it go and get on with life. you've got a slate of games every year that 99% of college football fans would kill for but can't let go of your nostalgia to play an opponent who belittled you incessantly and did everything they could to stack the deck against the school you claim to love.

you are off the plantation. enjoy your freedom.

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Battle Cattle sees an obvious penalty on that play.

California Ag 90 said:

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cecil77 said:

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Wow, virtually every word of that is false.

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no, actually it wasn't.

outside of texas, nobody gave much of a **** about the game. anymore than I suspect you give much of a **** about intrastate rivalry games between major schools unless there are legit national title implications.

it meant a lot to us. it meant less, but more than they admit, to them. it means very little now.

let it go and get on with life. you've got a slate of games every year that 99% of college football fans would kill for but can't let go of your nostalgia to play an opponent who belittled you incessantly and did everything they could to stack the deck against the school you claim to love.

you are off the plantation. enjoy your freedom.

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LOL. That's a bunch of conclusions about someone you don't know, have never talked to and have no clue at all about!

cecil77 said:

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California Ag 90 said:

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cecil77 said:

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Wow, virtually every word of that is false.

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no, actually it wasn't.

outside of texas, nobody gave much of a **** about the game. anymore than I suspect you give much of a **** about intrastate rivalry games between major schools unless there are legit national title implications.

it meant a lot to us. it meant less, but more than they admit, to them. it means very little now.

let it go and get on with life. you've got a slate of games every year that 99% of college football fans would kill for but can't let go of your nostalgia to play an opponent who belittled you incessantly and did everything they could to stack the deck against the school you claim to love.

you are off the plantation. enjoy your freedom.

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LOL. That's a bunch of conclusions about someone you don't know, have never talked to and have no clue at all about!

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It's amazing how much emotional baggage the "anti-" faction of this argument manage to pack into their criticism of the "pro-" crowd. I thought this a was big and interesting game before I ever attended A&M, and think it's good for both schools. Nothing more than that...

California Ag 90 said:

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cecil77 said:

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Wow, virtually every word of that is false.

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no, actually it wasn't.

outside of texas, nobody gave much of a **** about the game. anymore than I suspect you give much of a **** about intrastate rivalry games between major schools unless there are legit national title implications.

it meant a lot to us. it meant less, but more than they admit, to them. it means very little now.

let it go and get on with life. you've got a slate of games every year that 99% of college football fans would kill for but can't let go of your nostalgia to play an opponent who belittled you incessantly and did everything they could to stack the deck against the school you claim to love.

you are off the plantation. enjoy your freedom.

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You must not know many college football fans outside of Texas.

queso1 said:

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I fully support playing them again. Home and home on Tday + 1. I'm not going to subscribe to the group think on this site. It was one on the greatest rivalries in football. It was on par with Mich ND, USC ND, UGA FLA, aub ala. you guys are happy to have LSU or arky as our rivalry game. These are not rivalries.

Why do you want to throw away decades of history? Just stop.

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Never ever play them in a regular season game.

LSU would be OU Texas of the 2000s (which will never be that great ever again) on steroids if we'd ever beat them once in awhile. Bama A&M with all the coaching history and ties would be a good one too. Too many that will eventually be bigger and this will no longer come up as much

Never ever play them in a regular season game.

OU is Texas new buddy now that they both need each other. We know who both would root for if **** played OU or Texas. See the 2012 Cotton

A&M Arkansas
A&M LSU
A&M Bama

Eventually Arkansas will beat A&M and A&M will beat LSU but those all have great potential

Eff it. We'll see them in a bowl sometime, or will do a 2-year series every now and then. Fine.

But an annual game that they can pull out of like LSU did us back in '95? Eff that.

And Eff a renewal of an annual game.

We offered, they didn't want it, and they used the game to try to coerce - or "induce" - us into going to the PAC with them, then to keep us from joining the SEC.

Eff that and eff this, and any and all other, renewal attempts.

It's interesting that most of the angry/emotional/F' EM! replies are from people who don't want the game and accuse those of us who do of being too emotional about it.

People who don't really care about something can't compose lengthy, angry and oh so logical diatribes about why they don't care!

cecil77 said:

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It's interesting that most of the angry/emotional/F' EM! replies are from people who don't want the game and accuse those of us who do of being too emotional about it.

People who don't really care about something can't compose lengthy, angry and oh so logical diatribes about why they don't care!

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Seems like they are passionate about not playing them for logical reasons while the other group is passionate about playing them for emotional reasons. Playing them again for anything other than an occasional 2 game series in September is not what's best for A&M's program on any level. Wanting to shuffle around LSU to bring back Texas every thanksgiving is absolutely detrimental to the program and I don't understand people that don't want what's best for the program and its continuation to becoming a national brand and top teir power program.

Geriatric Punk said:

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California Ag 90 said:

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cecil77 said:

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Wow, virtually every word of that is false.

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no, actually it wasn't.

outside of texas, nobody gave much of a **** about the game. anymore than I suspect you give much of a **** about intrastate rivalry games between major schools unless there are legit national title implications.

it meant a lot to us. it meant less, but more than they admit, to them. it means very little now.

let it go and get on with life. you've got a slate of games every year that 99% of college football fans would kill for but can't let go of your nostalgia to play an opponent who belittled you incessantly and did everything they could to stack the deck against the school you claim to love.

you are off the plantation. enjoy your freedom.

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You must not know many college football fans outside of Texas.

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uhhh...well actually i do.

but rather than try to argue over something as dumb as that, just go on ratings. historically for sip v A&M they were lame. just like most BDF games are lame now.

sip game was not a national event. ever. any more than any other intrastate rivalry game is/was a big deal on the national level. sorry to deflate your sense of the game's relevance but just the facts.

cecil77 said:

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Wow, virtually every word of that is false.

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Show me exactly what is false. I will wait with baited breath.

cecil77 said:

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It's interesting that most of the angry/emotional/F' EM! replies are from people who don't want the game and accuse those of us who do of being too emotional about it.

People who don't really care about something can't compose lengthy, angry and oh so logical diatribes about why they don't care!

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I care a great deal about TAMU and feel very strongly about letting our current respective positions play out for a while. I think it will be to our long term benefit.

And F'em too.

schmellba99 said:

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We will never be competitive in the series with tu...

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so much misinformation in your prior
posts i wont even bother refuting.... but as we all know, this series is more than "competitive" since the playing field was leveled for all schools in the early 70s (black athletes and scholly limits).

Ags are up 19-18 since 1975. i dont give a rats ass that tu won 30 of 32 contests or so when ags were largely a small military college while 'sips had 200+ schilarship players on roster.

you dont want the series- fine. but dont try to give people the false narrative. thats just bull*****

and saying we shouldnt play because their historical record is so hard to catch- thats just insanely stupid!

cecil77 said:

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It's interesting that most of the angry/emotional/F' EM! replies are from people who don't want the game and accuse those of us who do of being too emotional about it.

People who don't really care about something can't compose lengthy, angry and oh so logical diatribes about why they don't care!

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in the context of the relationship with them, actually its completely understandable.

when you get screwed by a business partner over and over, only an idiot smiles like a fool while people lobby to re-engage the guys who screwed you, over nothing more than warped nostalgia.

i freely admit I care - I care passionately that we not go back to a partner who has screwed everyone they've ever worked with, none moreso than us.

what is more interesting is that there are some Ags who, seemingly aware of this history, want to run back to an abusive bat**** crazy relationship. that's where the psychology is warped, IMO.

Geriatric Punk said:

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California Ag 90 said:

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cecil77 said:

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Wow, virtually every word of that is false.

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no, actually it wasn't.

outside of texas, nobody gave much of a **** about the game. anymore than I suspect you give much of a **** about intrastate rivalry games between major schools unless there are legit national title implications.

it meant a lot to us. it meant less, but more than they admit, to them. it means very little now.

let it go and get on with life. you've got a slate of games every year that 99% of college football fans would kill for but can't let go of your nostalgia to play an opponent who belittled you incessantly and did everything they could to stack the deck against the school you claim to love.

you are off the plantation. enjoy your freedom.

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You must not know many college football fans outside of Texas.

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I do, and the fact of the matter is that as unfortunate as history is, our game with t.u. was rarely more than just a somewhat interesting rivalry game. And most people outside the area of influence (state of Texas, maybe some folks in Oklahoma and Arkansas) just didnt care much about the game.

How many times in the history of the series were both teams ranked? Very few. Even less times with both teams in the top 10, even fewer where the game defined the national picture.

It was just a rare occasion when both teams were good - generally speaking it was a game with a goof t.u. team against a bad A&M team or a good A&M team against a bad t.u. team.

Everybody here wishes our rivalry was different and that we werent 40+ games behind in the overall series. We want it to be so bad that we cherry pick time frames to,compare that are much more even in rules and wins/losses and,marginalize the rest as much as we can.

And history also shows that tu will throw their weight around as much as possible to get as much of an advantave as they can. We spent 100 years as the little brother to them, it got us only so,far. This next 100 years needs to be all about Texas A&M and none about tu. Lets try that for a while before we spend another second worrying about what the 40 Acres wants or needs.

Their psychology is pretty simple, they want to talk smack to their coworkers and families. The only thing warped is the "d*mned the torpedoes" mindset of it. They're wearing full blinders.

Is there anyone advocating for this series to return who thinks it is more important than our SEC membership? I would sincerely doubt that.

If you accept that our conference relationship is more important, let me make a suggestion: we should at least complete our rotation through the SEC before even talking about resuming this series. Focusing on resuming this rivalry when we haven't even played two of our fellow conference members suggests that you might have your priorities a little out of order.

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schmellba99 said:

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We will never be competitive in the series with tu...

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so much misinformation in your prior
posts i wont even bother refuting.... but as we all know, this series is more than "competitive" since the playing field was leveled for all schools in the early 70s (black athletes and scholly limits).

Ags are up 19-18 since 1975. i dont give a rats ass that tu won 30 of 32 contests or so when ags were largely a small military college while 'sips had 200+ schilarship players on roster.

you dont want the series- fine. but dont try to give people the false narrative. thats just bull*****

and saying we shouldnt play because their historical record is so hard to catch- thats just insanely stupid!

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Exactly what was false about what I said? That I didn't cherry pick a certain time frame to thump my chest about?

Fact: We will never in our lifetime or the lifetime of our children's children become competitive in the overall series with them, if you go by your "since 1975" metric. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy as hell that we gave them a run for their money when the rules became what they are for scholarships, etc. - but that simply doesn't negate the fact that they are 39 games ahead of us in the series. If you can argue that, by all means - please do.

There is no false narrative being given - only a narrative of factual history you simply don't want to acknowledge. Hey, I'd kill for it to be the other way around in overall wins too. But it's not, there won't be any wholesale changes when we pick up a win every 40 or so years against them on the record.

You completely missed the point of my post too - I'm not saying that we shouldn't play them because of the historical record, i'm saying we shouldn't play them because we need to worry about Texas A&M football and our new conference and quit dwelling on the past. We aren't in the same conference as tu, we don't play them on a regular basis, and just because we did for 100 some odd years doesn't mean we need to keep doing it either. We have long histories with Arkansas and LSU (and we are barely behind them in record too, which seems to be what historical rivalries boil down to), we have historical ties with Alabama and Miss. State - we need to concentrate on making new history instead of reminiscing about old history that was never really in our favor.

F playing that game ever again

And F the sips & their biased personal media

I honestly miss the game, but it will come back just as soon the media decides t.u. can dominate again. After a 10 year gap where we would have been chipping away at the overall record, they will come back and beat us down and claim ultimate superiority.

ColoAg95 said:

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I honestly miss the game, but it will come back just as soon the media decides t.u. can dominate again. After a 10 year gap where we would have been chipping away at the overall record, they will come back and beat us down and claim ultimate superiority.

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Here we have it, folks.....BAS Champion of TexAgs.

Congrats!

I would forgive anyone's take on your post.

Technically you are of course correct from a statistical standpoint. But given the hostory and the reasons why that overall record is the way it is i highly doubt that it bothers anyone here in the present day. Nor should it. If you're a football player in 1960 with no connection to either school is it any wonder which one you'd select?

Girls vs corps life. Duh!!!

The ignorance of those that try to beat us over the head with that, as if it shows some kind of superiority based on a level playing field, is the only reason it rises to the level of annoyance at best.

It's hardly cherry picking of data.

ColoAg95 said:

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I honestly miss the game, but it will come back just as soon the media decides t.u. can dominate again. After a 10 year gap where we would have been chipping away at the overall record, they will come back and beat us down and claim ultimate superiority.

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there is the true beaten down, hopelessly downtrodden plantation Ag, and then there is you.

a new category altogether.

reminds me of Brooks in Shawshank Redemption. an institutional man, just couldn't cope once he got out of prison. needed the security of having an overseer.

there is no way in hell TAMU will ever be inferior to the sips again - ever.

I think it's telling that almost all the questions are from Austin or reporters who cover cow, the linked survey is from a cow student or cow affiliated site or person I believe. The point being, while I am against it, and 99% of Aggies I know are against it, it seems that just about all the talk and hullabaloo about it does not come from the A&M side. Why even dignify it, just say no and move one, like they chose to in 2011.

hunter2012 said:

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Their psychology is pretty simple, they want to talk smack to their coworkers and families. The only thing warped is the "d*mned the torpedoes" mindset of it. They're wearing full blinders.

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I typically hate smack talkers, and try not to be one. I just liked having the game, and hope to see it again soon...