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I fully support playing them again. Home and home on Tday + 1. I'm not going to subscribe to the group think on this site. It was one on the greatest rivalries in football. It was on par with Mich ND, USC ND, UGA FLA, aub ala. you guys are happy to have LSU or arky as our rivalry game. These are not rivalries.

Why do you want to throw away decades of history? Just stop.

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Why do you want to continue playing an opponent who can't compete on an even field so they stack the deck in their favor, on and off the field?
Just stop.

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Because that's what you do. Every rivalry deals with this stuff. Ours is not unique in this regard. Your cowardice is appalling.

Sure, renew the series when the sip athletic department can prove that they cane be trusted to be honest brokers in the deal.

I wouldn't trust them to boil water at this point.

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They cheat constantly, refs are on the take and will do whatever it takes to get Texas a win. It's disgusting and I don't want my program to be ripped off by a bunch of punks and their cronies in the media covering for them.

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This. BDF officials should never be allowed within 100 miles of College Station.

If we won, DMN would only print the line score on page 106 in the classified section.

If sip won, DMN would publish a special edition and the story would be on the front page for a year.


No thanks, been there, seen that.

Bad idea. Never again. I don't believe this survey.

Spyderman said:

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Why does little brother get 2/3 of the PUF? Will consider renewing the contest if the PUF is split 50/50..

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We have past that exit ramp. If the legislature brought up the PUF, you would have Tech and Cougar High reps clamoring for their piece of it. (not to mention the Sam Houston, Angelo State and other state supported schools sniffing around).

Both us and sippy know we would both loose money if redistribution was to take place.

PUF was determined years ago when we were a tiny, all male military school.

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Spyderman said:

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Why does little brother get 2/3 of the PUF? Will consider renewing the contest if the PUF is split 50/50..

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We have past that exit ramp. If the legislature brought up the PUF, you would have Tech and Cougar High reps clamoring for their piece of it. (not to mention the Sam Houston, Angelo State and other state supported schools sniffing around).

Both us and sippy know we would both loose money if redistribution was to take place.

PUF was determined years ago when we were a tiny, all male military school.

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The other thing people overlook with PUF is that it covers far more schools in the UT system than in the A&M system. We don't want to tamper with this.

This is the apologist's problems they think the relationship between schools is just like every rivalry out there, but it's absolutely not. Most here can list many examples that they uniquely do to backstab or underhand their way to success. Their administration's mentality makes for terrible business partners and dealing with them on a long term basis will only work against us.

Like Jimbo said, if it benefits us then we should play them, it does not benefit us so we should not play them.

I don't care to renew a rivalry that was more ours than theirs. We built a whole damn tradition around playing them. The record was 76-37-5 in their favor. We hyped it because it was a great win for us over a national powerhouse program every 3rd year (on average). We have both made our decisions...they have to own theirs...and we need to start owning ours. The only way to create a new rivalry is for us to go on a tear and start beating the SEC bigs regularly. Also...marketing is in play here. A&M could amp up the student body to develop new traditions. I'd like to see the LSU game be our big one. Auburn Alabama is a solid rivalry. LSU doesn't really have a storied one like that. The two school leaders should be smart enough to come together to create a rivalry. Rivalries generate $. That is what this is all about anymore anyway.

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We have one goal, and one goal only for football, and that's winning a national championship.

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Nope, Wrong. Very, very wrong.

If that is our only goal, then we shouldn't even be spending the money on football as it is fruitless. Even one per decade and it's not worth the money, effort and focus for an educational institution.

Today, big time collegiate football has one (and only one) goal - that is to maximize profit. One can argue that titles help towards that goal, but the titles (and even winning) are ancillary to the money. That's not really arguable on any real terms. Sure, there's lots of "I want to prove how big my dick is on the backs of 18-22 year old young men who are athletically givted) - but really it's for the money.

What intercollegiate athletics are supposed to be about is a pleasant diversion for students from the rigors of study, a communal bonding activity for former students, and a way to build community in the intercollegiate space. And yes, I'm well aware that on the D1/FBS level it's not been that way in my memory. However, other than these reasons there's no real point on colleges even competing in sports - other than money - which brings me right back to the point.

I will say that if your only goal is to get to cheer on a NC and then wear the t-shirt - you're missing out on a ton of good stuff. One of those good things is a game against people you actually know/marry/go to church with/work with/etc. The collegiate football you describe is just NFL-lite that saves a ton of money on player salaries.

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The record was 76-37-5 in their favor.

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That record is skewed by the 1946-73 time frame when they were a large national university and we were a small regional one. The record over the years that we were both small, regional and both large, national is dead even.

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We have one goal, and one goal only for football, and that's winning a national championship.

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Nope, Wrong. Very, very wrong.

If that is our only goal, then we shouldn't even be spending the money on football as it is fruitless. Even one per decade and it's not worth the money, effort and focus for an educational institution.

Today, big time collegiate football has one (and only one) goal - that is to maximize profit. One can argue that titles help towards that goal, but the titles (and even winning) are ancillary to the money. That's not really arguable on any real terms. Sure, there's lots of "I want to prove how big my dick is on the backs of 18-22 year old young men who are athletically givted) - but really it's for the money.

What intercollegiate athletics are supposed to be about is a pleasant diversion for students from the rigors of study, a communal bonding activity for former students, and a way to build community in the intercollegiate space. And yes, I'm well aware that on the D1/FBS level it's not been that way in my memory. However, other than these reasons there's no real point on colleges even competing in sports - other than money - which brings me right back to the point.

I will say that if your only goal is to get to cheer on a NC and then wear the t-shirt - you're missing out on a ton of good stuff. One of those good things is a game against people you actually know/marry/go to church with/work with/etc. The collegiate football you describe is just NFL-lite that saves a ton of money on player salaries.

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Every team that we field, whether it's football, basketball, baseball, or track, is shooting for a national championship. If you aren't aiming to be the best, then you aren't much of a competitor. So, what goal is it that you are seeking to achieve by playing the sips? A "pleasant diversion?" I would suggest that a root canal would provide the same sensory experience.

I voted Strongly Agree on all responses

I think a big issue that has been overlooked is that our SEC rivalries with our two closest rivals, Pigs and Corndogs, have been one-sided for six years in our favor and against us. Hence, no true hate because of this. Just wait until the Pigs eventually beat us and we finally break through against the Corndogs. Those two rivalries will get ugly.

My $0.02, I do think we'll play t.u. again but that won't take place until we're back to a home&home with Pigs.

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We have one goal, and one goal only for football, and that's winning a national championship.

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Nope, Wrong. Very, very wrong.

If that is our only goal, then we shouldn't even be spending the money on football as it is fruitless. Even one per decade and it's not worth the money, effort and focus for an educational institution.

Today, big time collegiate football has one (and only one) goal - that is to maximize profit. One can argue that titles help towards that goal, but the titles (and even winning) are ancillary to the money. That's not really arguable on any real terms. Sure, there's lots of "I want to prove how big my dick is on the backs of 18-22 year old young men who are athletically givted) - but really it's for the money.

What intercollegiate athletics are supposed to be about is a pleasant diversion for students from the rigors of study, a communal bonding activity for former students, and a way to build community in the intercollegiate space. And yes, I'm well aware that on the D1/FBS level it's not been that way in my memory. However, other than these reasons there's no real point on colleges even competing in sports - other than money - which brings me right back to the point.

I will say that if your only goal is to get to cheer on a NC and then wear the t-shirt - you're missing out on a ton of good stuff. One of those good things is a game against people you actually know/marry/go to church with/work with/etc. The collegiate football you describe is just NFL-lite that saves a ton of money on player salaries.

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Every team that we field, whether it's football, basketball, baseball, or track, is shooting for a national championship. If you aren't aiming to be the best, then you aren't much of a competitor. So, what goal is it that you are seeking to achieve by playing the sips? A "pleasant diversion?" I would suggest that a root canal would provide the same sensory experience.

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If that's the goal, then we should be aiming for a strong schedule every year. That means we would definitely make our schedule stronger replacing tu with one of our d2 schools.

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If that's the goal, then we should be aiming for a strong schedule every year. That means we would definitely make our schedule stronger replacing tu with one of our d2 schools.

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This is an example of the old adage, when your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

The current arrangement is one P5 opponent and three cupcakes. If the SEC decides that teams need a stronger schedule, the most likely move is to add a 9th conference game, so as to bring the SEC in line with other leagues, rather than scheduling two P5 opponents, which will actually put some of these other in-state rivalries under pressure.

I actually would enjoy a tu Thanksgiving game, but here's the fine print:
1. It would need to be officiated fairly - history shows no chance on this.
2. I would need it to be covered fairly: announcers/media/re-air all would need to be level - no chance of this either.
3. It would need to be of strategic benefit to us: which it will if the SEC loses enough football credibility for their champ to miss the playoffs - crazy talk, right?

Basically, I get why folks want it - but those who do are either naive or don't see a Naty as the goal.

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If that's the goal, then we should be aiming for a strong schedule every year. That means we would definitely make our schedule stronger replacing tu with one of our d2 schools.

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This is an example of the old adage, when your only tool is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.

The current arrangement is one P5 opponent and three cupcakes. If the SEC decides that teams need a stronger schedule, the most likely move is to add a 9th conference game, so as to bring the SEC in line with other leagues, rather than scheduling two P5 opponents, which will actually put some of these other in-state rivalries under pressure.

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So what you are saying is that our scheduling isn't completely designed for winning a national championship. Concessions are made.

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So what you are saying is that our scheduling isn't completely designed for winning a national championship. Concessions are made.

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Where did you get that? Talk about a strawman.

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We owe JIMBO 75 million coins. One way to help pay that contract is to play them.

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Now we're talking. If the cows want to play, it will cost them $7.5 million a year. Kick their ass and take their lunch money.


But, in reality, no Bonfire, no game.

NO THANK YOU

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I want it back for all sports. Rivalries are fun. Plus SEC basketball is awful.

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You haven't been paying attention this year, have you?

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1. It would need to be officiated fairly - history shows no chance on this.

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Going forward the game would be officiated by SEC refs every other year.

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2. I would need it to be covered fairly: announcers/media/re-air all would need to be level - no chance of this either.

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Why? Who cares?

When we play Alabama, do you not think the announcers have way more anecdotes about them, then us? If it drives that nuts turn the sound off on your TV and listen to the a&m radio call.

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3. It would need to be of strategic benefit to us: which it will if the SEC loses enough football credibility for their champ to miss the playoffs - crazy talk, right?

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Have you not followed football at all this college football season?

Alabama, a team that didn't play in the SEC championship game will be playing in the college football playoff. Let's say in another year we tie for the same conference record as Auburn, but they happen to get the W over us. A big rivalry game that's watched nationally at the end of the season could absolutely put us over the edge to get into the playoff, particularly considering there is a good chance that t.u. will be ranked higher than they should by the media thus making us look better when we beat them.

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I don't really care if we play them again or not, but if we're NOT going to play them then we need to start singing the first verse of the Aggie War Hymn instead of the second.

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Blue starred and quoted because it needs to be said over and over again until the change is made. Mind over matter, we no longer mind so they no longer matter.

I just don't care about the sips and I can't figure out why anyone is obsessed with them, either hating or wanting to bend over for them. One of the younger kids was saying some former students don't want to play and yet want them to hate the sips.

How about this? I don't want to play them and I could care less how you feel about them. Indifference, hate, friendly brotherhood of state of Texas schools, it doesn't matter anymore. Embrace the change, wish them well or ill and then let's get on with the 100 Year Decision.

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I don't really care if we play them again or not, but if we're NOT going to play them then we need to start singing the first verse of the Aggie War Hymn instead of the second.

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Blue starred and quoted because it needs to be said over and over again until the change is made. Mind over matter, we no longer mind so they no longer matter.

I just don't care about the sips and I can't figure out why anyone is obsessed with them, either hating or wanting to bend over for them. One of the younger kids was saying some former students don't want to play and yet want them to hate the sips.

How about this? I don't want to play them and I could care less how you feel about them. Indifference, hate, friendly brotherhood of state of Texas schools, it doesn't matter anymore. Embrace the change, wish them well or ill and then let's get on with the 100 Year Decision.

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So, are you in favor of singing the Spirit with the official modifications they tried to force in the '60s, when A&M because a university ("We are the Aggies, the Aggies so true, We're from Texas A. M. U."?).

This is Texas A&M. Anachronisms are just part of the deal.

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Every year at the start of the season like clockwork they cry about how our OOC schedule should be nothing but Little 10 teams because "we have no rivals in the SEC" and "everyone" wants to play tard and bibletard again instead!

They are unabashed in their hate of the SEC move and desire for us to go back to the L10 which is why no real Aggie runs that site

and "our" with no Ag/Spirit Tag...

Riiiiight

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So tired of ignorant posters with no argument screaming "Ag tag". I had one; it's overrated.

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I get the same thing all the time. I don't understand the big deal considering it's just an internet message board, but posters on TexAgs have a propensity to take themselves way too seriously online

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I don't really care if we play them again or not, but if we're NOT going to play them then we need to start singing the first verse of the Aggie War Hymn instead of the second.

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Blue starred and quoted because it needs to be said over and over again until the change is made. Mind over matter, we no longer mind so they no longer matter.

I just don't care about the sips and I can't figure out why anyone is obsessed with them, either hating or wanting to bend over for them. One of the younger kids was saying some former students don't want to play and yet want them to hate the sips.

How about this? I don't want to play them and I could care less how you feel about them. Indifference, hate, friendly brotherhood of state of Texas schools, it doesn't matter anymore. Embrace the change, wish them well or ill and then let's get on with the 100 Year Decision.

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So, are you in favor of singing the Spirit with the official modifications they tried to force in the '60s, when A&M because a university ("We are the Aggies, the Aggies so true, We're from Texas A. M. U."?).

This is Texas A&M. Anachronisms are just part of the deal.

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Completely different and I think you know that.

War Hymn - is the WWI version of a Taylor Swift song about a boy who treated her bad
The Spirit - is an homage to the Good Ole Days.

First Verse
All hail to dear old Texas A&M
Rally around Maroon and White
Good luck to dear old Texas Aggies
They are the boys who show the real old fight
That good old Aggie spirit thrills us
And makes us yell and yell and yell
So let's fight for dear old Texas A&M
We're going to beat you all to
Chig-gar-roo-gar-rem
Chig-gar-roo-gar-rem
Rough Tough! Real Stuff! Texas A&M!

Sing the first verse twice and saw off tails, tusks, paws, beaks or what ever, just drop the sips from our lives and move on. I can't even work up hate for them anymore, I just don't care and it's embarrassing to act as if they still matter to us.

Absolutely no way. The only way we should play is in a bowl game (with SEC refs).

No thanks.. gifting games by the tu refs for 100 years

We are above this now.

They made their bed, let them stay in it.

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I fully support playing them again. Home and home on Tday + 1. I'm not going to subscribe to the group think on this site. It was one on the greatest rivalries in football. It was on par with Mich ND, USC ND, UGA FLA, aub ala. you guys are happy to have LSU or arky as our rivalry game. These are not rivalries.

Why do you want to throw away decades of history? Just stop.

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Allow me to write an angry, 400 word post letting you know how totally over this rivalry I am and how much I don't care about it anymore.

Get a dog.

Play the game.

Drop the conspiracy theories about fixed refs. What a bunch of whiny little *****es. You think other message boards aren't filled with claims of ref bias in rivalry games?

FSU/UF
Mich/Mich St
Bama/Auburn
Miss/Miss St
Georgia/Georgia Tech
SC/Clemson
NC/ NC St
OU/Ok St
Kentucky/Louisville
UCLA/USC
Arizona/Arizona St
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I could go on and on. How many states with 2 flagship schools don't have rivalry games?

queso1 said:

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I fully support playing them again. Home and home on Tday + 1. I'm not going to subscribe to the group think on this site. It was one on the greatest rivalries in football. It was on par with Mich ND, USC ND, UGA FLA, aub ala. you guys are happy to have LSU or arky as our rivalry game. These are not rivalries.

Why do you want to throw away decades of history? Just stop.

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Preach!!

Bring back the damn game already!!

too bad they aren't our rival, they are OU's rival. You should get over it and move on like our administration has. We are in the SEC now, learn to hate Arkansas and LSU because we actually play them.