Herman will be at sip next Fall. He doesn't even like A&M except as leverage

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Let the Sips have him.

We don't need to overpay another unproven flavor of the month from Cougar High.

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"From cougar high."

By your logic, he is disqualified due to where he has spent the past year. You're disregarding all of his work due to the school he is at, yet he had UH playing better than Texas A&M.

Oh, and can't forget that offense that he had a huge part in winning a national title for Ohio State.

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English, mother****er, do you speak it?

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Herman will be at sip next Fall. He doesn't even like A&M except as leverage

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What in the world would make you thank that.

Herman will replace Briles.

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Herman will replace Briles.

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Herman will replace Briles.

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Is Herman that stupid?

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Briles was...

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Briles was...

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Baylor will be lucky to get Fran considering their current and future predicament.

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Herman will replace Briles.

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Briles was...

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Briles and Baylor were made for each other. That was a match made in hell, with the requisite selling of souls all the way around.

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Herman will be at sip next Fall. He doesn't even like A&M except as leverage

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I don't disagree. I am going to speculate here because things are slow at work, but the end of next season will be a complete shi*storm for us.

I think there are going to be a lot of rumors/uncertainty surrounding Sumlin leaving to the NFL, and whether or not it is voluntary (led by ESPN, DMN, Austin Statesman). Whether it is voluntary or not is important given his contract*. At the same time, rumors will start circulating that Herman is interested in Texas A&M and t.u. - especially if t.u. has another not-so-good season under Charlie as many of us believe will happen.

This would add fuel to the fire that is the first situation and Sumlin's contract, and whether A&M will try to snag Herman from UH and get into a bidding war with t.u.**, while at the same time trying to decide how to handle Sumlin's contract. Either Sumlin leaves to the NFL on his own accord, we pay him what he is owed, or we terminate him and then deal with the blow-back from 1. how we handle his termination (something that we haven't done well in the past with HCs), 2. trying to court a HC from another school at the same time, and 3. the bidding war with our old rival (major recruiting implications for future years - Herman is already establishing a decent recruiting footprint in Houston and it will grow after he moves on).

Personally, I don't think the leadership at t.u. will tolerate a 7 or 8 win season under Charlie. They want results ASAP, and if they see us making a move on Herman they will not hesitate to go after him as well and they will go after him hard, especially if UH has another good season like last year.***

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*I have not read his contract in detail and the payout he is owed (15 million) and its trigger is what I gathered from comments on this board.
**Assumes no other schools besides Texas A&M and t.u. come into the mix for Herman, and he does not make it clear that he has no intention to leave UH.
***Sorry for the TL;DR and if I am wrong then oh well

Not disagreeing with anything there. Would just like to add that Perrin will be out and a new AD in at some point soon. The AD hire on the 40 acres will be a clue as which way he will lean on a new hire, or even firing Strong. I would expect the sips to make a strong play for Strong's former boss, Jurich, at Louisville. Seems unlikely he would then fire Strong quickly, barring 1-11 record.

And there likely could be some other openings that might entice Herman: the ever-present will-Saban-retire issue, LSU, Auburn, Notre Dame, Florida State???

If Sumlin is gone after this season, Chad Morris seems likely to me for the next hire, if Herman isn't available.

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If Sumlin is gone after this season, Chad Morris seems likely to me for the next hire, if Herman isn't available.

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Would we really hire Morris with his current performance at SMU? What if he has another bad season?

I think whoever the horn AD is going to be, will be hard pressed to keep the boosters at bay if Strong struggles yet again. He could very well have another losing season. I don't think the horns have had three straight losing seasons since before DKR.

I think if Sumlin is successful enough to get a shot at the NFL, he is going to take it.

I think Strong is gone after next season. Why? I don't see them winning more than 5 games. All of this propping up Strong with with his "recruting prowess", core values, player "development", and on and on, does not add up to hill of horse turds compared to on-the-field results.

There will be clamoring for Herman as early as October when the sips start 1-4 (losses against ND, @Cal, OU, and @OSU).

Charlie will figure out how to eek our victories over Iowa St, Kansas, KSU to finish 4-8, or maybe 5-7 if they can beat WVU. That won't be enough.

Herman is the sip HC next year.

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Would we really hire Morris with his current performance at SMU? What if he has another bad season?

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Morris did a fantastic job considering SMU football has been a dumpster fire for the last 30 years. But, it's his tenure at Clemson that is the more impressive item on his resume.

All this presages Sumlin, for one reason or another, not being at A&M next year. I think it better than even money that he will.

It would be easier for everyone, certainly, if A&M, Sumlin and the program generally didn't, to adapt a quote from LBJ, have so many "outside the tent pissing in".

There's another wild card coach out there. Chip Kelly.

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Do you even watch football bro? He's been wildly successful everywhere he's been.

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I remember people saying this when we hired Fran.

I don't think Sumlin will do poorly enough to get fired (unless their is a repeat of last year with another locker room meltdown but I doubt it). I do think if he has a great year and the NFL comes looking he will take that opportunity. I think he wants that challenge, imo.

I think he will be at A&M because I think it will take a repeat of 2012 to get the NFL truly interested again (at least interested enough to make him leave the salary here). I think we might do well but not that well.

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Let the Sips have him.

We don't need to overpay another unproven flavor of the month from Cougar High.

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Lololololiol "unproven flavor of the month..."

Do you even watch football bro? He's been wildly successful everywhere he's been. My guess is you didn't even know who he was until last season.

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Missing my point completely... Assistant coaching at wildly successful programs doesn't guarantee future success as a head coach. He had an exceptional year last year as HC with his predecessor's recruits. Herman needs do something well for more than a single season as a HC before we claim him to be the second coming of Bear Bryant. AAC opponents are not even remotely in the same class as the opponents we play SEC - completely different ballgame.

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Herman needs do something well for more than a single season as a HC before we claim him to be the second coming of Bear Bryant. AAC opponents are not even remotely in the same class as the opponents we play SEC - completely different ballgame.

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Fair point. The counter-point to that is his recruiting prowess thus far at Houston...in the AAC against Big XII and SEC programs. After Ohio State, it isn't a stretch to say if he has the hosses, he's got a good team.

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Herman needs do something well for more than a single season as a HC before we claim him to be the second coming of Bear Bryant. AAC opponents are not even remotely in the same class as the opponents we play SEC - completely different ballgame.

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Fair point. The counter-point to that is his recruiting prowess thus far at Houston...in the AAC against Big XII and SEC programs. After Ohio State, it isn't a stretch to say if he has the hosses, he's got a good team.

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Yeah, I hear you. I'm actually not done with Sumlin (unless he's done with us). He's recruiting well - that has never been his problem. He just surrounded himself with the wrong assistant coaches. He has made some pretty big moves to bolster those weaknesses. I think this will be a big year.

Hope so. I've had my concerns with Sumlin, honestly, going back to some bad judgment calls during Johnny's time. But I also am willing to admit he had a string of a few things that were out of his control like Kenny Hill's meltdown. That 59-0 beat down in Tuscaloosa is a hard thing to overcome.

If he goes NFL, fine. If he has a good to great season? Terrific. If he has another mid-season team meltdown? Buh-bye.

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Would we really hire Morris with his current performance at SMU? What if he has another bad season?

I think whoever the horn AD is going to be, will be hard pressed to keep the boosters at bay if Strong struggles yet again. He could very well have another losing season. I don't think the horns have had three straight losing seasons since before DKR.

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Did you really expect him to be successful at SMU last year. Did you really?

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Herman will replace Briles.

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Who is the last guy you knew that turned down 5M a year.

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Who is the last guy you knew that turned down 5M a year.

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Herman. Might not have been 5 million, but South Carolina offered close to that. When Herman refused and South Carolina turned towards Kirby Smart, Georgia promptly fired Richt and entered the fray.

Herman is an odd duck. Money is great, but not the trump card for him.

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Who is the last guy you knew that turned down 5M a year.

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Jonathan Paul Manziel

As you acknowledge, he didn't turn down $5mm.

He's making $3mm at UH. Why go to SC for around $4mm when you can wait and get a long term deal at close to $6mm at a good school?

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As you acknowledge, he didn't turn down $5mm.

He's making $3mm at UH. Why go to SC for around $4mm when you can wait and get a long term deal at close to $6mm at a good school?

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Who is going to pay him 6 million?

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Dumbest thing I have seen on here in a while.

Does Ohio State winning the natty in 2014 ring bell? How about the 12-0, 12-2, 14-1 seasons while he was the offensive coordinator there? Braxton Miller, Cardale Jones, or JT Barrett ring some bells? He was the QB coach.

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Proximity to greatness never guarantees success for the next hire!!!

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As you acknowledge, he didn't turn down $5mm.

He's making $3mm at UH. Why go to SC for around $4mm when you can wait and get a long term deal at close to $6mm at a good school?

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Who is going to pay him 6 million?

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He is making $3 million plus the opportunity to received a $5 million bonus if UH lands in a P5 conference in the next 5 years....

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As you acknowledge, he didn't turn down $5mm.

He's making $3mm at UH. Why go to SC for around $4mm when you can wait and get a long term deal at close to $6mm at a good school?

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Who is going to pay him 6 million?

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He is making $3 million plus the opportunity to received a $5 million bonus if UH lands in a P5 conference in the next 5 years....

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The Big 12 is not considered to be a P5 conference in large swaths of the country.

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As you acknowledge, he didn't turn down $5mm.

He's making $3mm at UH. Why go to SC for around $4mm when you can wait and get a long term deal at close to $6mm at a good school?

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Who is going to pay him 6 million?

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Within the next few years could be a number of schools.

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Oh. I misunderstood. I thought we were talking about at the end of this season. Not a few years from now.

My bad.

May be even of this year depending on what happens in Austin, college station, Houston & Baton Rouge

My personal guess is all 4 are at same job in 2017

Hire any of Herman, Morris, or Fedora and do whatever it takes to retain chief.

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Herman will replace Briles.

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Who is the last guy you knew that turned down 5M a year.

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Herman. Might not have been 5 million, but South Carolina offered close to that. When Herman refused and South Carolina turned towards Kirby Smart, Georgia promptly fired Richt and entered the fray.

Herman is an odd duck. Money is great, but not the trump card for him.

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I can say this is pretty accurate based on what someone close to the program told me. South Carolina's offer was above 4mil plus a large pool of funds for assistants. The offer almost worked but he (and especially his family) like Houston and the whole city atmosphere. He'll leave UH for sure at some point, but not sure for college station.