I always felt Mike Sherman was really good at evaluating and developing O linemen. Could we be seeing the effects of him no longer involved in the O line?
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He was better at evaluating, recruiting and developing EVERY offensive position, not just OL. Sumlin and McKinney have done a terrible job at RB recruiting, and WR development is not close either. Look at Swope or EZ in their 2nd years, better than what we have now - though some of that is scheme related also. Evans played HS ball in Galveston, Sumlin didn't recruit him to UH, but Sherman knew what he could be.
I think that is a big problem right now, too much recruiting based on who dominates in HS, which is fine for Mack/Kirk/Garrett, but not for OL and RBs and WRs. That is how a spread team ends up with just 3 good WR and no RBs and a bad OL. As they weren't recruited based on what they could be developed into, IMHO.
Sherman never got enough depth on D but he built the 2012 defense with 3* recruits, and didn't get a good DC early on though Deruyter was a good get.
He inherited a trash pile with a screwed up roster but worked his a** of for us and built something, and the RC Slocum nutrition center, football performance center/weight room, and Bright expansion (though not in swag mode) were all his ideas.
EVERY starting OL on the 2012 team plays in the NFL, that is unheard of, much less 3 first round picks.
His 3rd and 4th year teams would beat the s*** out of Sumlins 3rd and 4th year teams.
I do think Sumlin is a better fit for college and recruits well at least on paper, player development and scheme are lacking.
I don't necessarily think Sherman was our guy, THE guy, not our Stoops or Saban or Meyer, but be damned sure was the right guy at the right time.
Although I don't think he should have been let go, I understand it. But the way it happened and the way he found out was totally and completely SHAMEFUL and DISGRACEFUL for our program. And yet Mike was man enough to stop walk into Matt Davis's (?) living room and close the deal to convince him and his parents that A&M was the best place for him.
His post-mortem presser, which is unusual and he didn't have to do, was epic and the mark of a good man. His graduation speech in the summer of 2011 was great.
We will never have a better man and leader of young men as our coach.
And he sure as s*** wouldn't have hired a 29 year old kid who had never been an OC and called plays to be an OC in the SEC, 3 years removed from being a graduate assistant!
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He was better at evaluating, recruiting and developing EVERY offensive position, not just OL. Sumlin and McKinney have done a terrible job at RB recruiting, and WR development is not close either. Look at Swope or EZ in their 2nd years, better than what we have now - though some of that is scheme related also. Evans played HS ball in Galveston, Sumlin didn't recruit him to UH, but Sherman knew what he could be.
I think that is a big problem right now, too much recruiting based on who dominates in HS, which is fine for Mack/Kirk/Garrett, but not for OL and RBs and WRs. That is how a spread team ends up with just 3 good WR and no RBs and a bad OL. As they weren't recruited based on what they could be developed into, IMHO.
Sherman never got enough depth on D but he built the 2012 defense with 3* recruits, and didn't get a good DC early on though Deruyter was a good get.
He inherited a trash pile with a screwed up roster but worked his a** of for us and built something, and the RC Slocum nutrition center, football performance center/weight room, and Bright expansion (though not in swag mode) were all his ideas.
EVERY starting OL on the 2012 team plays in the NFL, that is unheard of, much less 3 first round picks.
His 3rd and 4th year teams would beat the s*** out of Sumlins 3rd and 4th year teams.
I do think Sumlin is a better fit for college and recruits well at least on paper, player development and scheme are lacking.
I don't necessarily think Sherman was our guy, THE guy, not our Stoops or Saban or Meyer, but be damned sure was the right guy at the right time.
Although I don't think he should have been let go, I understand it. But the way it happened and the way he found out was totally and completely SHAMEFUL and DISGRACEFUL for our program. And yet Mike was man enough to stop walk into Matt Davis's (?) living room and close the deal to convince him and his parents that A&M was the best place for him.
His post-mortem presser, which is unusual and he didn't have to do, was epic and the mark of a good man. His graduation speech in the summer of 2011 was great.
We will never have a better man and leader of young men as our coach.
And he sure as s*** wouldn't have hired a 29 year old kid who had never been an OC and called plays to be an OC in the SEC, 3 years removed from being a graduate assistant!
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He was better at evaluating, recruiting and developing EVERY offensive position, not just OL. Sumlin and McKinney have done a terrible job at RB recruiting, and WR development is not close either. Look at Swope or EZ in their 2nd years, better than what we have now - though some of that is scheme related also. Evans played HS ball in Galveston, Sumlin didn't recruit him to UH, but Sherman knew what he could be.
I think that is a big problem right now, too much recruiting based on who dominates in HS, which is fine for Mack/Kirk/Garrett, but not for OL and RBs and WRs. That is how a spread team ends up with just 3 good WR and no RBs and a bad OL. As they weren't recruited based on what they could be developed into, IMHO.
Sherman never got enough depth on D but he built the 2012 defense with 3* recruits, and didn't get a good DC early on though Deruyter was a good get.
He inherited a trash pile with a screwed up roster but worked his a** of for us and built something, and the RC Slocum nutrition center, football performance center/weight room, and Bright expansion (though not in swag mode) were all his ideas.
EVERY starting OL on the 2012 team plays in the NFL, that is unheard of, much less 3 first round picks.
His 3rd and 4th year teams would beat the s*** out of Sumlins 3rd and 4th year teams.
I do think Sumlin is a better fit for college and recruits well at least on paper, player development and scheme are lacking.
I don't necessarily think Sherman was our guy, THE guy, not our Stoops or Saban or Meyer, but be damned sure was the right guy at the right time.
Although I don't think he should have been let go, I understand it. But the way it happened and the way he found out was totally and completely SHAMEFUL and DISGRACEFUL for our program. And yet Mike was man enough to stop walk into Matt Davis's (?) living room and close the deal to convince him and his parents that A&M was the best place for him.
His post-mortem presser, which is unusual and he didn't have to do, was epic and the mark of a good man. His graduation speech in the summer of 2011 was great.
We will never have a better man and leader of young men as our coach.
And he sure as s*** wouldn't have hired a 29 year old kid who had never been an OC and called plays to be an OC in the SEC, 3 years removed from being a graduate assistant!
quote:TexAgs can be shut down for the night. Nothing is going to top that. That is the best post I've read on this board in quite a while.
He was better at evaluating, recruiting and developing EVERY offensive position, not just OL. Sumlin and McKinney have done a terrible job at RB recruiting, and WR development is not close either. Look at Swope or EZ in their 2nd years, better than what we have now - though some of that is scheme related also. Evans played HS ball in Galveston, Sumlin didn't recruit him to UH, but Sherman knew what he could be.
I think that is a big problem right now, too much recruiting based on who dominates in HS, which is fine for Mack/Kirk/Garrett, but not for OL and RBs and WRs. That is how a spread team ends up with just 3 good WR and no RBs and a bad OL. As they weren't recruited based on what they could be developed into, IMHO.
Sherman never got enough depth on D but he built the 2012 defense with 3* recruits, and didn't get a good DC early on though Deruyter was a good get.
He inherited a trash pile with a screwed up roster but worked his a** of for us and built something, and the RC Slocum nutrition center, football performance center/weight room, and Bright expansion (though not in swag mode) were all his ideas.
EVERY starting OL on the 2012 team plays in the NFL, that is unheard of, much less 3 first round picks.
His 3rd and 4th year teams would beat the s*** out of Sumlins 3rd and 4th year teams.
I do think Sumlin is a better fit for college and recruits well at least on paper, player development and scheme are lacking.
I don't necessarily think Sherman was our guy, THE guy, not our Stoops or Saban or Meyer, but be damned sure was the right guy at the right time.
Although I don't think he should have been let go, I understand it. But the way it happened and the way he found out was totally and completely SHAMEFUL and DISGRACEFUL for our program. And yet Mike was man enough to stop walk into Matt Davis's (?) living room and close the deal to convince him and his parents that A&M was the best place for him.
His post-mortem presser, which is unusual and he didn't have to do, was epic and the mark of a good man. His graduation speech in the summer of 2011 was great.
We will never have a better man and leader of young men as our coach.
And he sure as s*** wouldn't have hired a 29 year old kid who had never been an OC and called plays to be an OC in the SEC, 3 years removed from being a graduate assistant!
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He was better at evaluating, recruiting and developing EVERY offensive position, not just OL. Sumlin and McKinney have done a terrible job at RB recruiting, and WR development is not close either. Look at Swope or EZ in their 2nd years, better than what we have now - though some of that is scheme related also. Evans played HS ball in Galveston, Sumlin didn't recruit him to UH, but Sherman knew what he could be.
I think that is a big problem right now, too much recruiting based on who dominates in HS, which is fine for Mack/Kirk/Garrett, but not for OL and RBs and WRs. That is how a spread team ends up with just 3 good WR and no RBs and a bad OL. As they weren't recruited based on what they could be developed into, IMHO.
Sherman never got enough depth on D but he built the 2012 defense with 3* recruits, and didn't get a good DC early on though Deruyter was a good get.
He inherited a trash pile with a screwed up roster but worked his a** of for us and built something, and the RC Slocum nutrition center, football performance center/weight room, and Bright expansion (though not in swag mode) were all his ideas.
EVERY starting OL on the 2012 team plays in the NFL, that is unheard of, much less 3 first round picks.
His 3rd and 4th year teams would beat the s*** out of Sumlins 3rd and 4th year teams.
I do think Sumlin is a better fit for college and recruits well at least on paper, player development and scheme are lacking.
I don't necessarily think Sherman was our guy, THE guy, not our Stoops or Saban or Meyer, but be damned sure was the right guy at the right time.
Although I don't think he should have been let go, I understand it. But the way it happened and the way he found out was totally and completely SHAMEFUL and DISGRACEFUL for our program. And yet Mike was man enough to stop walk into Matt Davis's (?) living room and close the deal to convince him and his parents that A&M was the best place for him.
His post-mortem presser, which is unusual and he didn't have to do, was epic and the mark of a good man. His graduation speech in the summer of 2011 was great.
We will never have a better man and leader of young men as our coach.
And he sure as s*** wouldn't have hired a 29 year old kid who had never been an OC and called plays to be an OC in the SEC, 3 years removed from being a graduate assistant!
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I agree with most of that, but there was no excuse to lose to tu in 2011.
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He was better at evaluating, recruiting and developing EVERY offensive position, not just OL. Sumlin and McKinney have done a terrible job at RB recruiting, and WR development is not close either. Look at Swope or EZ in their 2nd years, better than what we have now - though some of that is scheme related also. Evans played HS ball in Galveston, Sumlin didn't recruit him to UH, but Sherman knew what he could be.
I think that is a big problem right now, too much recruiting based on who dominates in HS, which is fine for Mack/Kirk/Garrett, but not for OL and RBs and WRs. That is how a spread team ends up with just 3 good WR and no RBs and a bad OL. As they weren't recruited based on what they could be developed into, IMHO.
Sherman never got enough depth on D but he built the 2012 defense with 3* recruits, and didn't get a good DC early on though Deruyter was a good get.
He inherited a trash pile with a screwed up roster but worked his a** of for us and built something, and the RC Slocum nutrition center, football performance center/weight room, and Bright expansion (though not in swag mode) were all his ideas.
EVERY starting OL on the 2012 team plays in the NFL, that is unheard of, much less 3 first round picks.
His 3rd and 4th year teams would beat the s*** out of Sumlins 3rd and 4th year teams.
I do think Sumlin is a better fit for college and recruits well at least on paper, player development and scheme are lacking.
I don't necessarily think Sherman was our guy, THE guy, not our Stoops or Saban or Meyer, but be damned sure was the right guy at the right time.
Although I don't think he should have been let go, I understand it. But the way it happened and the way he found out was totally and completely SHAMEFUL and DISGRACEFUL for our program. And yet Mike was man enough to stop walk into Matt Davis's (?) living room and close the deal to convince him and his parents that A&M was the best place for him.
His post-mortem presser, which is unusual and he didn't have to do, was epic and the mark of a good man. His graduation speech in the summer of 2011 was great.
We will never have a better man and leader of young men as our coach.
And he sure as s*** wouldn't have hired a 29 year old kid who had never been an OC and called plays to be an OC in the SEC, 3 years removed from being a graduate assistant!
quote:In the BigCluster****, no less.
Mike was 25-25. That's right. 25-25. That's why he was fired. Period. Btw, I agree, he is a good man. But his record, 25-25.
quote:Well said.
He was better at evaluating, recruiting and developing EVERY offensive position, not just OL. Sumlin and McKinney have done a terrible job at RB recruiting, and WR development is not close either. Look at Swope or EZ in their 2nd years, better than what we have now - though some of that is scheme related also. Evans played HS ball in Galveston, Sumlin didn't recruit him to UH, but Sherman knew what he could be.
I think that is a big problem right now, too much recruiting based on who dominates in HS, which is fine for Mack/Kirk/Garrett, but not for OL and RBs and WRs. That is how a spread team ends up with just 3 good WR and no RBs and a bad OL. As they weren't recruited based on what they could be developed into, IMHO.
Sherman never got enough depth on D but he built the 2012 defense with 3* recruits, and didn't get a good DC early on though Deruyter was a good get.
He inherited a trash pile with a screwed up roster but worked his a** of for us and built something, and the RC Slocum nutrition center, football performance center/weight room, and Bright expansion (though not in swag mode) were all his ideas.
EVERY starting OL on the 2012 team plays in the NFL, that is unheard of, much less 3 first round picks.
His 3rd and 4th year teams would beat the s*** out of Sumlins 3rd and 4th year teams.
I do think Sumlin is a better fit for college and recruits well at least on paper, player development and scheme are lacking.
I don't necessarily think Sherman was our guy, THE guy, not our Stoops or Saban or Meyer, but be damned sure was the right guy at the right time.
Although I don't think he should have been let go, I understand it. But the way it happened and the way he found out was totally and completely SHAMEFUL and DISGRACEFUL for our program. And yet Mike was man enough to stop walk into Matt Davis's (?) living room and close the deal to convince him and his parents that A&M was the best place for him.
His post-mortem presser, which is unusual and he didn't have to do, was epic and the mark of a good man. His graduation speech in the summer of 2011 was great.
We will never have a better man and leader of young men as our coach.
And he sure as s*** wouldn't have hired a 29 year old kid who had never been an OC and called plays to be an OC in the SEC, 3 years removed from being a graduate assistant!
quote:quote:Well said.
He was better at evaluating, recruiting and developing EVERY offensive position, not just OL. Sumlin and McKinney have done a terrible job at RB recruiting, and WR development is not close either. Look at Swope or EZ in their 2nd years, better than what we have now - though some of that is scheme related also. Evans played HS ball in Galveston, Sumlin didn't recruit him to UH, but Sherman knew what he could be.
I think that is a big problem right now, too much recruiting based on who dominates in HS, which is fine for Mack/Kirk/Garrett, but not for OL and RBs and WRs. That is how a spread team ends up with just 3 good WR and no RBs and a bad OL. As they weren't recruited based on what they could be developed into, IMHO.
Sherman never got enough depth on D but he built the 2012 defense with 3* recruits, and didn't get a good DC early on though Deruyter was a good get.
He inherited a trash pile with a screwed up roster but worked his a** of for us and built something, and the RC Slocum nutrition center, football performance center/weight room, and Bright expansion (though not in swag mode) were all his ideas.
EVERY starting OL on the 2012 team plays in the NFL, that is unheard of, much less 3 first round picks.
His 3rd and 4th year teams would beat the s*** out of Sumlins 3rd and 4th year teams.
I do think Sumlin is a better fit for college and recruits well at least on paper, player development and scheme are lacking.
I don't necessarily think Sherman was our guy, THE guy, not our Stoops or Saban or Meyer, but be damned sure was the right guy at the right time.
Although I don't think he should have been let go, I understand it. But the way it happened and the way he found out was totally and completely SHAMEFUL and DISGRACEFUL for our program. And yet Mike was man enough to stop walk into Matt Davis's (?) living room and close the deal to convince him and his parents that A&M was the best place for him.
His post-mortem presser, which is unusual and he didn't have to do, was epic and the mark of a good man. His graduation speech in the summer of 2011 was great.
We will never have a better man and leader of young men as our coach.
And he sure as s*** wouldn't have hired a 29 year old kid who had never been an OC and called plays to be an OC in the SEC, 3 years removed from being a graduate assistant!
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He was better at evaluating, recruiting and developing EVERY offensive position, not just OL. Sumlin and McKinney have done a terrible job at RB recruiting, and WR development is not close either. Look at Swope or EZ in their 2nd years, better than what we have now - though some of that is scheme related also. Evans played HS ball in Galveston, Sumlin didn't recruit him to UH, but Sherman knew what he could be.
I think that is a big problem right now, too much recruiting based on who dominates in HS, which is fine for Mack/Kirk/Garrett, but not for OL and RBs and WRs. That is how a spread team ends up with just 3 good WR and no RBs and a bad OL. As they weren't recruited based on what they could be developed into, IMHO.
Sherman never got enough depth on D but he built the 2012 defense with 3* recruits, and didn't get a good DC early on though Deruyter was a good get.
He inherited a trash pile with a screwed up roster but worked his a** of for us and built something, and the RC Slocum nutrition center, football performance center/weight room, and Bright expansion (though not in swag mode) were all his ideas.
EVERY starting OL on the 2012 team plays in the NFL, that is unheard of, much less 3 first round picks.
His 3rd and 4th year teams would beat the s*** out of Sumlins 3rd and 4th year teams.
I do think Sumlin is a better fit for college and recruits well at least on paper, player development and scheme are lacking.
I don't necessarily think Sherman was our guy, THE guy, not our Stoops or Saban or Meyer, but be damned sure was the right guy at the right time.
Although I don't think he should have been let go, I understand it. But the way it happened and the way he found out was totally and completely SHAMEFUL and DISGRACEFUL for our program. And yet Mike was man enough to stop walk into Matt Davis's (?) living room and close the deal to convince him and his parents that A&M was the best place for him.
His post-mortem presser, which is unusual and he didn't have to do, was epic and the mark of a good man. His graduation speech in the summer of 2011 was great.
We will never have a better man and leader of young men as our coach.
And he sure as s*** wouldn't have hired a 29 year old kid who had never been an OC and called plays to be an OC in the SEC, 3 years removed from being a graduate assistant!
quote:This is complete and utter bull ****. It's like some of you have completely blocked out how those teams actually fared against much, much easier competition.
His 3rd and 4th year teams would beat the s*** out of Sumlins 3rd and 4th year teams.
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He was better at evaluating, recruiting and developing EVERY offensive position, not just OL. Sumlin and McKinney have done a terrible job at RB recruiting, and WR development is not close either. Look at Swope or EZ in their 2nd years, better than what we have now - though some of that is scheme related also. Evans played HS ball in Galveston, Sumlin didn't recruit him to UH, but Sherman knew what he could be.
I think that is a big problem right now, too much recruiting based on who dominates in HS, which is fine for Mack/Kirk/Garrett, but not for OL and RBs and WRs. That is how a spread team ends up with just 3 good WR and no RBs and a bad OL. As they weren't recruited based on what they could be developed into, IMHO.
Sherman never got enough depth on D but he built the 2012 defense with 3* recruits, and didn't get a good DC early on though Deruyter was a good get.
He inherited a trash pile with a screwed up roster but worked his a** of for us and built something, and the RC Slocum nutrition center, football performance center/weight room, and Bright expansion (though not in swag mode) were all his ideas.
EVERY starting OL on the 2012 team plays in the NFL, that is unheard of, much less 3 first round picks.
His 3rd and 4th year teams would beat the s*** out of Sumlins 3rd and 4th year teams.
I do think Sumlin is a better fit for college and recruits well at least on paper, player development and scheme are lacking.
I don't necessarily think Sherman was our guy, THE guy, not our Stoops or Saban or Meyer, but be damned sure was the right guy at the right time.
Although I don't think he should have been let go, I understand it. But the way it happened and the way he found out was totally and completely SHAMEFUL and DISGRACEFUL for our program. And yet Mike was man enough to stop walk into Matt Davis's (?) living room and close the deal to convince him and his parents that A&M was the best place for him.
His post-mortem presser, which is unusual and he didn't have to do, was epic and the mark of a good man. His graduation speech in the summer of 2011 was great.
We will never have a better man and leader of young men as our coach.
And he sure as s*** wouldn't have hired a 29 year old kid who had never been an OC and called plays to be an OC in the SEC, 3 years removed from being a graduate assistant!