...before 2012? I think a lot of us would have preferred strong. Good thing the zoo doesn't get to make decisions. I see all of this strong bashing, but I guess he's not the worst coach ever. That's hard to see though through maroon colored glasses.

EDIT: I mainly say this because we were so wrong about who would be the better coach. and, I can understand why people have false hope that charlie will save their program.

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Yeah. 100% serious topic. I remember when people were throwing out names for our next HC and a lot of people wanted Strong. Lots of people were upset when we hired Sumlin.

Of course Sumlin is the better coach now without question, but looking back on the situation was interesting IMO.

Strong was my favorite to be hired here at the time. Love everything Sumlin has done here.

Right now I'll logically say it's a push based on what you prefer. Strong is a proven defensive mastermind. Sumlin is a proven offensive mastermind. Sumlin with a stud DC (yay we have one now) and Strong with a stud OC (let's say Tom Hermann just as an example. Yes I know he's now a HC) are pretty equivalent duos in my opinion.

Advantage Sumlin now since strong has a rather questionable OC at the moment and of course because he's an ag and my favorite coolaid is the maroon kind.

Maybe the thread does suck. (good possibility actually), but it's an interesting thought. If it were 2011 and we took a poll on TA, how many more votes would Strong get?

I think you'd have different answers but certainly you'd say Strong was a better defensive coach and Sumlin offensive. I would suspect that people might think Strong was a little more proven. That said, in hindsight, it's Sumlin....3* Charlie is a disaster at a program the level of texas in results and approach. On the latter he started with close to zero in state ties for recruiting...dumb... He also just outright plagiarized Urban's code....at least spin a bit to make it your own... results speak for themselves.... the recent momentum change in recruiting notwithstanding...

I think it's a push also. The '15 recruiting classes are virtually equal in most rankings. They Ags finished 6th in their division, the Horns finished tied for 4th in the conference and neither team has a title in recent years.

I don't think it's anywhere close to a "push" now. I think it was a home run hire for us.

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No maybe about it.

I think the jury's still out with Strong at tu. Same may be said for Sumlin post-JFF.

Before they were both hired at both t.u and A&M, I would have said Strong. Seeing them up close and personal these days. Sumlin...

The only thing that Strong does better thus far is field a better defense. In about 2 years though I think the tables may turn some on defense.

Sumlin's players enjoy playing for him more than Strong's. Sumlin won more games his first year (A&M) than Strong did at t.u and in a much tougher conference. Sumlin recruits better. Sumlin's offense dwarfs Strongs

Strong makes Sumlin look like a Harvard scholar too

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Not so fast. The jury is still out as to Sumlin's ability w/out a QB named JFF. Last season was full of coaching mistakes.

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Last season was full of coaching mistakes.

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Did you see the whorns this season? They couldn't manage a coin flip.

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They Ags finished 6th in their division, the Horns finished tied for 4th in the conference and neither team has a title in recent years.

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There is a bit of a difference in the overall strength of the conferences. The Ags beat one of the teams tied for fourth place in the bdf. The last place team in our division (who we beat) destroyed the whorns in what was essentially a home game for them.

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Not so fast. The jury is still out as to Sumlin's ability w/out a QB named JFF. Last season was full of coaching mistakes.

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...and he got rid of the mistake and brought in a game changer.

2 concerns on last season. He waited too long to pull Kenny. Sumlin was loyal to him till the end and hoped that he would recover and turn it around. Second concern is about keeping Spav. Spav's play calling was really bad at times. Hope it's better next year.

Stupid question from a stupid poster.

Scatman hasn't coached a down in the SEC. And has managed to get his ass kicked in a subpar conference by teams that have 1/3 the talent.

Now, what was your question again?

As far as coaching records, they're honestly about the same. I wasn't happy when we hired Sumlin, but I've spoken with former players and coaches and I was evidently very wrong about the hire. My preference was for Strong when the position was open, and I still think he's a great coach, but I'm glad we have Sumlin.

My biggest misgiving with him was the retention of Snyder. That's done now and he knocked the hire not just out of the park but across the damn city. Beyond all that, he's made hard decisions about players and playing time. Each decision he's made has turned out for the best so far, so he's proven flexibility.

With regard to recent recruiting, it sounds like his professionalism has even caused schisms where they might not have existed with lesser principled coaches. That's pretty impressive. I'm on board 100%.

Finally, the sips can rot in hell, along with their chobbit leader.

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Stupid question from a stupid poster.

Scatman hasn't coached a down in the SEC. And has managed to get his ass kicked in a subpar conference by teams that have 1/3 the talent.

Now, what was your question again?

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I just I just vomited in my mouth because I actually find myself agreeing with Brakeman here.

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Not so fast. The jury is still out as to Sumlin's ability w/out a QB named JFF. Last season was full of coaching mistakes.

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...and he got rid of the mistake and brought in a game changer.

2 concerns on last season. He waited too long to pull Kenny. Sumlin was loyal to him till the end and hoped that he would recover and turn it around. Second concern is about keeping Spav. Spav's play calling was really bad at times. Hope it's better next year.

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Waited too long? It was his first year to start. You don't just pull the plug on a first year starter after one or two "bad" games. I think they handled the Kenny HIll scenario about as good as it gets.

As far as Spav's play calling. That's one area I don't think anyone on this site is qualified to chime in on. There are so many variables that we don't even know while sitting at home or in the stands. I can think of ONE game where I think play calling should have been different. Just one... that's it. Even then its very debateable. Everyone is a qualified coach on the internet...

Tamu EDS......thanks for the compliment. Now stop being a woman.

Before 2012 - Sumlin.

2012 - Sumlin

After 2012 - Sumlin.

As soon as I would've heard Charlie Strong speak in an interview, I wouldn't have wanted him. He's very Aspergery.

Next stop for OP will be the WW2 veterans board to create a topic titled "Better world leader, Roosevelt or Hitler." You'll get equally fair and unbiased opinions there.

I did not have Strong as my leading candidate. I honestly had Sumlin, and I had several friends and family laugh at me on this.

I still think that Strong, if given enough time and true support will turn the sips program around. I do not think he will get the time and I think the support for him is not all that great. I believe he was set up to fail.

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Stupid question from a stupid poster.

Scatman hasn't coached a down in the SEC. And has managed to get his ass kicked in a subpar conference by teams that have 1/3 the talent.

Now, what was your question again?

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Next stop for OP will be the WW2 veterans board to create a topic titled "Better world leader, Roosevelt or Hitler." You'll get equally fair and unbiased opinions there.

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Thanks man. Are you enjoying your time here on TexAgs? I'm sure it's not what you are accustom to compared to the shag, but we like it. After you guys get you face dragged across the pavement on NSD, I guess most of you will be leaving. It was nice of you to stop by though.

Or we can just go back to 2011 using the INTERNET!!!!!

http://texags.com/forums/5/topics/1992925/1

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This will be the scene on NSD, what will be fun is watching ESiPN spinning like the 3rd quarter in the Texas Bowl...

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Let me guess. You have a shaved head and red boot strings?

Brakeman, that easy to say now.

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Last season was full of coaching mistakes.

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Did you see the whorns this season? They couldn't manage a coin flip.

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They Ags finished 6th in their division, the Horns finished tied for 4th in the conference and neither team has a title in recent years.

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There is a bit of a difference in the overall strength of the conferences. The Ags beat one of the teams tied for fourth place in the bdf. The last place team in our division (who we beat) destroyed the whorns in what was essentially a home game for them.

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The SEC West was unquestionably the toughest division in cfb but the Big 12 isnt the cakewalk some on here say it is. Texas also faced a tough OOC schedule early and did so with a project QB thrown into his first meaningful action. A&M also received the benefit of 4 automatic OOC wins in playing Rice, SMU, Lamar, and Louisiana-Monroe.

Overall Texas improved over the course of the season, but only marginally on offense as limitations on that side of the ball held them back. A&M had an up and down year but went through a QB shake-up of their own and suffered from their own limitations on defense as well.

WVU finished 6th in the Big 12 due to head to head losses to UT and OU. If were playing the transitive property game, Texas destroyed West Virginia in one of their final games of the year while A&M won a hard fought victory against WVU in their final game. Texas played an improved version of the Arkansas team that A&M played. Arkansas played their best football to close out the year beating 2 top 5 teams by a combined score of 47-0 in the final weeks of the regular season.

If were being intellectually honest both coaches still have a ton to prove and there isnt enough evidence to pass judgement on either to this point. Strong has the better resume when looking at previous coaching jobs, Sumlin had a very successful 1st year at his current school.

Both coaches are recruiting well but havent had a chance to get that talent the experience necessary to compete at the highest level. Year 4 for Sumlin will really be the first opportunity for him to do so with his own players. In year 1 Strong had to completely purge his program in order to begin to lay the foundations of what he wants in a football team. There isn't a coach in America who would have had much success with what Strong was working with at QB and on the OL in year 1. It probably wont be until year 3 until there is the depth of talent in place by which any true judgement on Strong can be passed.

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http://texags.com/forums/5/topics/1992925/1

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I remember there being quite a bit of Charlie love.

Kevin Sumlin is 28-11 in the best division of the best conference in football. Chuck Strong is 6-7 in the 5th best conference. Not even close.