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Last season was full of coaching mistakes.

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Did you see the whorns this season? They couldn't manage a coin flip.

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They Ags finished 6th in their division, the Horns finished tied for 4th in the conference and neither team has a title in recent years.

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There is a bit of a difference in the overall strength of the conferences. The Ags beat one of the teams tied for fourth place in the bdf. The last place team in our division (who we beat) destroyed the whorns in what was essentially a home game for them.

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The SEC West was unquestionably the toughest division in cfb but the Big 12 isnt the cakewalk some on here say it is. Texas also faced a tough OOC schedule early and did so with a project QB thrown into his first meaningful action. A&M also received the benefit of 4 automatic OOC wins in playing Rice, SMU, Lamar, and Louisiana-Monroe.

Overall Texas improved over the course of the season, but only marginally on offense as limitations on that side of the ball held them back. A&M had an up and down year but went through a QB shake-up of their own and suffered from their own limitations on defense as well.

WVU finished 6th in the Big 12 due to head to head losses to UT and OU. If were playing the transitive property game, Texas destroyed West Virginia in one of their final games of the year while A&M won a hard fought victory against WVU in their final game. Texas played an improved version of the Arkansas team that A&M played. Arkansas played their best football to close out the year beating 2 top 5 teams by a combined score of 47-0 in the final weeks of the regular season.

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You played a UCLA team that looked like total garbage up until the last part of the season. Then got destroyed by an Arkansas team in your own back yard

Please.. go away

Yes, it is pretty well documented.

I am among them, SEc, 2 Natties, Blah blah

Thus I am being quiet on the current situation.

FWIW, Strong wrecked in the SEC for what he was known for. Defense and recruiting. HC still has yet to be determined. I don't count Louisville.

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Overall Texas improved over the course of the season.

If were playing the transitive property game, Texas destroyed West Virginia in one of their final games of the year while A&M won a hard fought victory against WVU in their final game. Texas played an improved version of the Arkansas team that A&M played. Arkansas played their best football to close out the year beating 2 top 5 teams by a combined score of 47-0 in the final weeks of the regular season.

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Texas improved over the course of the season? Really?? The last two games was improvement?

Texas destroyed WV at home by 17, yet A&M squeaked out a 8 pt win virtually on the road, while leading most of the 4th Qtr by 15...ok buddy.

And Arkansas beat 2 top 5 teams at the end of the year?? Which ones? You're really bad at this...

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Texas also faced a tough OOC schedule early and did so with a project QB thrown into his first meaningful action.

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And did horrible with that OOC schedule. Got absolutely trashed by BYU and lost to UCLA.

Whether A&M had trash OOC opponents or not, we had to switch between a true sophomore and true FRESHMEN QB about 2/3 into the season and still managed to finish 2 wins better than the whorns in a far tougher conference, including a bowl win.

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Arkansas played their best football to close out the year beating 2 top 5 teams by a combined score of 47-0 in the final weeks of the regular
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Not sure if serious or just stupid.

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Next stop for OP will be the WW2 veterans board to create a topic titled "Better world leader, Roosevelt or Hitler." You'll get equally fair and unbiased opinions there.

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Thanks man. Are you enjoying your time here on TexAgs? I'm sure it's not what you are accustom to compared to the shag, but we like it. After you guys get you face dragged across the pavement on NSD, I guess most of you will be leaving. It was nice of you to stop by though.

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Jesus Christ! First I'm called patch and now I'm a sip? This board has sucked since the Rivalries board crap spread throughout the site like cancer. I'm sorry, let me try again:

Obviously KDS is the better coach. Scatman Chollie Skrong has no business coaching anything beyond a junior high powder puff squad. Texas A&M is going to win the next 100 consecutive national championships and tu will eventually just collapse under the weight of all the sodomy.

Am I now retarded enough for this board?

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Let me guess. You have a shaved head and red boot strings?

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I don't know what this means.

Push right now.

You got all of this out of 12 posts in your career or is this just a sock?

Strong is not division 1 HC material. DC yes.

Even at 5'8" he is in over his head.

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Strong is not division 1 HC material. DC yes.

Even at 5'8" he is in over his head.

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This is exactly what I came away with after seeing his first season as the HC at t.u

Would make an excellent DC. Outside of that he's in over his head

Agreed. I think Strong would make a good coordinator, or even a great position coach.

Red McCombs will be proven prophetic regarding Scatman hire. The old man knows.

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WVU finished 6th in the Big 12 due to head to head losses to UT and OU.

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The big12 doesn't recognize head to head so wvu, tu, and ou all finished fourth.

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Texas destroyed West Virginia in one of their final games of the year while A&M won a hard fought victory against WVU in their final game.

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Did you even watch the games? tu beat wvu by 17 at dkkkr and A&M beat wvu by 8 at a neutral site. A&M had a 15 point lead with less than two minutes left.

Both A&M and tu beat wvu by more than a TD in different settings.

However, A&M did beat Arkie at a neutral site while tu got skull****ed at a neutral site by the same Arkie team.

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Overall Texas improved over the course of the season, but only marginally on offense as limitations on that side of the ball held them
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Getting blown out in your last two games does not equal improvement, especially if one of those losses is to a team that finished last in its division.

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Jesus Christ! First I'm called patch and now I'm a sip?

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Yes you are. You are another obsessed whorn sock posing as an Ag who popped just in the last week. Since all the usernames represent the same whorn loser burning through socks on an A&M messageboard, your MO is pretty easy to pick out.

Sumlin was handed lightning in a bottle by Sherman. JFF and Evans. It's gone downhill since then.
Strong was handed sh*t on a stick by Brown, and actually made some progress. He's proving to be a better recruiter too. Strong will take tu to a championship long before Sumlin sniffs one.

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Getting blown out in your last two games does not equal improvement, especially if one of those losses is to a team that finished last in its division and you had a month to prepare for.

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FIFY. And that is very important. A month for injuries to heal, get your players rested and freakin' game plan.

Yet, all they could muster was 59 yards in total offense. That was a failure in every aspect of coaching.

Having nine months to prepare for Notre Dame will tell all.

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Strong was handed sh*t on a stick by Brown, and actually made some progress.

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That charmless midget you call a HC had a better team on paper in terms of talent and experience this year than Sumlin did. His progress constituted giving tu one its worst records in nearly 20 years and getting blown out by 20+ points five times. He had one of the worst starts for any coach in tu history. How even a rot brained whorn like yourself can call that progress is amazing.

Why do I keep clicking on these idiotic threads?

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Strong was handed sh*t on a stick by Brown, and actually made some progress. He's proving to be a better recruiter too.

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Define progress. Is it taking an 8-5 Mack team and turning them into a 6-7 team?

And better recruiter? Based on losing the head to head battle with Sumlin by like 14-3?

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Sumlin was handed lightning in a bottle by Sherman. JFF and Evans. It's gone downhill since then.
Strong was handed sh*t on a stick by Brown, and actually made some progress. He's proving to be a better recruiter too. Strong will take tu to a championship long before Sumlin sniffs one.

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what a complete pile of crap.

Almost nothing in that whole ramble is even close to being accurate.

Do good coaches screw up simple things like teaching their players how to handle coinflips and official visits by not realizing on an unofficial visit you cannot buy the recruits food?

And, this was an ill conceived thread in retrospect. My point was looking at it through the way back time machine and thinking that the two coaches were close and the majority here might have preferred Strong.

And we were completely wrong.

You sips have been dragging your sorry ass excuses and false pride over to this board for over a week now because you think that you finally got something to go in your favor with Mack and Murray. Your egos are writing checks that the team isn't going to be able to cash. Any objective person can look at the two programs and pick the winner before Case has chance to unzip for a photo shoot. If it wasn't for legacy and mommas you sips wouldn't be getting anything above 2*s at this point. When you have to try to sell tickets and advertise that your top home games are TCU and K-State you are going to have a hell of a time filling that piece of crap you call a stadium. You can brag about core values and complain about Mack B. all you want, but that program is in deep **** right now. You are in denial if you think otherwise. Flipping a recruit or two here and there isn't going to fix it.

Not raping, stealing or beating the **** out of your girlfriend/wife are core values of everyone who isn't an animal.

**** you Charlie $trong for attempting to claim the moral high ground on basic civilized behavior that 99% of us follow as a matter of course.

And **** you again while you look the other way with certain boosters. You're not directly responsible for what's gone down but you were told and you're ok with it.

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There is a bit of a difference in the overall strength of the conferences. The Ags beat one of the teams tied for fourth place in the bdf. The last place team in our division (who we beat) destroyed the whorns in what was essentially a home game for them.

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The SEC West was unquestionably the toughest division in cfb but the Big 12 isnt the cakewalk some on here say it is. Texas also faced a tough OOC schedule early and did so with a project QB thrown into his first meaningful action. A&M also received the benefit of 4 automatic OOC wins in playing Rice, SMU, Lamar, and Louisiana-Monroe.

Overall Texas improved over the course of the season, but only marginally on offense as limitations on that side of the ball held them back. A&M had an up and down year but went through a QB shake-up of their own and suffered from their own limitations on defense as well.

WVU finished 6th in the Big 12 due to head to head losses to UT and OU. If were playing the transitive property game, Texas destroyed West Virginia in one of their final games of the year while A&M won a hard fought victory against WVU in their final game. Texas played an improved version of the Arkansas team that A&M played. Arkansas played their best football to close out the year beating 2 top 5 teams by a combined score of 47-0 in the final weeks of the regular season.

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You played a UCLA team that looked like total garbage up until the last part of the season. Then got destroyed by an Arkansas team in your own back yard

Please.. go away

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UCLA beat a 10-3 Arizona State by 40+ in their game immediately following their win against Texas. The Bruins were not "garbage" by any stretch of the imagination.

My point in stating that Texas had a tough OOC slate had nothing to do with the relative strength of UCLA however. The point was that simply stating that Texas went 6-7 in the Big 12 and Texas A&M went 8-5 in the SEC does not tell a full story and is a classic red herring fallacy.

A&M had a tougher conference slate and slightly tougher overall tougher schedule (#6 vs #14 sargarin) but those numbers are slightly skewed due to the top-heavy strength of A&M's 5 divisional opponents.

Neither team did well against their top opponents. Texas was 0-4 against teams that finished in the top 25 of the cfb playoff rankings, A&M was 1-5 with their lone win being gifted to them by two freak redzone fumbles in the closing minutes. Both teams played 9 teams that had a winning record and were ranked in the top of cfb. A&M had the better overall win on the season. But when Texas played a common opponent at a similar point in the season as A&M, Texas had a more convincing win.

The only real significant difference btwn Texas' and A&M's schedule was that Texas faced a tougher slate early in the season when they were still trying to find their footing under a brand new coaching staff and were reeling from losing their starting QB, and senior leaders on offense/defense, all by
game. By season's end the two teams were not that far apart in Strong's 1st and Sumlin's 3rd year.

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Overall Texas improved over the course of the season.

If were playing the transitive property game, Texas destroyed West Virginia in one of their final games of the year while A&M won a hard fought victory against WVU in their final game. Texas played an improved version of the Arkansas team that A&M played. Arkansas played their best football to close out the year beating 2 top 5 teams by a combined score of 47-0 in the final weeks of the regular season.

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Texas improved over the course of the season? Really?? The last two games was improvement?

Texas improved over the course of the season, the numbers bare it out as does any impartial observation in regards to how the team was playing earlier in the year. Granted they had a long ways to go and were hampered by circumstances on offense that could not be overcome but the point is valid in regards to Strong's coaching ability which is the subject of this thread. They played two teams at the endof the season who were playing at a very high level, arguably as well as anyone
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Texas destroyed WV at home by 17, yet A&M squeaked out a 8 pt win virtually on the road, while leading most of the 4th Qtr by 15...ok buddy.

You cant make qualifying statements such as "A&M led by 15 in the 4th quarter" and not do the same in regards to Texas. Texas dominated West Virginia and the score could have been far worse had they not taken their foot off of the gas in the 4th quarter. The game was never remotely in doubt while A&M's game against West Virginia was a back and forth affair. I only bring it up bc it is a common opponent played at similar points in the season. Many A&M fans want to act like Texas was abysmal in 2014 when in reality A&M and Texas were relatively equal teams (equally
disappointing) by the end of Strong's 1st year/Sumlin's 3rd year

And Arkansas beat 2 top 5 teams at the end of the year?? Which ones? You're really bad at this...

You're correct. For some reason I had it in my mind that Arkansas had shutout Mississippi State and Ole Miss in consecutive weeks. My mistake. What I should have said was that Arkansas played top 5 Mississippi State close, shut-out #17 LSU, and shut-out top 5 Ole Miss. The point is still the same. Texas faced a tougher version of Arkansas than A&M faced earlier in the year. Arkansas' defense was playing at a much higher level by years end and was shutting down even some of the better offenses in the country.

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Texas also faced a tough OOC schedule early and did so with a project QB thrown into his first meaningful action.

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And did horrible with that OOC schedule. Got absolutely trashed by BYU and lost to UCLA.

That is my point. Texas faced a tough slate early in the season. They played UCLA and a BYU (who hadn't yet lost their all-star QB to season ending injury) while Texas was trying to find their footing under a brand new coaching staff and reeling from losing their starting QB, and senior leaders on offense/ defense. They improved as the season went on...if they had the luxury of playing Lamar, Rice, and SMU in consecutive weeks early in the year their overall record would have been better

Whether A&M had trash OOC opponents or not, we had to switch between a true sophomore and true FRESHMEN QB about 2/3 into the season and still managed to finish 2 wins better than the whorns in a far tougher conference, including a bowl win.

I pointed that out. Just as Texas struggled early after losing their QB, A&M was nearly beat at home by the Louisianna-Monroe Warhawks. My point is not to necessarilysay Texas was a better team than Texas A&M. It is instead to counter over-the-top comments that imply that Strong was an abysmal failure in his first season and that A&M and Texas were miles apart at the end of the 2014 season. In reality Texas and Texas A&M were on relatively even planes by the end of Strong's first and Sumlin's third season despite Strong facing a number of limitating circumstances

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Strong is not division 1 HC material. DC yes.

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This is exactly what I came away with after seeing his first season as the HC at t.u

Would make an excellent DC. Outside of that he's in over his head

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Arkansas lost to Bama 14-13 the week after playing us...continue on with your fantasy that they were only good at the end of the year. Hard for you to comprehend, but the bottom of the SEC West is that much better than your mighty longhorns.

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I pointed that out. Just as Texas struggled early after losing their QB, A&M was nearly beat at home by the Louisianna-Monroe Warhawks. Neither coach has proved himself the superior to the other

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The only real difference is that Charlie Strong coached teams have reached a higher plane on offense, than Sumlin coached teams have
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Lil chuck's best offense was barely in the top 30 against aac competition with bridgewater. Do you really think that is a higher plane. And his OC and DC were both fired from their jobs the last time they were in the big12.

strong has a BCS win, beating a sec team

Sumlin?

UCLA lost Hundley on the first drive of the game & still beat your team in what was essentially a home game for the sips with a guy that will never start another game for the Bruins.

Hundley actually played against Arizona St, and up until that Arizona St game, the Bruins had looked terribly mediocre.

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Texas had the luxury of playing Kansas, Iowa St, Texas Tech and Okie St at the end of the year...IN CONFERENCE. Only reason you think Texas improved is because the schedule got weaker.

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I dont expect you to be objective but you're still missing my point as it relates to the timing circumstances that led to Texas' 6-7 season playing out the way it did. Texas made strides on offense and defense as the season went on, it wasnt momentous but it was evident and if you cant admit the what anyone's impartial eyes can see then that's on you. Strong is getting looks from elite recruits on both sides of the ball for a reason... I know, I know it must be $$$ and couldnt at all be related to his coaching record...

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Arkansas lost to Bama 14-13 the week after playing us...continue on with your fantasy that they were only good at the end of the year. Hard for you to comprehend, but the bottom of the SEC West is that much better than your mighty longhorns.

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Sumlin's beaten the national champion, blown out the Big 12 champion, and beaten several top 10 teams on the road.

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Texas made strides on offense and defense as the season went on, it wasnt momentous but it was evident and if you cant admit the what anyone's impartial eyes can see then that's on you.

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Did Texas' strides come against the likes of Tech, Kansas, Iowa State and Okie St, then disappear vs TCU and Arkansas? I think I may know why...