If he was butting heads with Sumlin then he had to go.

Hyman will have to go also if he butts heads with Sumlin.

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And you'd likely get a response that it's exempt from disclosure due to the personal nature of the request

Honestly, who cares. I'm sure he is a good man and all, but a trainer is easily replaceable. From reading his wife's Facebook, it sounds like they felt entitled to his position at A&M.

If he even so much as slightly annoyed Sumlin, then I'm glad they got rid of him.

so many cut-throat, internet tough guys out there

Weird how you never heard even a whisper of negativity or problem of any sort involving Karl Kapchinski through 4 or 5 other coaching staffs (both successful & unsuccessful) and another 4 or 5 other athletic directors (both successful & unsuccessful) over the course of 30+ years, and now all of the sudden he's become such a problem he must be fired with no explanation, no warning, and a 5 year ban in the middle of the season?

If thats your definition of "good business", "progress", or "a winning formula", i feel sorry for your current and future co-workers and/or employees.

It has nothing to do with being an internet tough guy. It likely has nothing to do with anything else you said. There is so little information available that all anyone is doing is speculating.

Facts are - he was fired, in the middle of the football season (which isn't really even that signdificant considering he was over all sports)

With that amount of information you can make up literally any fantasy story around it, won't change the fact that he was canned.

First Bled, since you've got all the facts here care to share what really went down?

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If he even so much as slightly annoyed Sumlin, then I'm glad they got rid of him.

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This.

Sumlin is the cash cow of the AD. He is the most important employee there. His recruiting shows he is ready to succeed after Manziel.

As long as he is not breaking the law, then he should be given wide leeway to do what he wants.

I doubt that this has anything to with his work as a trainer for our sports teams.

All I know is this dude woke up at 3 am to bring me some Imodium . Good man!

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and now all of the sudden he's become such a problem he must be fired with no explanation, no warning, and a 5 year ban in the middle of the season?

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Well, let's be honest here. They gave no warning or explanation to YOU. That's not saying there was no warning or explanation.

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5 Year ban?

Again can ANYBODY provide details of why this was so bad? Other than the fact that he simply doesn't have a job anymore?

I think most can agree that loyalty and amount of time of service to a company or organization should be "rewarded" with some amount of decency or allowing to retire on own terms or whatever.

But here's what it appears we "know". From the wife's Facebook page, they have known for a While that something was changing. That cuts directly against this 5 pm on Friday with no explanation. Original ag, tex mex or any other person that is actually Kap or supposedly close to the family care to discuss this inconsistency? You can't know something is changing since September 28th and then claim "sudden" on a Friday.

Did he really get a five year ban? If so, the fact that the actual "firing" occurred in middle of football season, as opposed to before school, Christmas break, or after school, lends some credence that there was a definite reason to fire him. That's speculation but not too far fetched.

So can any of you supposedly in the know that claim this was a travesty actually explain anything other than rabble rabble?

The speculation is that it is SOMETHING bad either on his part or A&M's because it's unusual. There is clearly more to the story than some guy getting fired. What did he DO to get fired is what everyone wants to know.

sawthemoff, i agree for sure about the limited information and the need for many people to generate whatever type of fantasy situation they would like. My problem is that so many are plenty arrogant enough to bash someone they have likely never met on the internet and say "who cares" as if his service and dedication to Texas A&M athletes (mainly football players) hasn't been instrumental in their health and success for decades. According to many posters, he deserves no respect for 30+ successful years of longer hours and harder work than many of them will ever understand, while Sumlin and Hyman deserve the utmost respect after 1+ years of dedication and success. Bit of a double standard. Thats what I find sad

The firing in the middle of football season does not matter. Do y'all know how many other sports there are? No matter when he was fired it would have been in the middle of one of their seasons.

First bled, it appears from your post that you know him and respect him

Take those tinted glasses off, and you'll see that most hate hyman on here and very few have expressed a "who cares" attitude.

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Good lord, people get fired every day, it's sad for him and his family but you don't have to act like he walks on water just because people are curious what happened.

Y'all are right, he did his job for 31 years, but he ain't done **** for us lately, sayonara babeeeee. Take a hike.

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This.

Sumlin is the cash cow of the AD. He is the most important employee there. His recruiting shows he is ready to succeed after Manziel.

As long as he is not breaking the law, then he should be given wide leeway to do what he wants.

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I don't know why this cat got fired, but in general, I'd disagree with the above without knowledge of what it was the trainer was annoyed about.

As far as I know, Sumlin, like most football coaches isn't trained in sports medicine nor qualified to make sports medicine decision.

The general rule most places, and I subscribe to it, is the coaches have to let sports medicine do their jobs.

Again, I don't know why this guy got canned so I'm not trying to stick up for him, but I'll stick up for trainers in general by saying they've got great and terrible jobs at the same time. They're asked to balance several very competing ideals- getting guys on the field now, keeping guys on the field over the long term.

Can you quote one post that is consistent with that terata?
Most on here, like best said, are simply wondering and pointing out that there is more to this story than what original ag and tex mex want us to believe, which is that he was treated like **** and fired abruptly with zero explanation at all.

The posters that know him personally should just go ahead and spill the beans. If not, then just shut up. You're not gonna convince anybody otherwise.

@fredunderscored - its just typical A&M management now. No real mystery.

fred, i dont personally care whether you decide to believe me or not but I can tell you this was not seen as "writing on the wall" by him in any way.

Before this season he was required to handle ALL administrative tasks for athletic training and sports medicine for ALL tamu sports (budgeting, drug testing, physicals, hiring/firing, certifications, etc. etc.) IN ADDITION TO serving as one of 3 staff athletic trainers covering all lifts, practices, treatments, rehab, and games for the football program.

He was informed at the beginning of this season that in order to focus more time and effort on his administrative duties, he would need to step away from his day to day involvement in the football program and a new athletic training staff member was hired to take over his former responsibilities in covering all football activities. (this is the facebook post from his wife that you have seen and honestly, if you had spoken to almost anyone involved with the football program, you would already know)

So, from the beginning of the season until this past friday at 5pm he was under the impression that he was being asked to focus more on his "assistant AD" role and less on his "athletic trainer" role, nothing more, nothing less. So yes, this did come as a complete shock to him, his family, his friends, and many others who know him.

and 8T2, whether you choose to believe it or not, the above statements are the reason it WAS without warning and unexpected.

Anita Kapchinski

Thx everyone, he is still Head AT over all sports, just not "hands on" with any particular team. Pushing papers.

September 28 at 2:51pm

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202082447641379&set=a.4143660348481.2179810.1192898190&type=1&theater

hmm.

Happens all the time in the corporate world. Decent people who do adequate work still get fired. Those that have been doing it a long time where the value ratio often gets out of whack are especially at risk.

It doesn't make this guy a screw-up nor does it mean A&M is evil. These types of decisions are made every day. It can be a bitter pill to swallow, but it's the business world we live in. Provide market value or be at risk.

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The firing in the middle of football season does not matter. Do y'all know how many other sports there are? No matter when he was fired it would have been in the middle of one of their seasons.

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I'm not sure how all of the calendars lineup just off the top of my head, but this has to be one of the busiest and hectic parts of the year.

I know football is in season, volleyball is in season, equestrian is in season, soccer is still playing, both basketball teams are starting up, the swimming and diving teams have started, cross country is still going, the track squads are about to ramp up...

A lot of stuff is going on, and with it being championship time of the year for a few sports, tournament time for basketball, etc..., it has to be one of those times that requires the most coordination. (Lots of roadtrips)

So, I don't think its a "doesn't matter when it happens" kind of thing. Sports generally follow the academic calendar, and summer time would probably be the ideal time to make changes. You may have a sport or two (baseball and softball) playing, but in general, teams are hanging around town and doing pretty routine workouts.

true statement danny

Thanks for trying to shed some light on it, first bled. (Not surprisingly, many aren't up on the news about trainers....you'll see that most on here are simply wanting more info, and the desire to know more doesn't equate to "who cares").

There are always two sides to any story like this. Most of the time, those doing the firing have legal restraints to keep them from commenting on dismissals. We are hearing only one side of the story at this time. There are probably many things that are not being told and unless you are Karl, you may not know the entire truth. I have seen too many situations where after the whole story comes out, you get the response of "but he was such a good guy, I can't believe he did..." Might not happen in this instance but again, unless you know all of the story, you might find out things you don't want to know.

no problem fred, just trying to get information out there

You're right Danny, just because you're good at what you do, do it well, have done it for a while, means nothing. We the management want someone else. Get the **** out you geezer mother****er.

You guys who are "in the know" need to get off your collective soapbox and give the rest of us the damn benefit of the doubt. You can't fault anyone for not knowing as much as you on this and wanting to uncover what's going on with limited info.

Quit lording your relationship with him over every one like some moral right of passage.

That said... This still isn't a big deal, I'm just sick of whiny people on here.

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My problem is that so many are plenty arrogant enough to bash someone they have likely never met on the internet and say "who cares" as if his service and dedication to Texas A&M athletes (mainly football players) hasn't been instrumental in their health and success for decades.

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The point is, there are tons of trainers out there that can do the same thing. If this guy was any kind of nuisance to Sumlin, he needed to go because Sumlin is more important than he is. We all have roles in life and this guy had an important one, but not nearly as important or specialized as those in charge.