I'd bet the over on 80% of people reading/posting in the thread wouldn't have even known this guy got fired if Kap/his friends or family (aka tex mex) didn't make the post. I'd bet the over on 95% not giving a **** had it not been for the other friends/family/kap himself posting about how horrible the Firing went.
And unfortunately for them, most signs seem to indicate that the firing was probably warranted/justified or not nearly as horrible as they're claiming.

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I'd bet the over on 80% of people reading/posting in the thread wouldn't have even known this guy got fired if Kap/his friends or family (aka tex mex) didn't make the post. I'd bet the over on 95% not giving a **** had it not been for the other friends/family/kap himself posting about how horrible the Firing went.
And unfortunately for them, most signs seem to indicate that the firing was probably warranted/justified or not nearly as horrible as they're claiming.

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Ding ding ding.

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Do you care enough to believe made up stories about it?

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Nope. Read my posts. We may have handled this perfectly. We may not have. While none of us have any absolute right to know, as an Aggie, I expect excellence from Texas A&M. The timing of this dismissal at least raise questions, and questions is most of this thread.

I just don't understand why snark has to be a part of a discussion.

It doesn't raise questions.

As was stated at least 200 times, you don't know if was a great employee. You don't know if he had been counseled repeatedly and put on some sort of improvement plan. You don't know if he walked out of a meeting Thursday after yelling "**** You!" to Hymen. You don't know if he was told a month ago that he was likely to get downsized, or let go, or ****canned. You don't know if he was fired with compassion, by letter, by text message, or by hearing about it on the news.

You're making up stories to allow yourself to occupy the moral high ground.

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The timing of this dismissal at least raise questions, and questions is most of this thread.

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Not to me it doesn't. The reason is because I am honest enough to admit that I know nothing about this dude, his job, the AD, and how this stuff should be handled. Therefore, I have 0 information to question.

Apparently, those are not impediments to you questioning things you know nothing about.

You only ask questions about things you know?

Seems like you could better use your time.

^ This guy being for real? You're acting like my 7 year old nephew

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As was stated at least 200 times, you don't know if was a great employee. You don't know if he had been counseled repeatedly and put on some sort of improvement plan. You don't know if he walked out of a meeting Thursday after yelling "**** You!" to Hymen. You don't know if he was told a month ago that he was likely to get downsized, or let go, or ****canned. You don't know if he was fired with compassion, by letter, by text message, or by hearing about it on the news.

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Yup. Agree with all of that and have stated so.

Indeed those are the very questions that are raised in my mind. I have no agenda, and assume no answers. The mere fact that it wasn't a "retirement" raises questions.(period) You have stated well what some of the answers to those questions may be. Or the answers could be totally different.

Well, actually, I only ask questions about things I give a damn about...or, about which I give a damn, whichever you prefer.

The real issue here is that some of you have an incredibly inflated sense of involvement with football/athletic department issues. If this was a chemistry professor with the same tenure and scenario, this thread would have died days ago. But because some of you believe the football program owes you an explanation for decisions (guess what- you can give money, but unless you're a top donor or employee they don't owe you jack), you're getting all worked up over something you have no idea about.

Move on with your lives, my friends. Have some freaking perspective.

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Untrue, at least for me. I would be very much concerned with that Chemistry prof. Perhaps moreso since how we treat folks when no one is looking is, perhaps, more important than how we treat them when it's a bit more visible, as for Dr. Loftin's "retirement".

How is this still a thread???

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I'd bet the over on 80% of people reading/posting in the thread wouldn't have even known this guy got fired if Kap/his friends or family (aka tex mex) didn't make the post. I'd bet the over on 95% not giving a **** had it not been for the other friends/family/kap himself posting about how horrible the Firing went.
And unfortunately for them, most signs seem to indicate that the firing was probably warranted/justified or not nearly as horrible as they're claiming.

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This.

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And unfortunately for them, most signs seem to indicate that the firing was probably warranted/justified or not nearly as horrible as they're claiming.

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That would be nice to know. Which signs, it's a long thread, I'm sure I missed them.

Interesting it's being lamented that "retirement" wasn't offered. How do you know? Since we have no information despite 14 pages of accusation & baseless speculation....

Another thought- was he eligible for retirement? A tenure of 32 years doesn't automatically make an employee eligible anywhere I've ever worked.

Look, I need to tell you guys exactly how much I care about this issue. Here goes.

Have to admit, I noticed him not out tending to Tra, thought it was odd....just saying.

The retirement option I'm referring to is telling a guy that he's going to be replaced, but out of deference to his years of employment, he can announce that he's "resigned" or "retired" or whatever. Like what RC was offered but turned down. And I've mentioned multiple times in this thread that for all we know he was offered just that.

So it's settled.

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Like what RC was offered but turned down.

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If he had "resigned" he would of cancelled his contract. Being fired, he and Wally shared an "office" and collected their money until the contact ended.

I don't blame R C or Wally for doing that.

A "resignation" agreement can be anything the parties agree to. I'm confident that dollars had nothing to do with in in RC's status being "fired" instead of "resigned".

Is there a five year ban or not?

I heard it's because he wouldn't bevel.

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A "resignation" agreement can be anything the parties agree to. I'm confident that dollars had nothing to do with in in RC's status being "fired" instead of "resigned".

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A friend was at a speaking event of RC's. He said that he was asked to resign, but responded "How could I do that? I've always told my players never to quit. How can I quit? You're going to have to fire me." (paraphrasing)

And that could be precisely what happened here.

And of course "retiring after 30 years" is hardly the same as "quitting". If a player completes a season and then decides not to play the next, is that "quitting". I don't think so, at least not in a negative nor irresponsible context.

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We have athletes across all sports in need of the type of support a training staff provides all year round. This guy isn't a football coach. I find nothing odd about the timing of his dismissal.

http://www.theeagle.com/news/local/article_7a672ed0-e871-5cf4-9135-83f1d85ee22b.html

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"The decision is based on your unacceptable job performance," Hyman wrote in Kapchinski's termination letter, which was approved by university President R. Bowen Loftin the morning of the firing.
The one-page letter states that Kapchinski is not eligible for rehire for the next five years.

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According to job reviews from May 2012 and June 2013, Kapchinski rated "exceeds expectation" or "exemplary" in all categories listed, which included quality of work, initiative, innovation, leadership, job knowledge, quality of work life and completing assigned work on time.
In the June evaluation, Kapchinski's supervisor, senior associate director of athletics Raymond Harrison, wrote that Karl's "attitude is to be on the cutting edge and provide the best support for our" student athletes.
Harrison went on to state that "one area of concern would be to ensure Karl ... be more available for all teams."

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Between July 10 and Sept. 16, Kapchinski had four meetings with Hyman or Harrison in which they brought up the same general concerns.
At each of the meetings, Kapchinski was reminded he needed to be available to all sports teams and was asked to meet with all head coaches before their seasons opened, which Kapchinski did not do, according to the personnel records.
He was also told to adhere to protocol when it came to supervising the drug testing program, specifically that he needed to call parents of student athletes who tested positive -- a standard Kapchinski did not abide by until Hyman insisted he do so, according to the records.

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Kapchinski was reprimanded during an Aug. 8 meeting for saying that he had advocated for a trainer's salary raise when he had not, and was told at more than one of the meetings with Hyman to stop attending football practice on a daily basis.
In his request to Loftin to terminate Kapchinski, Hyman wrote: "I no longer have confidence that Mr. Kapchinski will carry out his duties as assigned. He lacks the initiative to oversee this important program at the level required."

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Looks like this dude was not the hard working lifer that some have claimed. Seems like he just wanted to hang out at football practice instead of doing his job.

Oh well. A few more posts and we'll have this thread at 500!

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Looks like this dude was not the hard working lifer that some have claimed.

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1-one of most important positions on team

2-healed Manziel.

Seems to me that Hyman discovered he had a football groupie on his hands who wasn't doing everything required of him on the drug testing front (obviously a point of emphasis for Hyman) and was neglecting other sports.

TexMex and all his friends....what you say now?
I'm glad Hyman is willing to fire somebody for not doing their job.