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The day Texas actively seeks a dollar less than it can otherwise get, regardless of what anyone else is getting paid, will be the first.

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I agree completely. I just think that what Texas will get from the conference deal was already factored into this deal. They say they're happy with $15 million/year as part of the conference deal and us and OU have to fall in line. ESPN is now effectively just paying $5 million/year for the for the Texas rights (assuming the roughly $20 million/year that Texas, OU, and A&M were allegedly going to receive).

Really what leverage do any of the other nine teams have at this point?



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The only alarm bell this deal should ring for the Big XII is when ESPN bids on the four year cable TV contract this April. The Big XII can't afford to have ESPN be the winning bidder on the cable contract, because that would give Disney complete control over who appears on TV, and raise the possibility that they would manipulate TV windows so that they can get more than the expected single live football game per year on the Horns cable channel. As long as that is not the case, this deal is of no concern to the conference.

I still think that the numbers on this are somewhat sleight-of-hand. We're hearing from UT and ESPN how much is being paid under this contract, but what we're not hearing is how much will not be paid under the IMG contract now that those rights have been sublicensed to IMG. If the IMG contract with Texas goes to zero as a result of this deal, then it is exactly the $3-$4 million deal that everyone expected--an additional revenue stream, but not a flood of new money by any stretch.

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Given that the home team owns the media rights, I don't see that happening.

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This can change. There are nine other members of the Big 12. How will Texas react when all 9 vote to change league rules saying Texas has to share TV rights?

Hey, I applaud Texas leadership for doing this. It's a hell of a deal. But if they are going to treat this like a business, then they are going to have to accept that in the business world, there is competition.

If Texas wants to be the only one that gets a cush TV deal, they are going to have to do it as an independent. I don't see any other way this can resolve.

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The only alarm bell this deal should ring for the Big XII is when ESPN bids on the four year cable TV contract this April. The Big XII can't afford to have ESPN be the winning bidder on the cable contract, because that would give Disney complete control over who appears on TV, and raise the possibility that they would manipulate TV windows so that they can get more than the expected single live football game per year on the Horns cable channel. As long as that is not the case, this deal is of no concern to the conference.

I still think that the numbers on this are somewhat sleight-of-hand. We're hearing from UT and ESPN how much is being paid under this contract, but what we're not hearing is how much will not be paid under the IMG contract now that those rights have been sublicensed to IMG. If the IMG contract with Texas goes to zero as a result of this deal, then it is exactly the $3-$4 million deal that everyone expected--an additional revenue stream, but not a flood of new money by any stretch.

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You sure know a lot about the ins and outs of this deal....

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you are so dumb, gtfo

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I second this. He is the biggest ****ing troll on Texags

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This can change. There are nine other members of the Big 12. How will Texas react when all 9 vote to change league rules saying Texas has to share TV rights?

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We may go independent, or join another conference. This may actually be the best deal for ya'll so you can pursue that SEC invite, but for everyone else not named OU, it would be a death sentence, and they know that. That's why I don't think it will happen.

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If Texas wants to be the only one that gets a cush TV deal, they are going to have to do it as an independent. I don't see any other way this can resolve.

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I don't think so. This deal doesn't preclude an OU or an A&M network, or a Big12-3 network from happening.



Hook 'Em Horns

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I don't know why haustin6 hasn't been banned as a sip troll.

Like I have asked in other places....

haustin holds the same job in the whorn athletic department as Ragnar does in ours?

I think you guys are looking at this the wrong way. Sure it gives Texas more money but how does it affect A&M? That's what you should care about.

I think it solidifies the Big 12-2 conference for starters. With it's own network in place, Texas cannot jump to another conference because none of the other ones allow it. It also reinforces the fact that the Big 12-2 in a haven for similarly minded schools like Notre Dame for example. ND is going to have to join a conference at some point. The independent model just doesn't work. So where do they go? Not the Big 10 where they would not be able to maintain their own network.

Like it or not, Texas and it's "brand" is one of the major reasons the current conference tv contract gets you guys $20mil a year. Anything that increases that brand will help you in the next round of negotiating. The old "rising tides pulls up all boats" syndrome. And with Texas' help, the conference will be in a stronger position when that negotiation comes around because they can always have the threat to Fox, etc of going independent and letting ESPN pick up ALL their games.

Not to mention the recruiting edge you will get. Recruits in every sort, including track, swimming, etc will be able to be seen on tv in pretty much every race they run in college. But so will every other team they are playing against or racing against...including A&M. You will be getting a lot more exposure out of this also.

As far as the calls to jump to the SEC now, I don't get it. Take $20mil a year now plus the other potential benefits above or jump to the SEC and only get $17mil while facing tougher competition?

So in other words, being in the shadow of "big brother" isn't so bad? Well, I tend to agree though most on this board do not think the same way. Of course, they all laughed at me when I told them Sherm was a great coach as well...

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No. His job is to use his mouth as a c**k holster for Garret Gilbert's weinis

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Davey Crockett when to tu?

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Nah. UTSA.

Hook 'Em Horns

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I think it solidifies the Big 12-2 conference for starters.

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I think this depends a great deal on what tu does in the future. Do they use the threat of going independent to lord it over the other conference members and get more revenue for themselves? I am guessing that they will. If that happens, the Big XII will eventually collapse.

obvious sip troll. others have been banned way more quickly

So, athletes go to schools in order to get blown out on TV by another team that 'has a network deal'?

Nice recruiting line.

Recruiter: Hey, man, you can come play for our team because we will play Texas next year, but you will be on TV.

Athlete: We are a NAIA school? We will get beat by 150!!!

Recruiter: No worries, man. We will be on dat TV mane!!!

Well, do you think that your women's basketball teams or your track, golf, etc teams are going to get blown out by Texas? Those are the sports that will be televised that currently aren't.

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Well, do you think that your women's basketball teams or your track, golf, etc teams are going to get blown out by Texas? Those are the sports that will be televised that currently aren't.

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The Big 10+2 Network has yet to prove this. The Big 10+2 teams may get a boost, however, teams they play are not using the recruiting line, but we will play a team that will broadcast our game on the Big 10 network next year?

Cypress - your recruiting edge comment doesn't really fly. You mean the edge that every Big XII conference member gets equally, except for tu which has a 10x greater edge? If our greatest recruiting competition gets either the same edge or in tu's case a much greater edge, then how does that help?

haustin you can always with out a doubt say the stupidest chit.

I hate to say it, but I agree with Cypresshorn. Our leaders have chosen for us a path of subservience and no amount of b*tching is gonna give them the spine they weren't born with. Might as well accept it.

I mean, what are we gonna do? Boycott the channel? What if it ends up on every cable provider? We all are gonna switch to Hulu?

Sometimes you just have to look in mirror and realize the other guy won.

Who would have thought, years after TCU was left behind, that Aggies would one day look longingly at the situation that they have?

Sure Texas gets a greater edge. There's no doubt about that. Just saying that A&M is going to get increased exposure out of this on a national level over what you have now. That can only be good...even if you were losing all of those events which I don't see.

Texas is not the only school you guys are competing with for recruits and this will greatly increase your odds of signing a stud miler out of Tennessee, a great volleyball player out of California, etc.

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1st line = hilarity

The rest of it - I don't think y'all understand. Aggies want y'all to jump to another conference. Please give us more ammo to ease into the SEC.

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Who would have thought, years after TCU was left behind, that Aggies would one day look longingly at the situation that they have?

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You want to be in the Big East making $1.5MM in football TV revenue each year?

Hook 'Em Horns

Hellraiser97

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Texas is not the only school you guys are competing with for recruits and this will greatly increase your odds of signing a stud miler out of Tennessee, a great volleyball player out of California, etc.

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Translation:

Now that this network will ensure that us Whorns never have to endure a worse recruiting class than the Aggies, yall now get to save a lot of free time worrying about ever being the top team in the state again and start worrying about how to be a respectable second-class power like Tenn or Cal (notice the sip didn't say Bama or USC).

To the question of how is ESPN going to make money off this, a post on Raiderpower actually nailed it pretty good.

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Here are some quick and dirty numbers just to illustrate why ESPN would be willing to do this. If ESPN backs the deal they can pretty much strong arm the network on all the cable TV's in Texas. So 28M people boils down to about 8M television households. 80% have some form of cable. 6.4M households being charged $0.30 is still $23M annually for ESPN.

As long as advertising covers the day to day operations of production and generating content ESPN is still looking at a 10M profit annually off of this. They are looking at a min floor of $0.20 to make the deal work which is easily attainable just due to ESPN's strong market presence.

This deal makes sense regardless if UT is going independent or not. This is just another cash cow for ESPN and allows them to further use their leverage to help push not only this startup network but see if the template will work as a smaller scale for other similar ventures.

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Hellraiser97

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Actually, if the Longhorn Network begins airing Texas high school sporting events, suddenly every college in the country will be able to see Texas athletes competing on a regular basis and the likelihood of those athletes going to school out of state will increase. Texas always gets theirs, but the Aggies may have to roll up their sleeves and get ready to do some heavy lifting in the area of recruiting. Just being in Texas may not be the gift it once was.

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Here are some quick and dirty numbers just to illustrate why ESPN would be willing to do this. If ESPN backs the deal they can pretty much strong arm the network on all the cable TV's in Texas. So 28M people boils down to about 8M television households. 80% have some form of cable. 6.4M households being charged $0.30 is still $23M annually for ESPN.

As long as advertising covers the day to day operations of production and generating content ESPN is still looking at a 10M profit annually off of this. They are looking at a min floor of $0.20 to make the deal work which is easily attainable just due to ESPN's strong market presence.

This deal makes sense regardless if UT is going independent or not. This is just another cash cow for ESPN and allows them to further use their leverage to help push not only this startup network but see if the template will work as a smaller scale for other similar ventures.

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That's what I was alluding to in my post on a higher level. It's going to be another basic cable channel that no one ever watches but somehow manages to stay on air.

Oh... who am I kidding. Watching us play the whorns on the whorn network (this is the key, not on the Aggie network.....) will certainly make Jenny from the Block in Philly want to come to College Station.

Derrr!!!

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Like it or not, Texas and it's "brand" is one of the major reasons the current conference tv contract gets you guys $20mil a year. Anything that increases that brand will help you in the next round of negotiating. The old "rising tides pulls up all boats" syndrome. And with Texas' help, the conference will be in a stronger position when that negotiation comes around because they can always have the threat to Fox, etc of going independent and letting ESPN pick up ALL their games.

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tu's ego and arrogance. Once again, just because people wear burnt orange does not mean they "follow" tu. Nebraska and Colorado were the smart ones. tu has effectively taken over the Big 12. They have done nothing to "strengthen" the Big 12. By y'all's greediness, the Big 12 was all but dissolved in the first place. Because A&M wouldn't line up and follow tu to the Pac-10 was the only reason the Big 12 stayed together.

This new tu network is going to have low ratings on a regular basis. But since it's going to be included on the basic cable packages, it's going to float.

Hey, any publicity beats no publicity. The horns only have so many scholarships available.

I'm so glad haustin6 has No impact in our decision making.

The gloves have come off as far as I'm concerned. Hell, they should have come off last year.

Whats's next. tu puts the NCAA on notice that they are now giving 184 football scholarships -too bad.

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No, but it would be nice if we were in control of our destiny.

If we could join a new conference with as little pain as they did, without the Texas legislature having to discuss it.

If we could be the only Texas team in our conference, rather than being (at best) the third best Texas team (because without Texas OU sucks) in our conference.

If we could be the underdog, rather than being the house slave.

If we could grow our program on our own merits instead of the merits of others.

A&M has beaten tu 3 out of the last 5 years, but ask any Texan not affiliated with the two and they will tell you "Texas is the WAY better program." Why? Because a hundred years of Aggie jokes and 20 years of slick sip marketing efforts have premaritally painted us as "Number 2."

TCU doesn't have to deal with that sh*t.

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Sorry for the ignorance but why would this horn network be on a basic cable package? I would have thought this is an option that you pay for like espn full court, redzone, gameplan, etc.

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Not to mention the recruiting edge you will get. Recruits in every sort, including track, swimming, etc will be able to be seen on tv in pretty much every race they run in college. But so will every other team they are playing against or racing against...including A&M. You will be getting a lot more exposure out of this also.

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If it is not on a basic cable package I am certainly not going to purchase the horn network to watch my team compete in one or two events. That makes no sense. Nor could I imagine recruits buying this package unless they are committing to tu, so not sure how this helps A&M in the "more exposure" category.