Time to clean out the cupboard!!!

EightiesBear

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anyone else have to google "werner von braun"???

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You're joking......aren't you?

wasn't joking. It is funny, though, considering my username

Somos,
I hope your foreshadowing isn't true... but, we are the same school that ran-off Stallings and Bellard.

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anyone else have to google "werner von braun"???

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You must have ignored the acting credits on "Hogan's Heroes". Everybody knows "werner von braun" played Colonel Klink...

good to hear! i hope the OP is right

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Time to clean out the cupboard!!!

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You're joking right? I thought it was bare already.

New coaches job is to get the kids on board. Look at Stoops, Saben, Urban Meyer. Did those coachs go around telling the upperclassmen to take a hike when they came to there respective schools?

we might be cutting off our nose to spite our face here

I just want a new middle linebacker. One that will actually attack the line of scrimmage and show a little effort would be nice.

Some players will be grayshirts as well. They are essentially walk-ons with a gauranteed scholarship at mid-term. Aaron Arterburn is rumored to be one. I believe they will count against next year's class though so we may be very limited next season.

By the way, upperclassmen are not the only ones being rumored to be on the way out. Some of the younger players recruited by Fran seem like just as likely a candidates.

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AgFan08
posted 8:48p, 12/08/08



I just want a new middle linebacker. One that will actually attack the line of scrimmage and show a little effort would be nice.

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You're joking right? I thought it was bare already.

New coaches job is to get the kids on board. Look at Stoops, Saben, Urban Meyer. Did those coachs go around telling the upperclassmen to take a hike when they came to there respective schools?

we might be cutting off our nose to spite our face here

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Whoop! Sherman is running off a bunch of our players. This will give us another great EXCUSE when we suck next year.

News Flash: We weren't HORRIBLE the year before Sherman got here. We actually went to a respectable bowl and almost won.

It doesn't have to be this way. This approach will push us back and delay any potential success we might have. This isn't the approach that Houston Nutt took (1st yr coach at Ole Miss who was 3-9 LY and in the Cotton Bowl this year). And it's not the approach that Leach took (bowl every year including the initial rebuilding years).

Rarely does one of these mass exodus deals result in a successful coaching tenure. This will also result in more time that BB will feed us his "Sherman needs time, players, etc" lines, since we'll be starting over from scratch again, as far as bringing in and developing talent.

BCG didn't lose any players, and he was definitely harder on our players than Melvin was, mentally and physically.

I would have liked to have seen the losing mentality plaguing our program cured without having to run off players, but if that's what it takes, so be it.

Not to make a comparison between coaches, but Saban did something very similar last year.

Alabama had a lot of guys on the team who weren't interested in buying into the new program (especially a number of seniors), they were weeded out of the program. Team chemistry was abysmal last year and player arrests were out of control. During the summer, Saban went so far as to hire a guy to come out and council / motivate the team.

This year, arrests were down or non existent, and team chemistry was great (at least publicly).

Anyway, maybe the "interviews" are what we need.

[This message has been edited by flakrat (edited 12/8/2008 9:04p).]

I'm definitely not a pro-Sherman guy, but I like the move.

I think some of you guys are acting like he is running off good players - I doubt that is the case - I'm guessing guys that are leaving are guys that either aren't playing or that aren't willing to put in the time to get better and lets face it - there isn't a player on our roster that we can allow to just stay at the level they're at right now - the only ones you could even argue that for are NOT guys I would expect to hear are that type of player.

Again, I am very AGAINST Sherman as far as performance, but this seems like a good thing - sure you want them to buy in, but if they won't, get em out of there. Don't let them hang around if they're not going to be part of the solution.

I think it is a good move but I think he should have made it earlier than after year 1. He should have pulled guys aside last spring who were half-assing it. Maybe it just started towards the end of the year but it just sounds a little strange to me. Did Saban do this after the season last year?

I agree bleed green, but my thinking is he probably saw how much we would need anyone that could play. I think at this point he sees that they don't make enough difference to keep around.

Either way, I just don't see how people are using this as a reason to trash him - guys that don't want to be here aren't going to be productive - ESPECIALLY when we're doing as bad as we are.

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Rarely does one of these mass exodus deals result in a successful coaching tenure.

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bingo...

I hope I'm wrong but this ride on Sherman's "boat" might be alot shorter than we thought it was going to be. Running off players is not a good sign.

While it may be a good thing for the program, I don't think it will buy Sherman any time.

People think just because we waited with fran, we are going to do so with Sherman.

In fact I think the opposite is true.

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Running off players is not a good sign.

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This happens everywhere with a new coach. This stuff is usually not highly publicized, so you never hear about it at other schools. And the players the he would be "running off" sound like guys that are not wanting to put their max effort into the team and doing what it takes to make the team better. So if this is the case, then "running off" some players will be beneficial than harmful.

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It doesn't have to be this way. This approach will push us back and delay any potential success we might have. This isn't the approach that Houston Nutt took (1st yr coach at Ole Miss who was 3-9 LY and in the Cotton Bowl this year). And it's not the approach that Leach took (bowl every year including the initial rebuilding years).

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How do you know this? Maybe Nutt and Leach got rid of some kids, you really have no idea. You are just making a statement that you can't prove just so you can keep up hope that Sherman will fail.

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He is trying to change the losing attitude around here, why are you so against that?

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+1

And I suppose you are a football genius burp minus the u.

you cant win on this board. sherman tries to get rid of dead weight and gets ass pounded by the peanut gallery. im willing to bet the majority here have never played organized football. hell, coached peewee or anyone other than your daughters in softball. but i guess thats the good thing about the message boards...no matter what happens in reality, the no experience ass clown always know best!


[This message has been edited by jeepwranglin01 (edited 12/8/2008 10:12p).]

We're trying to get some good wood in here and you guys keep pounding Sherman in the ass! Ridiculous.

Why would top recruits want to go to a school where the coach is running off players? Does the top Engineering talent go looking for the companies that are laying off because they are getting rid of the dead wood? No, they do not.

I think it's a good thing, and NOT that unusual. I can think of several, who have NEVER contributed, and some scholly players were even left OFF the 105 list to start Aug 2 a days.

I want to know, when are we going to start having talks with certain members of this board and "trim the fat" on here


/kidding, i love you all

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We're trying to get some good wood in here and you guys keep pounding Sherman in the ass! Ridiculous.

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I'm not sure what any of that means but it's classic.

No one is pounding anyone. We are wondering why you would run off players rather than getting them to buy into they system.

Pounding Sherm would be saying: maybe if they didn't go 4-8 with losses to Ark State and Baylor they would have a little more faith in the system. Focus on your scheme rather than throwing kids under the bus for a failure of a season. IS IT 2014 YET?



[This message has been edited by pv (edited 12/8/2008 11:03p).]

Most are seniors, but there a few that are as young as sophomores talking.

I am firmly behind this cleaning of house by Sherman if the "rumor" turns out to be true...could definitely cut 4-5 guys on offense and a couple on defense. I just dont want to see an internal meltdown like what happened to Kragthorpe up at Louisville where almost 20 players quit, transferred or had their scholarships dropped.

Any for any that care (and I am sure alot of recruits & their families do), high attrition will hurt our graduation rate.

Why is running off poor players, team dividers, and poor attitudes a bad idea?

This is an everyday real life fact. In business and in academics, poor performers are released. If you cannot pull your weight, you will not stay.

Today's athletes have been pampered and catered to so much they think they are entitled and owed just about everything. Long gone is the standard to produce or go home.

I do not care if we play all Fish and Sophs for several years as long as the 11 on the field will hit people and play hard, be aggressive, and play with an attitude of "we refuse to lose!".

This is the exact thing Sherman discussed at our dinner together. When I asked him what his day to day was right now he said he is sitting down with each player on the team 1 by 1 for about 15 to 30 minutes to discuss their role on the team and whether they were a part of the next team. Look here is the deal based on what he said and how he said it. It does not really matter who transfers or goes pro because they arent worth having (for the most part) and regardless of who guts it out or jumps on the Sherman boat he is going to do one thing and one thing only...play HIS players. Next year look to see a Sherman recruited player on the field whenever one is available. And beleive me, he isnt doing it thinking "take our hits now to get good later"..the man is gonna do it and expects to win and win now with them. I like his thinking. I think speed desire and coachability is far better than strength (bulkiness and slowness) stubborness and well...being used to losing.

I would rather see coach Sherman do the cleaning but without the advertising. Good coaches are recognized by everyone when their teams perform well, other coaches need to abuse the media to promote themselves and to spin poor results. I believe the "Junction" situation wasn't advertised by coach Bryant ahead of time, he just went ahead and did what he thought had to be done. I hope that coach Sherman quits trying to get sympathy from the media and just does what it takes to put a good team on the field next season.

[This message has been edited by Calambre (edited 12/8/2008 11:21p).]

These interviews, if they are having the impact described here, could be like what Bear did in Junction getting rid of the players who don't want to perform and don't want to give it their all. I am all for cutting scholarships. It is a clear signal that if you don't perform you aren't going to be here. It breeds competition, fosters a fighting spirit, and ensures that players do not become complacent.

Aggie baseball after RC's first year did the same thing followed by marked improvement in the second year.

The team needs significant changes and I for one support this move by Sherman. It will pay dividends.

KEEP YOUR ENEMIES CLOSER!!