every single kid that signs a scholarship knows that they are for one year and renewable for up to 5 years.......Not "honoring" a scholarship is not un-honorable (is that a word)....it's part of the entire process and EVERY school does it. Part of keeping your scholarship is contributing to the team......if after 3 years or so, you aren't contributing, you don't get to continue to get free tuition, fees, books, rent, food, clothes, etc........Now, if you have done everything right as in good grades, stayed out of trouble, etc. and you just didn't develop into a Div I football player and you want to get your degree from A&M, then often they will put you on medical hardship, which means the Athletic Department will still pay for your education but you won't count against the 85 limit.

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if we are last in the big 12 south how much worse could it get?

colorado and iowa state losses too...

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this is a very legit rumor.

i have about 5 friends on the team who are actively thinking about transferring.

I think we need to see signifcant attrition.

And, there is very little, if any, downside with it.

Why, Token??

Like I said, there are going to have to be about 5-10 that transfer, but I wouldn't be shocked if even more do. Sherman was different than Fran in that he tried to keep most of the players on the team rather than just completely tank teh first season and get rid of a ton of players your first semester like Fran did. Well Sherman saw that blow up in his face this year, so this semester will probably be similar to Fran's first year in terms of retention. Basically, Sherman needs to get rid of all the leaches that were 'Fran's' guys that don't want to bust their butt b/c they are used to the Fran way......We'll see a bunch of attrition from upper classmen I expect.

More like, who, Token?

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i was going to write a huge post on this tomorrow, but this guy beat me to it.

Most of them are telling me that sherman said they don't share his attitude. One of these players told me last week that he's fed up with his little PT (playing time) in practice and not getting 100 percent from the coaching staff

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i am not going to mention names

positions? are most upperclassmen?

kind of reminds me of bear bryant and junction. only alot less instense

they arent all upperclassmen, and im not going to mention positions or what side of the ball they play on

i have to go, but tomorrow i'll put this all into my big post

i am not saying they will transfer, but to those who i have talked to, they said they are really thinking about it.

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What I've seen in the first year with a new coach, the coaches will give the majority of the reps in practice to those that are working their butts of and are going hard all the time. Usually the ones that aren't getting the reps in practice are the ones that are lolly-gagging and acting like they really don't have to practice.

dc speaks truth.

later gators

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These "interviews" are part of the process every year and ag2003 is right. These aren't automatic deals. Its like a job review each year. I had a friend that told me of his back the first year Jackie was there and he was very nervous about it. He came through ok but just knowing if you don't, you can get it pulled, is pretty nerve racking. This is why I've always said this year to give this guy a chance because he'll identify the bugs in the system and get rid of them. Sherman will mold this team in time. He'll replace bad attitudes with good ones and now that his feet are on the ground, we'll begin to see some major changes. This interview time couldn't get here early enough for me.

Well if some of you are so well tied, which I call BS on 99% of it after reading what you post, ask them about how Fran let them have the keys to the kingdom and how a football coach comes in is wrong to ask them to be accountable 100% for their scholarship? If they respond with anything other than yeah that is stupid, tell them to get the hell off your Aggie football team.

This is all a bunch of BS. Why TexAgs lets this BS filth stay up I have no idea. What a destructive thing for a program this site is. Ever think our troubles are in part due to BS like this?

Oh come on - a new coach who needs to light a spark under the team - not surprising to hear about transfers - it isn't undermining anything.

Question for those that do know people thinking about it - what are the main reasons they site? Is it mostly lack of PT or lack of hope for future PT or is it the way the coaching staff relates to them or personal feelings?

Just curious what is being said that is making them feel strongly about it now versus earlier in the year (they may have felt it then too, I suppose)

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anyone else have to google "werner von braun"???

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To answer your question, no I did not have to...but that is only because I have seen "October Sky" about 20 times.

However I think it is very ironic that was your question after seeing your screen name!!!

Why is it BS to discuss the personell of the Aggie football team. These kids are getting paid to play, if you don't believe me look at the value placed on their scholarships and addtional funding. If an individual player is not willing to conform to the new coach, and give everything he can to the success of the program, then there is no reason for him to be on the team.

You have a boss at your job, if he gets fired and they bring in someone new, he will be your new boss and expectations will change. You can be one who steps up and helps, or you can be the one that bi---s and not be long for the company as well.

Like any good "new boss" Sherman took his time in evaluating his new employee's and giving them a chance to conform. Now the honeymoon is over and it's time for him to put his team together.

kdub....I knew it for the same reason.

please not Bradley Stephens, please not Bradley Stephens, please not Bradley Stephens, please not Bradley Stephens.

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I understand why you're skeptical, since there's zero proof of anything, but I have a pretty hard time believing that the team's struggles on the field are even remotely due to rumors/speculation on TexAgs.

heard from a pretty reliable source, Stephens isn't going anywhere. He is a great young man and a great representative for A&M.

Well... bye.

Good. We're going to need guys like him in the future.

After that, the only guy that comes to mind is Kenny Brown, who I think has been largely wasted during his time here. I think the guy could be a great safety for us. From the little I've seen of him he's really brought the wood.

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I don't buy the rotten wood theory either. We got the same song and dance from Francis. "Ahhh! We just gotta get rid of the non hackers who don't have what it takes and the attitude problems dividing the locker room and the guys who aren't buying in! Then we'll be rid of the dead weight and we'll win by god!" Riiiight. You guys can buy into this PR parlor trick if y'all want to. As far as I'm concerned it just amounts to re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic if the guy at the top is lost and ramming icebergs, which is the case at A&M.

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Just because Fran was a bust doesn't mean that every single thing he did was wrong. Rob Childress also did this. He thought that a lot of the guys were cocky, arrogant, and weren't backing it up on the field. So he cut a ton of guys, brought in a bunch of Jucos, and overachieved like crazy. A team that was supposed to finish 5th or 6th in the big 12 won the tourney and made it to a super regional.

I'm completely onboard with this. If you watched the D play all year, most of them had no fire which is why Hunter was so popular. He didn't stand in place and try to arm tackle. He went after people! So let's get the people on the field that are going to play their hearts out. That's how we're going to win games.

I have a weird feeling that Sherman is actually going to do this program a favor long-term in getting out the crap.

However, I also a feeling he won't be around when his efforts bear fruit 3-4 years down the road.

Once we lost to Arkansas State, all Aggies new it was going to be a bad year. I don't think Sherman really had to spell it out for us or the media.

attrition is always gonna happen when a new staff comes in. Very little occurred last year. I expect to see quite a few leave this year.

From Sherm's press conference last Friday, he seemed like he was trying to break the "losing is OK as long as I get my stats" attitude that was/is the cancer of the team.

Should be an interesting off-season, personnel-wise.

If I am not mistaken, these players are Aggies. I am not for running anyone off. And, we really don't have that many "upper classmen". Coach 'em up, and recruit new players. If Sherman runs off Aggies, and proves ultimately to be the problem hisself, he should ride out tied under the bus. Good luck coach.

What would a knothead from Buckhorn know about CFB?

I'm not for running guys off, but if Sherman is setting a high standard for what is expected and it has rubbed them the wrong way, then I'm fine with that.

I don't think anyone giving 100% effort should be run off, but I have a hard time believing that is the case. There are plenty of examples of guys that appeared to be starting for effort and not necessarily ability, and I doubt Sherman would change and start running people off.

I do think that there are probably quite a few guys who are being told that certain types of behavior on and off the field won't be tolerated and that may not be news they care to entertain.

If that is the situation, we're better off, regardless of who it is.

I don't think anyone has said that Sherman is interseted in running off Aggies. If a player is not dedicated to Aggie football and making it the greatest it can be, then he is not truly an Ag and shouldn't be on the team. If the kid has heart and his goals are that of the teams then I am sure that Sherman will "coach him up" and continue to recruit.

Time to clean out the cupboard!!!

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