Ryan the Temp said:

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Talked with the doc about Mounjaro today and he will prescribe. Turns out my insurance won't cover Ozempic for off-label use. My A1C is likely going to come back as pre-diabetic, so he can justify it as medically necessary.

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Ryan the Temp said:

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I'm former military. Eating slowly isn't something I've done since 1996.

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Diggity said:

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I probably sound like a shill at this point, but this would be a great starting point for him,

As you already alluded to...it's mainly about diet at this point. Weight training and cardio will be helpful, but until he gets his diet/portion control in line, none of that is going to move the needle.

https://www.amazon.com/Bigger-Leaner-Stronger-Building-Ultimate-ebook/dp/B006XF5BTG


this was roughly 75 lbs ago

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Buck Compton said:

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TXTransplant said:

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For those of you guys trying to lose a lot of weight (50+ lbs), any tips on how I can be more supportive of my BF?

He's 6'4" and 300+. Battled weight his whole life. When we started dating just over a year ago, I was shredding. He adopted some of my eating habits (high protein, low-ish carbs and fat) but hasn't quite stuck with it like I have.

We are back on the wagon this month (I feel like alcohol is THE biggest derailer of any healthy habits).

I eat pretty healthy/clean, and he eats with me a lot, but not every night.

We've talked about the shots, but he isn't even pre-diabetic, and he really wants to do this on his own (although, I'm tempted to encourage him to try it).

Any other suggestions? He does work out pretty regularly, so he's not sedentary.

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Firsf off, he had to be the driver of wanting to cut weight. If he's decided he wants to and it's truly a goal, then the rest is all about the type of person he is and your relationship and communication style. For me, it helps more if my wife is just blunt if I start to fix a drink or eat some dessert I really don't need. Then it's also good to just get rid of anything that isn't on the plan to stop the temptation. For my wife that meant giving up some snacks and foods that she enjoys.

If he's an analytical guy, then just doing the math on some of his bad habits may do the trick. The little things sneak up on you. You mentioned alcohol. One 12 oz. IPA per night for an entire year replaced with unsweetened tea or a sparkling water or something with zero calories is like 70,000 calories/20 pounds in a year. Make drinking, dessert, etc. the exception.

It may also help for him to just write down everything he eats for a week or two, even if he isn't tracking calories for all of it. Pretty eye opening when you do this, especially if he's a snacker or grazer by nature.

That being said, I'd also get a doctor to check everything out that may be hampering him (thyroid, etc.) I don't know how much fat he had to lose, but if he's active in weights and cardio 4-5x per week, then he's gotta be eating a TON to maintain that weight if there isn't some underlying health driver really slowing his metabolism. If he's that regular with working out he's likely having to eat 3500-4000 calories just to stay at his weight.

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StringerBell said:

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the one thing ive found too is consistency is everything

so like if i eat good on one day, say 2500 calories and feel great and then next day oops i go grab a couple of beers and bump up to 4000, then the next day back down to 2000, and then the next at 3000 and my goal is to only eat 2500 a day ive averaged 3000 over the course of four days.

measuring my food out and what not made me realize how much i was overeating even when i thought i was doing good.

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Bunk Moreland said:

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I was as high as 330, got as low as 260 in one year after that. It's purely decision making and behavior changing.

I am much more aware of my own decisions even when I'm making bad ones at my weight now than I used to be when I'd just mentally come up with an excuse as to why I'm eating the way I am and do the usual "monday I'll start."

Keto helped a lot because I was able to enjoy foods I really like with the diet so I didnt' care as much that I was losing out on other foods I liked (basically everything with carbs).

The final thing is talking openly with friends and family. Don't be ashamed, don't try to do it on your own. You don't need cheerleaders rooting you on every day on instagram photos, but the more people close to him he tells he is going to change his habits and start losing weight, the easier it will be for him to stay motivated to actually do it.

But nothing will change until he simply has had enough. That took me a long time to understand. And for the last 4-5 months of 2022 I had a lot of good going on in my life so I fell back into "content" at 255-265 when in actuality i'm not content at all. I want to be under 220, period.

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TXTransplant said:

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Diggity said:

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I probably sound like a shill at this point, but this would be a great starting point for him,

As you already alluded to...it's mainly about diet at this point. Weight training and cardio will be helpful, but until he gets his diet/portion control in line, none of that is going to move the needle.

https://www.amazon.com/Bigger-Leaner-Stronger-Building-Ultimate-ebook/dp/B006XF5BTG


this was roughly 75 lbs ago

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I was just on Amazon looking at that book after seeing your previous post. I'm going to see if I can convince him to listen to the audiobook (I don't think actual reading is an option right now, for a lot of different reasons).

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Bunk Moreland said:

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I have a crazy schedule too, and there was some weird mojo/confidence I gained once I was able to stay dedicated to keto even with the craziness of my work and life. Once the results were showing up and I was able to not get lazy and go eat **** food because I was in a hurry, I almost began to look forward to my stomach begging me for food but knowing I wouldn't be able to get home and cook a steak until later, etc. He'll feed off that if he starts seeing results.

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TXTransplant said:

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He's 53. Given his size, he's got pretty modest goals for now. He just can't seem to generate enough activation energy to get the reaction going.

I'm high protein, so when he eats with me, that's the focus.

Despite his size, he's actually pretty mobile and active. But he tried to waterski this past summer, and well, it didn't go as he expected. And then there are challenges with just being big. Some of that won't change, because even if he loses weight, he is still going to be a big guy, but I know he wants to shed some of the excess weight.

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Buck Compton said:

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TXTransplant said:

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For those of you guys trying to lose a lot of weight (50+ lbs), any tips on how I can be more supportive of my BF?

He's 6'4" and 300+. Battled weight his whole life. When we started dating just over a year ago, I was shredding. He adopted some of my eating habits (high protein, low-ish carbs and fat) but hasn't quite stuck with it like I have.

We are back on the wagon this month (I feel like alcohol is THE biggest derailer of any healthy habits).

I eat pretty healthy/clean, and he eats with me a lot, but not every night.

We've talked about the shots, but he isn't even pre-diabetic, and he really wants to do this on his own (although, I'm tempted to encourage him to try it).

Any other suggestions? He does work out pretty regularly, so he's not sedentary.

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Firsf off, he had to be the driver of wanting to cut weight. If he's decided he wants to and it's truly a goal, then the rest is all about the type of person he is and your relationship and communication style. For me, it helps more if my wife is just blunt if I start to fix a drink or eat some dessert I really don't need. Then it's also good to just get rid of anything that isn't on the plan to stop the temptation. For my wife that meant giving up some snacks and foods that she enjoys.

If he's an analytical guy, then just doing the math on some of his bad habits may do the trick. The little things sneak up on you. You mentioned alcohol. One 12 oz. IPA per night for an entire year replaced with unsweetened tea or a sparkling water or something with zero calories is like 70,000 calories/20 pounds in a year. Make drinking, dessert, etc. the exception.

It may also help for him to just write down everything he eats for a week or two, even if he isn't tracking calories for all of it. Pretty eye opening when you do this, especially if he's a snacker or grazer by nature.

That being said, I'd also get a doctor to check everything out that may be hampering him (thyroid, etc.) I don't know how much fat he had to lose, but if he's active in weights and cardio 4-5x per week, then he's gotta be eating a TON to maintain that weight if there isn't some underlying health driver really slowing his metabolism. If he's that regular with working out he's likely having to eat 3500-4000 calories just to stay at his weight.

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The average American drinks about 40 gallons of soda per year. That's over 57,000 calories, which is the approximate amount of energy in 16 pounds of fat--16 pounds of fat that Joe Six Pack could lose in a year by simply cutting out the soda.

— Mike Matthews (@muscleforlife) January 9, 2023

Bunk Moreland said:

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My vice is diet soda. Zero calories but still need to ditch it for water water and more water.

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Bunk Moreland said:

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My vice is diet soda. Zero calories but still need to ditch it for water water and more water.

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Ryan the Temp said:

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I know that. However, I've tracked food intake with journals enough to be able to visually judge a great many foods. I've even created "recipes" for some of my favorites to use in food journals. I've also done a lot of research on nutrition at certain restaurants, especially fast food, so I can make the best choices when I'm in a bind.

The key is to make those correct or best choices, which obviously I'm not doing.

One of the things that threw me way off last year was when the Atkins food journal app I was using was taken offline by the company for three months. I am very much a creature of habit and as long as I was able to keep the focus on doing the same things every day, it was working. When they took the app down, I lost all of the data I had compiled to make tracking easier (i.e. those "recipes"), so it was very difficult to transition to one of the other food journal apps. My whole system fell apart and the loss of my routine allowed me to slip back into my bad eating habits.

Atkins eventually brought the app back, but it sucks now. I think I'm going to explore the food side of Fitbit to see if I like it.

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