schmellba99 said:

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Camo said:

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Moxie's is this way due to the 'demographic' of their customers...... this is not racist, it is statistically factual that certain demographics tip very very poorly.

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Why is this a thing, tho. Are black folks aware they are perceived as bad tippers? Do they GAS?

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GF in college worked at a few restaurants there in CS and before that in Houston. Nobody wanted to be the one that got stuck with the sunday after church crowd or black families because both were notorious for demanding a crap load of attention and leaving squat for tips. They always wanted the couple out on a date because, generally speaking, decent service was going to solicit a good tip because the dude wanted to impress his date, regardless of color.

My little bro worked at Bennigans in CS for a while and said the same thing. He almost got fired once for chasing a family out the door and giving them their change that they tried to leave for a tip. It was something like $3 on probably a $40-$60 meal. Dude went back and complained to the manager about it, bro got a huge dressing down and nearly fired over it, even though the manager completely understood his point.

Stereotypes exist for a reason, and it isn't because whitey needs a reason to make fun of somebody else. They exist because, in general, a group that shares the same characteristics acts in nearly the same manner wherever you go.

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I remember when he did that. The rest of us were clapping and cheering.

When I had the Sunday lunch shift, I would commandeer the juke box as soon as the church crowd started coming in, and queue up Hell's Bells, Sympathy for the Devil, Running with the Devil, Number of the Beast, etc.

TarponChaser said:

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cypress-ag said:

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I've struggled these days buying a few Bottles of good wine and while out and thinking about the amount of effort the waiter put into opening a bottle and providing a glass and then tipping on $150 for that service.

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So… it's the 15-20% gratuity that stalls you out… but not the 250% markup that you are paying for the pleasure of them uncorking the bottle in the establishment itself?

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Do you flip out over the same markup on a glass of bourbon or cocktail at the same establishment?

Personally, I don't have the time or energy to devote to keeping track of what is good wine and what isn't. What's a good year or not. So when I go to Spec's or Total Wine or a wine bar or a nice dinner at a place with a sommelier I tell them what I like in a wine, what I'm planning on pairing it with, and the budget and let them make the choice. I've never been steered wrong doing this.

I think that service is worth a few bucks for sure.

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Do I flip out over the mark up? No… restaurant has to turn a profit. My question is more of a perceived value one. On the surface, drawing the line where that poster does isn't unreasonable… but you already are paying probably 250% more than you'd pay for that same bottle at Spec's. If a place embedded 20% more in and just included the service in the bill, would anybody actually notice? I'd say no.

I know we aren't changing anything here but this illustrates how stupid the tipping system is. I think the restaurant industry actually harms itself with this system but it is so embedded that it won't be going away anytime soon.

It's a crap way to pay people and for as much as people want to talk about servers providing the 'experience' at a restaurant… when you break it down, so much of that is way out of a server's control anyway. And food and drink are always going to be the lead in how people remember a place anyway. Put it this way: go read reviews and recommendation threads on this board. Not a lot of posts about going somewhere because the waitstaff is outstanding.

All I will add is that it should be lawful in every state to bring your own wine for a cork fee to any restaurant. Period.

I'd like to see all restaurants adopt a no-tip policy. Pay your workers a competitive wage and build the costs into the menu. It is working in New York City, the restaurant capital of the world, and it can work everywhere in America. Hopefully adoption of this policy will spread like wildfire. Win-win.

where are you seeing that in NYC?

Went to Loro Friday, default tip is 18% but you order at the counter, get your own water, and they drop your food off at the table.