gougler08 said:

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J.D. c/o 05 said:

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gougler08 said:

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I feel like 65 deaths in a county of over 2MM people isn't a big deal right?

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I miss something? Almost 5 million in Harris county now.

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I was just guessing at the number but makes my point even more

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I agree. Which is why I thought we should get our facts straight.

https://abc13.com/health/patients-wait-while-med-center-says-100s-of-beds-still-available/6310321/

XpressAg09 said:

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schmendeler said:

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gougler08 said:

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I feel like 65 deaths in a county of over 2MM people isn't a big deal right?

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relative to what?

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Literally any other day in the same county.

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according to this website, the average deaths per day in harris count is around 66. 65 deaths was over two weeks, which works out to ~5 per day, or about 7% of the daily total. big deal? i dunno, but i think if deaths from all causes were up 7%, it would be something to look into.

https://houston-probate-law.com/home/how-many-people-die-in-houston-texas-each-year/

XpressAg09 said:

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schmendeler said:

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XpressAg09 said:

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schmendeler said:

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gougler08 said:

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I feel like 65 deaths in a county of over 2MM people isn't a big deal right?

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relative to what?

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Literally any other day in the same county.

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according to this website, the average deaths per day in harris count is around 66. 65 deaths was over two weeks, which works out to ~5 per day, or about 7% of the daily total. big deal? i dunno, but i think if deaths from all causes were up 7%, it would be something to look into.

https://houston-probate-law.com/home/how-many-people-die-in-houston-texas-each-year/

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The assumption that the death rate is up 7% is flawed.

What's not to say there were only 60 non-COVID deaths per day in the past two weeks, then the 5 that died per day due to COVID bring us right back to 65 per day, meaning there's no change in the death rate from any given day.

With the world focused on COVID, 'regular deaths' are being swept under the rug, or, rightly or wrongly, attributed to COVID. Until we see the total number of all deaths in the city/county, we cannot assume that the death rate has changed.

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i'm not assuming any thing. i said IF deaths from all causes were up 7%. i think there's a very good chance that deaths from all causes are down during this time period, including covid, because there are no bars open, and people aren't interacting with each other as much.

No one will show us but what we need is the stat of dying OF covid vs dying WITH covid. The tweets from HHS tell us that a majority of these deaths have underlying conditions...then remind us that it is still deadly!

schmendeler said:

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. i said IF deaths from all causes were up 7%.

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schmendeler said:

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XpressAg09 said:

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schmendeler said:

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XpressAg09 said:

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schmendeler said:

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gougler08 said:

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I feel like 65 deaths in a county of over 2MM people isn't a big deal right?

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relative to what?

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Literally any other day in the same county.

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according to this website, the average deaths per day in harris count is around 66. 65 deaths was over two weeks, which works out to ~5 per day, or about 7% of the daily total. big deal? i dunno, but i think if deaths from all causes were up 7%, it would be something to look into.

https://houston-probate-law.com/home/how-many-people-die-in-houston-texas-each-year/

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The assumption that the death rate is up 7% is flawed.

What's not to say there were only 60 non-COVID deaths per day in the past two weeks, then the 5 that died per day due to COVID bring us right back to 65 per day, meaning there's no change in the death rate from any given day.

With the world focused on COVID, 'regular deaths' are being swept under the rug, or, rightly or wrongly, attributed to COVID. Until we see the total number of all deaths in the city/county, we cannot assume that the death rate has changed.

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i'm not assuming any thing. i said IF deaths from all causes were up 7%. i think there's a very good chance that deaths from all causes are down during this time period, including covid, because there are no bars open, and people aren't interacting with each other as much.

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Just because people aren't meeting their friends at a bar doesn't mean they aren't hanging out.

rudy99 said:

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No one will show us but what we need is the stat of dying OF covid vs dying WITH covid. The tweets from HHS tell us that a majority of these deaths have underlying conditions...then remind us that it is still deadly!

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Bingo. It makes you wonder when an updated list of 6 deaths gets trotted out but all of them are 70/80 with underlying conditions.

aTm2004 said:

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schmendeler said:

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XpressAg09 said:

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schmendeler said:

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XpressAg09 said:

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schmendeler said:

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gougler08 said:

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I feel like 65 deaths in a county of over 2MM people isn't a big deal right?

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relative to what?

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Literally any other day in the same county.

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according to this website, the average deaths per day in harris count is around 66. 65 deaths was over two weeks, which works out to ~5 per day, or about 7% of the daily total. big deal? i dunno, but i think if deaths from all causes were up 7%, it would be something to look into.

https://houston-probate-law.com/home/how-many-people-die-in-houston-texas-each-year/

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The assumption that the death rate is up 7% is flawed.

What's not to say there were only 60 non-COVID deaths per day in the past two weeks, then the 5 that died per day due to COVID bring us right back to 65 per day, meaning there's no change in the death rate from any given day.

With the world focused on COVID, 'regular deaths' are being swept under the rug, or, rightly or wrongly, attributed to COVID. Until we see the total number of all deaths in the city/county, we cannot assume that the death rate has changed.

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i'm not assuming any thing. i said IF deaths from all causes were up 7%. i think there's a very good chance that deaths from all causes are down during this time period, including covid, because there are no bars open, and people aren't interacting with each other as much.

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Just because people aren't meeting their friends at a bar doesn't mean they aren't hanging out.

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i understand that. i wasn't making a statement of fact, just sharing my guess as to what death counts have been like overall.

I understand that, but that comment doesn't make any sense. People are still hanging out with their friends and family. A central location may not be available at the moment, but it's happening somewhere.

Looks like he's saying "people aren't interacting with each other as much."

Is that really disputed? Seems that's the case for 99% of people

schmendeler said:

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CFTXAG10 said:

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rudy99 said:

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No one will show us but what we need is the stat of dying OF covid vs dying WITH covid. The tweets from HHS tell us that a majority of these deaths have underlying conditions...then remind us that it is still deadly!

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Bingo. It makes you wonder when an updated list of 6 deaths gets trotted out but all of them are 70/80 with underlying conditions.

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just because someone has underlying conditions, you don't get to ignore their death from another disease. a person with cancer still dies from being in a car accident if they get hit by a drunk driver on the way to chemo, you don't get to hand wave it away as them going to probably die anyway.

i know it's comforting to some to think that these people would have died soon anyway, but acting as if that the life they would have lived in the absence of this disease is therefore worthless is pretty crappy to me.

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Thats not what I am trying to say at all. The question posed was if they are dying WITH COVID or dying OF COVID. My comment has more to do with wanting to know what those underlying conditions were.

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Families are still getting together for birthdays, anniversaries, protests/riots, etc.

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yeah, one look at the increased hospitalization chart could tell you that

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fify

aTm2004 said:

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Panama Red said:

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Looks like he's saying "people aren't interacting with each other as much."

Is that really disputed? Seems that's the case for 99% of people

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No it isn't. Maybe for you and cornabros, but majority of people are trying to live as normal life as possible right now. My kids still play with all of the other kids on our street. My wife and I sit out on the driveway with our neighbors while this is happening. Families are still getting together for birthdays, anniversaries, etc. BBQs are still happening with friends coming over. Single men and women are still going on first dates and hooking up with people. The only thing that has changed is where some of these events take place.

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I guess everything is normal, and there's no more concern for things being shut down anymore? Since everyone is doing all the things they would normally do?

you're bringing an outdoors one off into an ongoing concern

it's losing its punch

Panama Red said:

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aTm2004 said:

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Panama Red said:

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Looks like he's saying "people aren't interacting with each other as much."

Is that really disputed? Seems that's the case for 99% of people

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No it isn't. Maybe for you and cornabros, but majority of people are trying to live as normal life as possible right now. My kids still play with all of the other kids on our street. My wife and I sit out on the driveway with our neighbors while this is happening. Families are still getting together for birthdays, anniversaries, etc. BBQs are still happening with friends coming over. Single men and women are still going on first dates and hooking up with people. The only thing that has changed is where some of these events take place.

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How am I a coronabro because I can see the obvious?
I've been to bars, restaurants etc. a bunch since they opened. All far less crowded. Went to twin peaks yesterday. Empty. Sorry, those guys aren't meeting up at their house with buddies at 130 on Thursday.

Im married, but single friend told me yesterday that the dating app scene slowly picking up, but still very sparse. So "first dates" aren't happening nearly as much apparently

None of those things are happening as much as they were before all this shutdown. You are living in a fantasyland if you don't see that.

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Didn't call you a coronabro. I said you and cornabros.

Living in fantasy land? I'm seeing it with my own 2 eyes. My neighbors on both sides of us have pools, but are on opposite ends of the age group with kids (young vs. teens). Both have friends over everyday swimming and hanging out. The 3 houses across the street and to the right of me all have teenagers. Friends coming and going throughout the day, everyday. Pass by any of the local schools in my neighborhood and you see kids on playgrounds, teens/young adults playing football, soccer, volleyball, etc. Any given weekend, there are kid's birthday parties going on, BBQ get togethers, etc. I hopped on a conference call for work a bit early yesterday and ended up chit chatting with a co-worker for a bit. He's married and in his early-30's (no kids), and him and his wife are leaving Saturday to fly to SLC to meet up with a few other couples they know to go hiking for the week, who are also flying in.

Just because you think people only meet up at a bar or restaurant doesn't mean it's true, especially those with young kids.

schmendeler said:

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aTm2004 said:

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Panama Red said:

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Looks like he's saying "people aren't interacting with each other as much."

Is that really disputed? Seems that's the case for 99% of people

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No it isn't. Maybe for you and cornabros, but majority of people are trying to live as normal life as possible right now. My kids still play with all of the other kids on our street. My wife and I sit out on the driveway with our neighbors while this is happening. Families are still getting together for birthdays, anniversaries, etc. BBQs are still happening with friends coming over. Single men and women are still going on first dates and hooking up with people. The only thing that has changed is where some of these events take place.

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I guess everything is normal, and there's no more concern for things being shut down anymore? Since everyone is doing all the things they would normally do?

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I honestly don't think anything should be shut down. Be honest with people and let us know what conditions give a person a higher risk, and let them take the precautions while the rest of us go about our lives.

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you're bringing an outdoors one off into an ongoing concern

it's losing its punch

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An event that people and the "experts" are going out of their way to say didn't cause the uptick, even though anyone with a functioning brain knows is BS. Instead, they want more restrictions and to shut things down even more. I asked several pages back if masks and shutting things down works, then why was LA County leading the nation in cases. They were much more strict with mask requirements and opening things. There was something that happened out there a month or so ago...I can't quite remember.

higher risk being living with people with lower risk who engage in risky activity but screw those folks they should get their own place

maybe just take a beat to see how individual risk impacts collective risk through growing the disease reservoir and number of active vectors

Panama Red said:

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I've got young kids. The get together are not nearly as many as before. People do want to get back to normaL, but this still isn't anything close to normalcy.

Your buddy is flying to SLC. Guess who isn't? The 3 plane loads of people on cancelled flights from IAH because travel is down enormously.

If it is all normal, then you shouldn't have any complaints. Personally, I think it sucks butt

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Sounds like your friends are using it as an excuse to not hang out with y'all.

I never said it's normal. I said people are trying to live as normal of a life as possible.

perfect username for your outlook

Dammit...meant to use the winky.