BohunkAg said:

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schmendeler said:

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Cromagnum said:

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Try pointing out to some scared wuss how it was always about flattening the curve. We were successful in dragging this thing out for 3 months so that hospitals weren't overwhelmed, and they will only point out "well look how steep the curve is now, we have to flatten it again". I'll listen when you stop burning cities down and protesting every *******ed thing while telling others they can't leave their homes in the same breath.

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do you think that *****ing about protesters is going to change the reality of where we are now?

pretending that the current surge of hospitalizations is only a problem once protesters are called out is nonsensical.

you can be upset about the double standard, but that has no effect on the current reality.

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I think pointing out that the anomaly of the protests is why we are seeing the surge is a valid data point, and that if we go back to being careful (like we were before), we should be able to flatten the thing again.

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Koldus131 said:

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Cromagnum said:

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schmendeler said:

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Cromagnum said:

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Try pointing out to some scared wuss how it was always about flattening the curve. We were successful in dragging this thing out for 3 months so that hospitals weren't overwhelmed, and they will only point out "well look how steep the curve is now, we have to flatten it again". I'll listen when you stop burning cities down and protesting every *******ed thing while telling others they can't leave their homes in the same breath.

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do you think that *****ing about protesters is going to change the reality of where we are now?

pretending that the current surge of hospitalizations is only a problem once protesters are called out is nonsensical.

you can be upset about the double standard, but that has no effect on the current reality.

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The current reality is that a large portion of the population DNGAF about the rest of us and are only intent on protesting and causing civil unrest. That undoes what everyone else is trying to do and I believe that putting that burden once again on business owners to close down to protect the masses is complete bull*****

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It is rich reading this on a thread and website where many many users refuse to wear masks

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Koldus131 said:

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Cromagnum said:

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schmendeler said:

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Cromagnum said:

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Try pointing out to some scared wuss how it was always about flattening the curve. We were successful in dragging this thing out for 3 months so that hospitals weren't overwhelmed, and they will only point out "well look how steep the curve is now, we have to flatten it again". I'll listen when you stop burning cities down and protesting every *******ed thing while telling others they can't leave their homes in the same breath.

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do you think that *****ing about protesters is going to change the reality of where we are now?

pretending that the current surge of hospitalizations is only a problem once protesters are called out is nonsensical.

you can be upset about the double standard, but that has no effect on the current reality.

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The current reality is that a large portion of the population DNGAF about the rest of us and are only intent on protesting and causing civil unrest. That undoes what everyone else is trying to do and I believe that putting that burden once again on business owners to close down to protect the masses is complete bull*****

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It is rich reading this on a thread and website where many many users refuse to wear masks

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Cromagnum said:

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schmendeler said:

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Cromagnum said:

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schmendeler said:

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Cromagnum said:

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Try pointing out to some scared wuss how it was always about flattening the curve. We were successful in dragging this thing out for 3 months so that hospitals weren't overwhelmed, and they will only point out "well look how steep the curve is now, we have to flatten it again". I'll listen when you stop burning cities down and protesting every *******ed thing while telling others they can't leave their homes in the same breath.

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do you think that *****ing about protesters is going to change the reality of where we are now?

pretending that the current surge of hospitalizations is only a problem once protesters are called out is nonsensical.

you can be upset about the double standard, but that has no effect on the current reality.

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The current reality is that a large portion of the population DNGAF about the rest of us and are only intent on protesting and causing civil unrest. That undoes what everyone else is trying to do and I believe that putting that burden once again on business owners to close down to protect the masses is complete bull*****

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i'm pretty sure there isn't still a large portion of the population in houston/harris county protesting and causing civil unrest.

but there is a decent population that still refuse to wear masks.

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Oh, so that whole 2 weeks BS is out the window then? Its amazing that we had all this unrest 2-3 weeks ago and lo and behold there is now a spike.

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Cromagnum said:

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schmendeler said:

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Cromagnum said:

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schmendeler said:

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Cromagnum said:

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Try pointing out to some scared wuss how it was always about flattening the curve. We were successful in dragging this thing out for 3 months so that hospitals weren't overwhelmed, and they will only point out "well look how steep the curve is now, we have to flatten it again". I'll listen when you stop burning cities down and protesting every *******ed thing while telling others they can't leave their homes in the same breath.

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do you think that *****ing about protesters is going to change the reality of where we are now?

pretending that the current surge of hospitalizations is only a problem once protesters are called out is nonsensical.

you can be upset about the double standard, but that has no effect on the current reality.

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The current reality is that a large portion of the population DNGAF about the rest of us and are only intent on protesting and causing civil unrest. That undoes what everyone else is trying to do and I believe that putting that burden once again on business owners to close down to protect the masses is complete bull*****

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i'm pretty sure there isn't still a large portion of the population in houston/harris county protesting and causing civil unrest.

but there is a decent population that still refuse to wear masks.

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Oh, so that whole 2 weeks BS is out the window then? Its amazing that we had all this unrest 2-3 weeks ago and lo and behold there is now a spike.

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There is no reason why the solution has to be all-or-nothing, keep it all open vs shut it all down.

Restaurants ought to be able to stay open, at least at reduced capacity, and if they are required to report any positive test to the health department. Bars should probably stay closed, but we are all grown ups here. Let people make their own choices. If the risk of getting sick is worth an overpriced drink, so be it.

All retail should be able to stay open, as long as they don't get too crowded. I think most of them that can will encourage online ordering and curbside pickup anyway. If a store wants to require masks, that's fine by me.

Eye doctors and dentists ought to be able to stay open. These are medical professionals who know how to protect themselves and their patients. If you as a patient are concerned, then delay your appointment.

What we should be discouraging large gatherings of any type. This includes protests and church services.

Deeming any business or activity as "more essential" than any other was totally ridiculous the first time around. It just doesn't make sense that I could buy liquor and wine during the "shutdown", but my son, whose vision is absolutely terrible, could not get new glasses. We don't need to go down that path again.

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terradactylexpress said:

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Agreed except people making their own choices is why we are where we are, be it a choice to protest, get drinks or hang out with people in groups

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BohunkAg said:

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TXTransplant said:

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There is no reason why the solution has to be all-or-nothing, keep it all open vs shut it all down.

Restaurants ought to be able to stay open, at least at reduced capacity, and if they are required to report any positive test to the health department. Bars should probably stay closed, but we are all grown ups here. Let people make their own choices. If the risk of getting sick is worth an overpriced drink, so be it.

All retail should be able to stay open, as long as they don't get too crowded. I think most of them that can will encourage online ordering and curbside pickup anyway. If a store wants to require masks, that's fine by me.

Eye doctors and dentists ought to be able to stay open. These are medical professionals who know how to protect themselves and their patients. If you as a patient are concerned, then delay your appointment.

What we should be discouraging large gatherings of any type. This includes protests and church services.

Deeming any business or activity as "more essential" than any other was totally ridiculous the first time around. It just doesn't make sense that I could buy liquor and wine during the "shutdown", but my son, whose vision is absolutely terrible, could not get new glasses. We don't need to go down that path again.

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We have been attending church the last few weeks and it has been going rather well. Everyone wearing masks and observing social distancing. Still at 50% capacity. I believe church can be done effectively if restaurants can.

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TXTransplant said:

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BohunkAg said:

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TXTransplant said:

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There is no reason why the solution has to be all-or-nothing, keep it all open vs shut it all down.

Restaurants ought to be able to stay open, at least at reduced capacity, and if they are required to report any positive test to the health department. Bars should probably stay closed, but we are all grown ups here. Let people make their own choices. If the risk of getting sick is worth an overpriced drink, so be it.

All retail should be able to stay open, as long as they don't get too crowded. I think most of them that can will encourage online ordering and curbside pickup anyway. If a store wants to require masks, that's fine by me.

Eye doctors and dentists ought to be able to stay open. These are medical professionals who know how to protect themselves and their patients. If you as a patient are concerned, then delay your appointment.

What we should be discouraging large gatherings of any type. This includes protests and church services.

Deeming any business or activity as "more essential" than any other was totally ridiculous the first time around. It just doesn't make sense that I could buy liquor and wine during the "shutdown", but my son, whose vision is absolutely terrible, could not get new glasses. We don't need to go down that path again.

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We have been attending church the last few weeks and it has been going rather well. Everyone wearing masks and observing social distancing. Still at 50% capacity. I believe church can be done effectively if restaurants can.

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I haven't been, but my church is doing something very similar, under the guidance of the Diocese.

I have friends whose churches do not require masks and are not as good at encouraging/requiring social distancing. You've got to have institutional (NOT government) leadership set the expectation and example and hold individual churches (or schools, or whatever) accountable.

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BohunkAg said:

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Texan_Aggie said:

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TXTransplant said:

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terradactylexpress said:

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Agreed except people making their own choices is why we are where we are, be it a choice to protest, get drinks or hang out with people in groups

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True, but forcing people to do things just makes it worse when everything opens back up. There are some people who will never comply, and there are people who will stop complying once they realize that the people never complied in the first place are not being held accountable.

Truthfully, I'd be ok if bars and nightclubs stayed closed and occupancy at movie theaters, pools, etc was forced to stay at very reduced capacity.

But, ultimately, this all comes down to personal responsibility. If some people want to behave irresponsibly, then they can deal with the consequences.

The hospital situation concerns me, but again, I have to put my faith that people who run the hospitals will make the right decisions. And I'll do my absolute best to keep myself and my son AWAY from a hospital right now.

In the end, I can only control my own actions and no one else's. I'm doing the best I can, but I'm not self-isolating indefinitely. We all deserve the freedom to evaluate the risk of each activity/outing we engage in and make a decision for ourselves.

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This is why the government has to step in. People are stupid and, unfortunately, the consequences of this mess aren't limited to those behaving irresponsibly.

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I would agree, except the "government" has already proven they are going to selectively enforce this thing and they have created much of this mess.

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BohunkAg said:

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Texan_Aggie said:

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TXTransplant said:

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terradactylexpress said:

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Agreed except people making their own choices is why we are where we are, be it a choice to protest, get drinks or hang out with people in groups

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True, but forcing people to do things just makes it worse when everything opens back up. There are some people who will never comply, and there are people who will stop complying once they realize that the people never complied in the first place are not being held accountable.

Truthfully, I'd be ok if bars and nightclubs stayed closed and occupancy at movie theaters, pools, etc was forced to stay at very reduced capacity.

But, ultimately, this all comes down to personal responsibility. If some people want to behave irresponsibly, then they can deal with the consequences.

The hospital situation concerns me, but again, I have to put my faith that people who run the hospitals will make the right decisions. And I'll do my absolute best to keep myself and my son AWAY from a hospital right now.

In the end, I can only control my own actions and no one else's. I'm doing the best I can, but I'm not self-isolating indefinitely. We all deserve the freedom to evaluate the risk of each activity/outing we engage in and make a decision for ourselves.

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This is why the government has to step in. People are stupid and, unfortunately, the consequences of this mess aren't limited to those behaving irresponsibly.

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I would agree, except the "government" has already proven they are going to selectively enforce this thing and they have created much of this mess.

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LA County has more cases than any other county

Los Angeles County has more cases of coronavirus than any other county in the U.S.
LA has over 88,500 residents diagnosed with COVID-19, followed by 87,700 cases in Cook County, Illinois, and 64,000 cases in Queens in New York City.

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The top public health official in Los Angeles County blamed massive protests for a spike in coronavirus cases.

Los Angeles County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer told the Los Angeles Times it was "highly likely" that the demonstrations, meant to protest against police brutality and racial injustice, contributed to the significant spike in COVID-19 cases in the city.

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