David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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... so to clarify, you dont think the government *should* round people up and put them into a poisonous rat trap, but as long as you can get a green beer for St. Patty's day, it wont actually affect your mood?

Perfect.

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I don't care about the green beer. I don't even celebrate the holiday outside of a little Irish cream in my coffee. I do care about gross abuse by government officials and the economic impact that this has on businesses with models completely built around socialization. The people they'll lay off. The doors that will shut.

The world is about to get one of the biggest case studies in economics ever. Did stopping the world economy kill more than the virus itself?

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Would you rather have an overwhelmed health care and hospital system and have a situation like what's going Italy or have a bunch of bartenders & waitresses on a 2 week unpaid vacation? If a bar/restaurant has to shut down because of 2 weeks off, there's a high chance they would have had to do so if this wasn't going on anyway.

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You realize that Italy is a ****hole with a horrible healthcare system don't you?

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Well not sure if you've turned on the news at all, but there's a shortage of rooms/beds in hospitals that would overwhelm our system just like theirs if this thing spreads rapidly like it has there, don't you? That has nothing to do with the quality of doctors.

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I said healthcare system. That encompasses the entire structure. Not just the doctors. It's a socialized medicine country that is set up horribly!

In addition to our hospitals, we have thousands of day surgery centers equipped with clean surgical rooms, ventilators, and other equipment that could be easily converted to isolate and treat critical coronavirus patients if needed. We are better equipped to handle a surge of critical cases than any country in the world.

IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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... so to clarify, you dont think the government *should* round people up and put them into a poisonous rat trap, but as long as you can get a green beer for St. Patty's day, it wont actually affect your mood?

Perfect.

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I don't care about the green beer. I don't even celebrate the holiday outside of a little Irish cream in my coffee. I do care about gross abuse by government officials and the economic impact that this has on businesses with models completely built around socialization. The people they'll lay off. The doors that will shut.

The world is about to get one of the biggest case studies in economics ever. Did stopping the world economy kill more than the virus itself?

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Would you rather have an overwhelmed health care and hospital system and have a situation like what's going Italy or have a bunch of bartenders & waitresses on a 2 week unpaid vacation? If a bar/restaurant has to shut down because of 2 weeks off, there's a high chance they would have had to do so if this wasn't going on anyway.

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You realize that Italy is a ****hole with a horrible healthcare system don't you?

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Well not sure if you've turned on the news at all, but there's a shortage of rooms/beds in hospitals that would overwhelm our system just like theirs if this thing spreads rapidly like it has there, don't you? That has nothing to do with the quality of doctors.

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I said healthcare system. That encompasses the entire structure. Not just the doctors. It's a socialized medicine country that is set up horribly!

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So where are you coming up with the space then when millions of people are turning up testing positive because they left all of the bars, restaurants, and gyms open.....which are essentially petri dishes. Also, let's not forget that people are currently and will be hospitalized for hundreds of other issues going forward.

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In addition to our hospitals, we have thousands of day surgery centers equipped with clean surgical rooms, ventilators, and other equipment that could be easily converted to isolate and treat critical coronavirus patients if needed. We are better equipped to handle a surge of critical cases than any country in the world.

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Hate to break it to you, but there is a live press conference going on right now with the Governor of NY saying the exact opposite. Plus the higher ups in charge of this whole deal who know way much more about this than any of us are agreeing with him.

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Brad06ag said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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... so to clarify, you dont think the government *should* round people up and put them into a poisonous rat trap, but as long as you can get a green beer for St. Patty's day, it wont actually affect your mood?

Perfect.

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I don't care about the green beer. I don't even celebrate the holiday outside of a little Irish cream in my coffee. I do care about gross abuse by government officials and the economic impact that this has on businesses with models completely built around socialization. The people they'll lay off. The doors that will shut.

The world is about to get one of the biggest case studies in economics ever. Did stopping the world economy kill more than the virus itself?

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Would you rather have an overwhelmed health care and hospital system and have a situation like what's going Italy or have a bunch of bartenders & waitresses on a 2 week unpaid vacation? If a bar/restaurant has to shut down because of 2 weeks off, there's a high chance they would have had to do so if this wasn't going on anyway.

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You realize that Italy is a ****hole with a horrible healthcare system don't you?

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Bull*****. It's Europe. The entire continent has social programs and healthcare that we would die for!

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Hope this a joke

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Dude, It's freaking Europe... The whole place is a joke.

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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... so to clarify, you dont think the government *should* round people up and put them into a poisonous rat trap, but as long as you can get a green beer for St. Patty's day, it wont actually affect your mood?

Perfect.

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I don't care about the green beer. I don't even celebrate the holiday outside of a little Irish cream in my coffee. I do care about gross abuse by government officials and the economic impact that this has on businesses with models completely built around socialization. The people they'll lay off. The doors that will shut.

The world is about to get one of the biggest case studies in economics ever. Did stopping the world economy kill more than the virus itself?

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Would you rather have an overwhelmed health care and hospital system and have a situation like what's going Italy or have a bunch of bartenders & waitresses on a 2 week unpaid vacation? If a bar/restaurant has to shut down because of 2 weeks off, there's a high chance they would have had to do so if this wasn't going on anyway.

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Do you really believe it is only going to be two weeks? The only way I see that happening is if the restaurant/bar owners pool a bunch of money to wet Turner and Hidalgo's beaks.

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If the reported positive cases significantly diminish during the time......absolutely. Which is the entire point of this whole ordinance to begin with.

FYI the epidemiologists are saying the do-nothing epidemic will produce a demand of ~275 critical care beds per 100,000 population.

US nominal is about 42 beds per 100,000. Germany is 30 (iirc) Italy is 12. UK is 6.

Even if we have triple our nominal capacity between unlisted and American ingenuity - which wouldn't surprise me - this would severely strain us. If not outright overwhelm.

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FYI the epidemiologists are saying the do-nothing epidemic will produce a demand of ~275 critical care beds per 100,000 population.

US nominal is about 42 beds per 100,000. Germany is 30 (iirc) Italy is 12. UK is 6.

Even if we have triple our nominal capacity between unlisted and American ingenuity - which wouldn't surprise me - this would severely strain us. If not outright overwhelm.

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A lot of nursing homes are set up for this already with the oxygen to each bed or at least to those that will require full time. Those beds are not in the 42/ 100,000 count, but this is a time where they need to be treated where they are if possible as the infrastructure is probably just as good for this particular virus as if they were put in an ICU.

There are not clean ICUs, but there are a lot of convention centers near world class hospitals that have power requirements to run a casino hospital. It would be triage set up likely by national guard, but again, for treating one particular illness it could be used and free up hospitals for their everyday patients and keep them isolated from people with the virus.

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You're assuming it's only going to be 2 weeks. Remember when schools were only closing for a couple days to 1 week?

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So you'd prefer people congregating in large crowds spreading the virus to essentially everyone who goes to a bar? Hell a server or bartender who contracts it will be bed ridden for a couple weeks anyway, so I'd prefer using precautionary measures than reactionary ones.

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I support people making their own decisions for their own situations. But to dismiss this as "it's only 2 weeks" I think is going to be incorrect.

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The reason I think this thing will be over in a couple of weeks is just the general attention span of the average American. They'll get worn out by it, miss their social lives, miss sports, etc, and society as a whole, will move on. The signal will be when CNN puts an article out about Trump being doomed because he smiled at a lady too much.

Brad06ag said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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... so to clarify, you dont think the government *should* round people up and put them into a poisonous rat trap, but as long as you can get a green beer for St. Patty's day, it wont actually affect your mood?

Perfect.

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I don't care about the green beer. I don't even celebrate the holiday outside of a little Irish cream in my coffee. I do care about gross abuse by government officials and the economic impact that this has on businesses with models completely built around socialization. The people they'll lay off. The doors that will shut.

The world is about to get one of the biggest case studies in economics ever. Did stopping the world economy kill more than the virus itself?

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Would you rather have an overwhelmed health care and hospital system and have a situation like what's going Italy or have a bunch of bartenders & waitresses on a 2 week unpaid vacation? If a bar/restaurant has to shut down because of 2 weeks off, there's a high chance they would have had to do so if this wasn't going on anyway.

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You realize that Italy is a ****hole with a horrible healthcare system don't you?

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Bull*****. It's Europe. The entire continent has social programs and healthcare where we would die during the wait due to health care rationing.

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FIFY

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In addition to our hospitals, we have thousands of day surgery centers equipped with clean surgical rooms, ventilators, and other equipment that could be easily converted to isolate and treat critical coronavirus patients if needed. We are better equipped to handle a surge of critical cases than any country in the world.

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Hate to break it to you, but there is a live press conference going on right now with the Governor of NY saying the exact opposite. Plus the higher ups in charge of this whole deal who know way much more about this than any of us are agreeing with him.

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I didn't say we have everything we need and more. I said we are better equipped to handle this kind of surge than anywhere else on the planet, and I stand by that statement. Will our system be taxed and likely overwhelmed? Probably so. But we also have a wide array of options to add to that capacity that don't exist in many other countries where healthcare is a centralized government function. We have private capacity that can be converted and have the ability to rapidly ramp up a lot of additional capacity through army field hospitals and disaster response units from places like the red cross. It may still not be entirely sufficient in places with hugely concentrated urban populations like NYC, but it is way more than places like Italy and Iran have available for sure.

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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... so to clarify, you dont think the government *should* round people up and put them into a poisonous rat trap, but as long as you can get a green beer for St. Patty's day, it wont actually affect your mood?

Perfect.

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I don't care about the green beer. I don't even celebrate the holiday outside of a little Irish cream in my coffee. I do care about gross abuse by government officials and the economic impact that this has on businesses with models completely built around socialization. The people they'll lay off. The doors that will shut.

The world is about to get one of the biggest case studies in economics ever. Did stopping the world economy kill more than the virus itself?

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Would you rather have an overwhelmed health care and hospital system and have a situation like what's going Italy or have a bunch of bartenders & waitresses on a 2 week unpaid vacation? If a bar/restaurant has to shut down because of 2 weeks off, there's a high chance they would have had to do so if this wasn't going on anyway.

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You realize that Italy is a ****hole with a horrible healthcare system don't you?

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Bull*****. It's Europe. The entire continent has social programs and healthcare where we would die during the wait due to health care rationing.

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FIFY

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I did say we would die for it.... subtle yes... but it's there.

i really think they're going to crash course manhattan project a couple of anti-viral routes and have them entering mass production by the fall. there's at least infrastructure in place to go that route.

so six months of varying distancing measures and greatly increased testing and we should be able to make it

but this isn't going away by Easter. no way.

Aaaah, I missed it. Let me try this again after another cup of coffee.

David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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... so to clarify, you dont think the government *should* round people up and put them into a poisonous rat trap, but as long as you can get a green beer for St. Patty's day, it wont actually affect your mood?

Perfect.

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I don't care about the green beer. I don't even celebrate the holiday outside of a little Irish cream in my coffee. I do care about gross abuse by government officials and the economic impact that this has on businesses with models completely built around socialization. The people they'll lay off. The doors that will shut.

The world is about to get one of the biggest case studies in economics ever. Did stopping the world economy kill more than the virus itself?

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Would you rather have an overwhelmed health care and hospital system and have a situation like what's going Italy or have a bunch of bartenders & waitresses on a 2 week unpaid vacation? If a bar/restaurant has to shut down because of 2 weeks off, there's a high chance they would have had to do so if this wasn't going on anyway.

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You realize that Italy is a ****hole with a horrible healthcare system don't you?

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Well not sure if you've turned on the news at all, but there's a shortage of rooms/beds in hospitals that would overwhelm our system just like theirs if this thing spreads rapidly like it has there, don't you? That has nothing to do with the quality of doctors.

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I said healthcare system. That encompasses the entire structure. Not just the doctors. It's a socialized medicine country that is set up horribly!

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So where are you coming up with the space then when millions of people are turning up testing positive because they left all of the bars, restaurants, and gyms open.....which are essentially petri dishes. Also, let's not forget that people are currently and will be hospitalized for hundreds of other issues going forward.

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Couldn't you say the same about airports and other public transportation locations? I looked it up last weekend and IAH averages around 60k daily and Atlanta (#1) is over 140k daily. What are the odds someone passing through there is infected? I'd put it at a greater probability than someone going to grab a beer at HH.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

This is a fun demonstration about that - why travel doesn't matter that much ultimately. Or really, that you'd have to restrict travel to basically zero for it to matter.

It's much more effective to slow spread within communities than to let communities run wild and try to isolate them.

aTm2004 said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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... so to clarify, you dont think the government *should* round people up and put them into a poisonous rat trap, but as long as you can get a green beer for St. Patty's day, it wont actually affect your mood?

Perfect.

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I don't care about the green beer. I don't even celebrate the holiday outside of a little Irish cream in my coffee. I do care about gross abuse by government officials and the economic impact that this has on businesses with models completely built around socialization. The people they'll lay off. The doors that will shut.

The world is about to get one of the biggest case studies in economics ever. Did stopping the world economy kill more than the virus itself?

---

Would you rather have an overwhelmed health care and hospital system and have a situation like what's going Italy or have a bunch of bartenders & waitresses on a 2 week unpaid vacation? If a bar/restaurant has to shut down because of 2 weeks off, there's a high chance they would have had to do so if this wasn't going on anyway.

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You realize that Italy is a ****hole with a horrible healthcare system don't you?

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Well not sure if you've turned on the news at all, but there's a shortage of rooms/beds in hospitals that would overwhelm our system just like theirs if this thing spreads rapidly like it has there, don't you? That has nothing to do with the quality of doctors.

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I said healthcare system. That encompasses the entire structure. Not just the doctors. It's a socialized medicine country that is set up horribly!

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So where are you coming up with the space then when millions of people are turning up testing positive because they left all of the bars, restaurants, and gyms open.....which are essentially petri dishes. Also, let's not forget that people are currently and will be hospitalized for hundreds of other issues going forward.

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Couldn't you say the same about airports and other public transportation locations? I looked it up last weekend and IAH averages around 60k daily and Atlanta (#1) is over 140k daily. What are the odds someone passing through there is infected? I'd put it at a greater probability than someone going to grab a beer at HH.

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Does the Harris Co moratorium on restaurant operation apply to the restaurants at the airports?

I know a lot of people are arguing that it doesn't make sense to shut down bars and restaurants and schools and keep airports open. And in a lot of ways, it doesn't. But there are still situations where people need to be able to fly, and to an extent, the airlines are managing this by reducing their schedules. Hotels and vacation destinations are closing down, so leisure travel is sort of pointless right now.

It is a hole in the "flatten the curve" strategy, though.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

This is a fun demonstration about that - why travel doesn't matter that much ultimately. Or really, that you'd have to restrict travel to basically zero for it to matter.

It's much more effective to slow spread within communities than to let communities run wild and try to isolate them.

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That's my point. People can continue to travel from New Orleans to DC and nobody question it. That person may come in contact with an unknown infected person on the train back to the airport, then pass through the airport and bring it back to NO with him, possibly infecting everyone he may come in contact or close contact with.

Yup. But ultimately that's not as significant compared with dramatic reduction of the number of infectious pathways through community spread within DC, New Orleans, etc.

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aTm2004 said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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... so to clarify, you dont think the government *should* round people up and put them into a poisonous rat trap, but as long as you can get a green beer for St. Patty's day, it wont actually affect your mood?

Perfect.

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I don't care about the green beer. I don't even celebrate the holiday outside of a little Irish cream in my coffee. I do care about gross abuse by government officials and the economic impact that this has on businesses with models completely built around socialization. The people they'll lay off. The doors that will shut.

The world is about to get one of the biggest case studies in economics ever. Did stopping the world economy kill more than the virus itself?

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Would you rather have an overwhelmed health care and hospital system and have a situation like what's going Italy or have a bunch of bartenders & waitresses on a 2 week unpaid vacation? If a bar/restaurant has to shut down because of 2 weeks off, there's a high chance they would have had to do so if this wasn't going on anyway.

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You realize that Italy is a ****hole with a horrible healthcare system don't you?

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Well not sure if you've turned on the news at all, but there's a shortage of rooms/beds in hospitals that would overwhelm our system just like theirs if this thing spreads rapidly like it has there, don't you? That has nothing to do with the quality of doctors.

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I said healthcare system. That encompasses the entire structure. Not just the doctors. It's a socialized medicine country that is set up horribly!

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So where are you coming up with the space then when millions of people are turning up testing positive because they left all of the bars, restaurants, and gyms open.....which are essentially petri dishes. Also, let's not forget that people are currently and will be hospitalized for hundreds of other issues going forward.

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Couldn't you say the same about airports and other public transportation locations? I looked it up last weekend and IAH averages around 60k daily and Atlanta (#1) is over 140k daily. What are the odds someone passing through there is infected? I'd put it at a greater probability than someone going to grab a beer at HH.

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Does the Harris Co moratorium on restaurant operation apply to the restaurants at the airports?

I know a lot of people are arguing that it doesn't make sense to shut down bars and restaurants and schools and keep airports open. And in a lot of ways, it doesn't. But there are still situations where people need to be able to fly, and to an extent, the airlines are managing this by reducing their schedules. Hotels and vacation destinations are closing down, so leisure travel is sort of pointless right now.

It is a hole in the "flatten the curve" strategy, though.

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There are situations, but there are situations where a business owner needs their business open as well and it's being forced shut.

Hotels are open. My dad flew to Canada yesterday for work and will be in a hotel there for a month.

aTm2004 said:

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David_Puddy said:

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txags92 said:

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In addition to our hospitals, we have thousands of day surgery centers equipped with clean surgical rooms, ventilators, and other equipment that could be easily converted to isolate and treat critical coronavirus patients if needed. We are better equipped to handle a surge of critical cases than any country in the world.

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Hate to break it to you, but there is a live press conference going on right now with the Governor of NY saying the exact opposite. Plus the higher ups in charge of this whole deal who know way much more about this than any of us are agreeing with him.

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The guy who hates Trump and will do/say anything that would hurt him? The some guy who is bashing the President for not mandating closure because he's doing what the federal government should do, leave the decisions up to the states?

It's funny...for 3 years we heard liberals bash Trump for being a dictator, now they're bashing him for not being one.

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Trump was just complimenting him at the presser saying they were having very productive convos. How does him encouraging people to stay home have to do anything with him not liking Trump? That's silly, and I'm as Republican as they come.

Oh and gee, what do you know, they're talking about a massive economic business interruption stimulus package to send out checks to people effected by the closure of businesses. Oh and a tax deferral of up to $1 million to small businesses and $10 million to corporations 90 days past the deadline.

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aTm2004 said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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... so to clarify, you dont think the government *should* round people up and put them into a poisonous rat trap, but as long as you can get a green beer for St. Patty's day, it wont actually affect your mood?

Perfect.

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I don't care about the green beer. I don't even celebrate the holiday outside of a little Irish cream in my coffee. I do care about gross abuse by government officials and the economic impact that this has on businesses with models completely built around socialization. The people they'll lay off. The doors that will shut.

The world is about to get one of the biggest case studies in economics ever. Did stopping the world economy kill more than the virus itself?

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Would you rather have an overwhelmed health care and hospital system and have a situation like what's going Italy or have a bunch of bartenders & waitresses on a 2 week unpaid vacation? If a bar/restaurant has to shut down because of 2 weeks off, there's a high chance they would have had to do so if this wasn't going on anyway.

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You realize that Italy is a ****hole with a horrible healthcare system don't you?

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Well not sure if you've turned on the news at all, but there's a shortage of rooms/beds in hospitals that would overwhelm our system just like theirs if this thing spreads rapidly like it has there, don't you? That has nothing to do with the quality of doctors.

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I said healthcare system. That encompasses the entire structure. Not just the doctors. It's a socialized medicine country that is set up horribly!

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So where are you coming up with the space then when millions of people are turning up testing positive because they left all of the bars, restaurants, and gyms open.....which are essentially petri dishes. Also, let's not forget that people are currently and will be hospitalized for hundreds of other issues going forward.

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Couldn't you say the same about airports and other public transportation locations? I looked it up last weekend and IAH averages around 60k daily and Atlanta (#1) is over 140k daily. What are the odds someone passing through there is infected? I'd put it at a greater probability than someone going to grab a beer at HH.

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Does the Harris Co moratorium on restaurant operation apply to the restaurants at the airports?

I know a lot of people are arguing that it doesn't make sense to shut down bars and restaurants and schools and keep airports open. And in a lot of ways, it doesn't. But there are still situations where people need to be able to fly, and to an extent, the airlines are managing this by reducing their schedules. Hotels and vacation destinations are closing down, so leisure travel is sort of pointless right now.

It is a hole in the "flatten the curve" strategy, though.

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There are situations, but there are situations where a business owner needs their business open as well and it's being forced shut.

Hotels are open. My dad flew to Canada yesterday for work and will be in a hotel there for a month.

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Agreed. But I think what's happening here is that the airlines are being protected (as much as they can be). It's been less than 2 weeks since the SHTF, and they are already asking for bailouts.

The airlines are a much more powerful lobby than individual business owners.

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Yup. But ultimately that's not as significant compared with dramatic reduction of the number of infectious pathways through community spread within DC, New Orleans, etc.

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How so? An infected person is passing through a crowded space and possibly infecting others, who will then take it to their communities/destinations. Are you saying that it's limited if there's nobody to come into contact with when they arrive home infected? If so, I understand that.

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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David_Puddy said:

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IrishTxAggie said:

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swimmerbabe11 said:

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... so to clarify, you dont think the government *should* round people up and put them into a poisonous rat trap, but as long as you can get a green beer for St. Patty's day, it wont actually affect your mood?

Perfect.

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I don't care about the green beer. I don't even celebrate the holiday outside of a little Irish cream in my coffee. I do care about gross abuse by government officials and the economic impact that this has on businesses with models completely built around socialization. The people they'll lay off. The doors that will shut.

The world is about to get one of the biggest case studies in economics ever. Did stopping the world economy kill more than the virus itself?

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Would you rather have an overwhelmed health care and hospital system and have a situation like what's going Italy or have a bunch of bartenders & waitresses on a 2 week unpaid vacation? If a bar/restaurant has to shut down because of 2 weeks off, there's a high chance they would have had to do so if this wasn't going on anyway.

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You realize that Italy is a ****hole with a horrible healthcare system don't you?

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Well not sure if you've turned on the news at all, but there's a shortage of rooms/beds in hospitals that would overwhelm our system just like theirs if this thing spreads rapidly like it has there, don't you? That has nothing to do with the quality of doctors.

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I said healthcare system. That encompasses the entire structure. Not just the doctors. It's a socialized medicine country that is set up horribly!

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So where are you coming up with the space then when millions of people are turning up testing positive because they left all of the bars, restaurants, and gyms open.....which are essentially petri dishes. Also, let's not forget that people are currently and will be hospitalized for hundreds of other issues going forward.

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Couldn't you say the same about airports and other public transportation locations? I looked it up last weekend and IAH averages around 60k daily and Atlanta (#1) is over 140k daily. What are the odds someone passing through there is infected? I'd put it at a greater probability than someone going to grab a beer at HH.

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Does the Harris Co moratorium on restaurant operation apply to the restaurants at the airports?

I know a lot of people are arguing that it doesn't make sense to shut down bars and restaurants and schools and keep airports open. And in a lot of ways, it doesn't. But there are still situations where people need to be able to fly, and to an extent, the airlines are managing this by reducing their schedules. Hotels and vacation destinations are closing down, so leisure travel is sort of pointless right now.

It is a hole in the "flatten the curve" strategy, though.

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There are situations, but there are situations where a business owner needs their business open as well and it's being forced shut.

Hotels are open. My dad flew to Canada yesterday for work and will be in a hotel there for a month.

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Agreed. But I think what's happening here is that the airlines are being protected (as much as they can be). It's been less than 2 weeks, and they are already asking for bailouts.

The airlines are a much more powerful lobby than individual business owners.

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Of course they're asking for bailouts...it's a great time to get some of that government money.

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aTm2004 said:

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txags92 said:

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In addition to our hospitals, we have thousands of day surgery centers equipped with clean surgical rooms, ventilators, and other equipment that could be easily converted to isolate and treat critical coronavirus patients if needed. We are better equipped to handle a surge of critical cases than any country in the world.

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Hate to break it to you, but there is a live press conference going on right now with the Governor of NY saying the exact opposite. Plus the higher ups in charge of this whole deal who know way much more about this than any of us are agreeing with him.

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The guy who hates Trump and will do/say anything that would hurt him? The some guy who is bashing the President for not mandating closure because he's doing what the federal government should do, leave the decisions up to the states?

It's funny...for 3 years we heard liberals bash Trump for being a dictator, now they're bashing him for not being one.

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Trump was just complimenting him at the presser saying they were having very productive convos. How does him encouraging people to stay home have to do anything with him not liking Trump? That's silly, and I'm as Republican as they come.

Oh and gee, what do you know, they're talking about a massive economic business interruption stimulus package to send out checks to people effected by the closure of businesses. Oh and a tax deferral of up to $1 million to small businesses and $10 million to corporations 90 days past the deadline.

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Yeah, now he's playing nice because he's been called out...probably by his fellow governors. To be honest, keeping politics out of it is the right thing to do. The loony in CA is well aware of this but Cuomo needed some "guidance."

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How so? An infected person is passing through a crowded space and possibly infecting others, who will then take it to their communities/destinations. Are you saying that it's limited if there's nobody to come into contact with when they arrive home infected? If so, I understand that.

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Right, if the communities are wide open, it doesn't matter if one person or 10 bring the disease in, ultimately exponential growth makes those seed points irrelevant in short order.

On the other hand, if the community is tightly locked down, it doesn't matter if one person or 10 brings the disease in because the lowered exponential growth rate prevents rapid transmission.

Obviously at either extreme (everyone travels or zero travels, everyone mixes or nobody mixes) you get trivial results of either 0 infections or 100% infections.

k2aggie07 said:

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How so? An infected person is passing through a crowded space and possibly infecting others, who will then take it to their communities/destinations. Are you saying that it's limited if there's nobody to come into contact with when they arrive home infected? If so, I understand that.

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Right, if the communities are wide open, it doesn't matter if one person or 10 bring the disease in, ultimately exponential growth makes those seed points irrelevant in short order.

On the other hand, if the community is tightly locked down, it doesn't matter if one person or 10 brings the disease in because the lowered exponential growth rate prevents rapid transmission.

Obviously at either extreme (everyone travels or zero travels, everyone mixes or nobody mixes) you get trivial results of either 0 infections or 100% infections.

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I think the assumption is that airports have become MUCH less crowded places since these other measures have been put into place. My son flew home on Sunday. His flight only had an A boarding group. There was less than one person per row. He was alone in his row, and there was no one in the rows in front of or behind him. He thought it was weird that they were still offering drinks and snacks, but he was smart enough to decline.

I didn't go past security. Neither of us came within 6 feet of anyone in the airport. Closing restaurants keeps us away from those (although, we wouldn't go anyway). Most major retailers that I do business with have voluntarily closed stores. Small businesses seem to be hit or miss - some are closing and others are not, since at least here, there is no mandate on anything but restaurants.

He came home and we are essentially quarantined, because he can't go to school and I'm WFH.

I would liken this to keeping grocery stores and drugstores open. You can't prevent 100% of infections, but you can't 100% close everything, either. If someone is infected, there are minimal places you can go to spread it.

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How so? An infected person is passing through a crowded space and possibly infecting others, who will then take it to their communities/destinations. Are you saying that it's limited if there's nobody to come into contact with when they arrive home infected? If so, I understand that.

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Right, if the communities are wide open, it doesn't matter if one person or 10 bring the disease in, ultimately exponential growth makes those seed points irrelevant in short order.

On the other hand, if the community is tightly locked down, it doesn't matter if one person or 10 brings the disease in because the lowered exponential growth rate prevents rapid transmission.

Obviously at either extreme (everyone travels or zero travels, everyone mixes or nobody mixes) you get trivial results of either 0 infections or 100% infections.

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I see what you're saying, but allowing continuation of travel will still lead to spread. At the very least, shut down public transportation for a while or do very limited service while cars/buses not in use are cleaned daily.