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No, one side says if you dont wear a mask you're being selfish, and the other side says you do you and I'll do me.

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Think you're glossing over some of the rhetoric on here.

BowSowy said:

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Both sides are ridiculous about it. Who knew a damn face mask could be so divisive? One side says those who don't wear a mask are being rebellious or selfish, while the other side says people who wear a mask are living in fear or being sheep. It's a mask, who cares? I'm so tired of everything being an argument where both sides dig their heels into the sand.

I get that people are bored as **** and frustrated and wanting to take that boredom and frustration out on someone. Quit with the mask debate and focus your energy on aTm2004

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Hey!

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HtownWilly12 said:

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Logically you have to see that masks aren't simply a placebo. It is a respiratory virus. Wearing a mask (correctly albeit) will inherently decrease the amount of particles or spray you put out and take in. Are they perfect, no, but are they a mitigating and helpful step to take, yes. I have reviewed plenty of the data and the studies that come out of each country claiming to have learned something new about the virus but at the end of the day this virus really hasn't hit very close to home. Harris county has a pretty small number of total cases compared to other areas of the country. We resume as if nothing had happened and don't take the basic steps to try to prevent the spread and the cases and deaths will grow exponentially. It's human nature to not view that in as serious of a light until its on our doorstep. Your lack of ability have any foresight is ridiculous and dangerous to those you come in contact with.

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There's plenty of data out there showing that the wearing of cloth masks does nothing to impact transmission and are nothing more than a virtue-signalling placebo. Even wearing of ordinary surgical masks does little, particularly when worn improperly.

I have plenty of foresight on the matter based on all the data out there. The models projected millions of deaths in the USA even with shut-downs and social distancing. They've been nowhere close to correct. The data being trumpeted regarding the R0 and mortality rates has been shown to be garbage over and over again. This virus is simply nothing major unless you're elderly or have serious health issues already. There's been a lot of positive news and studies out there showing the shutdown was a major overreaction only to be shut down in the media (and I'm not talking about that garbage "Plandemic" film).

But, sure tell us how this is all about the coronabro favorite word "exponential."

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I dare you to tell that to one of the tens of thousands who had to be hooked up to a respirator to survive.

The growth rate of both cases and deaths WAS exponential until we all stayed home. Perhaps that was coincidental. Perhaps just keeping away from the office knocked the transmission chances way down. Maybe we can keep it in check by washing hands more often and taking precautions. I just happen to choose to believe that unless a God given miracle of a mutation changes this virus to not being as contagious or bad as it was in the early part of the year we are on the path for a second wave sooner than later. I have yet to see that data point that makes me think mingling with the masses wont cause the growth rate to return to exponential levels. I hope to see it sooner than later

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Yep, it was the stay at home orders that prevented the exponential growth rate...that and the fact that the disease is not transmittable at HEB, Lowes, or Home Depot.

I have been on the cautious side (but not overboard) of the mask debate, flattening the curve, reopening, etc. Partly because the "no masks muh FREEDOM" crowd has seemed so damn irresponsible this whole time and sorry... I don't find people with that attitude to be convincing. Just shallow.

Maybe covid isn't the threat we thought it was. But you idiots can't even seem to admit that it's a complex situation that demands some caution.

Jack Cheese said:

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I have been on the cautious side (but not overboard) of the mask debate, flattening the curve, reopening, etc. Partly because the "no masks muh FREEDOM" crowd has seemed so damn irresponsible this whole time and sorry... I don't find people with that attitude to be convincing. Just shallow.

Maybe covid isn't the threat we thought it was. But you idiots can't even seem to admit that it's a complex situation that demands some caution.

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Then take your own precautionary measures that you deem necessary and others will do theirs. Once the data sets came out with the age distributions and comorbidities, I believed it to be entirely pointless. I'm not going to hospitals and nursing homes where this crap spreads like wildfire. I'm going to places that have and will always have high traffic and the masks aren't going to do anything.

Give me a story about how the average Joe wearing a bandanna over their face definitively stopped the spread of the virus. Not studies or articles. Give me actual proof. Because for all the studies and articles you may pull up showing it works, there are just as many counter studies.

These videos demonstrate how pointless they are

This one is on gloves


This one is with a mask

Y'all suck. I come here to read about what the government has announced and what local businesses are doing - not to see y'all go back and forth on the same debate with no end in sight.
TAKE IT TO THE MASK BOARD

I swear some of yall could f ck up a free lunch with all this gayness about masks and Karenning. Your penance shall be 50 tugs to the Prancing Centaur goddess.



Good Joy to you all! Let not Corona steal your spirits.

Has a joke ever jumped the shark as quick as the whole 'Karen' thing?

IrishTxAggie said:

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Jack Cheese said:

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I have been on the cautious side (but not overboard) of the mask debate, flattening the curve, reopening, etc. Partly because the "no masks muh FREEDOM" crowd has seemed so damn irresponsible this whole time and sorry... I don't find people with that attitude to be convincing. Just shallow.

Maybe covid isn't the threat we thought it was. But you idiots can't even seem to admit that it's a complex situation that demands some caution.

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Then take your own precautionary measures that you deem necessary and others will do theirs. Once the data sets came out with the age distributions and comorbidities, I believed it to be entirely pointless. I'm not going to hospitals and nursing homes where this crap spreads like wildfire. I'm going to places that have and will always have high traffic and the masks aren't going to do anything.

Give me a story about how the average Joe wearing a bandanna over their face definitively stopped the spread of the virus. Not studies or articles. Give me actual proof. Because for all the studies and articles you may pull up showing it works, there are just as many counter studies.

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Thats what a study attempts to do. virus travels in water droplets. there is proof in that. anything that reduces the spread of said water droplets from your mouth and nose from being more airborne will help should anyone else that has to be within close contact of another person. Yes the virus is small enough by itself that it would fit through a bandana. But the bandana will catch the water droplets that it needs to travel around in.

Maybe the pee chart will help

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That graphic is fine if the particles are larger than what they're trying to pass through...buuuut....

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Specifically, room air filters designed for furnace, HVAC (heating, ventilation and air conditioning) or central heating and cooling systems performed as well as the N95 material in removing the 300 nanometer diameter particles under the conditions tested in this study. In addition, the Eureka vacuum bag performed nearly as well, removing 94% of the particles removed by N95 material. The vacuum bag outperformed the standard surgical mask, which removed particles only 72% of the particles removed by the N95, making the vacuum bag our second-choice household item. Unfortunately, the cloth samples tested in this study performed relatively poorly, with the standard bandana donned by many eliminating only 28% of what the N95 removed.

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On a large scale, 28% is still pretty good particularly in closed areas with lots of people like the grocery.

GDit, can we just leave this thread to actual information? Quit the bickering about masks, and save it for the **** that really matters...like which weatherchick is the most bangable and which guy makes the best burgers in his backyard.

AgsMyDude said:

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aTm2004 said:

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That graphic is fine if the particles are larger than what they're trying to pass through...buuuut....

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Specifically, room air filters designed for furnace, HVAC (heating, ventilation and air conditioning) or central heating and cooling systems performed as well as the N95 material in removing the 300 nanometer diameter particles under the conditions tested in this study. In addition, the Eureka vacuum bag performed nearly as well, removing 94% of the particles removed by N95 material. The vacuum bag outperformed the standard surgical mask, which removed particles only 72% of the particles removed by the N95, making the vacuum bag our second-choice household item. Unfortunately, the cloth samples tested in this study performed relatively poorly, with the standard bandana donned by many eliminating only 28% of what the N95 removed.

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On a large scale, 28% is still pretty good particularly in closed areas with lots of people like the grocery.

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Exactly. And what a lot of people are wearing now are masks being made for this purpose which even the home made masks are being extra layered or have pouches to add filters.

These are well over 50% and more blocking power.

I don't understand the mask hate. Even if the benefits are negligible at best I don't understand how anyone is worse off by wearing a mask than not. Is it the joy of open defiance of a nanny state directive?

jh0400 said:

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I don't understand the mask hate. Even if the benefits are negligible at best I don't understand how anyone is worse off by wearing a mask than not. Is it the joy of open defiance of a nanny state directive?

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Yes. And it's exhausting to click through.

135 pages and the same arguments have been presented at least 50 times already.

Now it's a contest on who can be the snarkiest (is that even a word?).

jh0400 said:

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I don't understand the mask hate. Even if the benefits are negligible at best I don't understand how anyone is worse off by wearing a mask than not. Is it the joy of open defiance of a nanny state directive?

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because mah luburhty and freedumz

AgsMyDude said:

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jh0400 said:

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I don't understand the mask hate. Even if the benefits are negligible at best I don't understand how anyone is worse off by wearing a mask than not. Is it the joy of open defiance of a nanny state directive?

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because mah luburhty and freedumz

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Would you prefer to live in Michigan, Illinois, or Los Angeles right now?

jh0400 said:

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I don't understand the mask hate. Even if the benefits are negligible at best I don't understand how anyone is worse off by wearing a mask than not. Is it the joy of open defiance of a nanny state directive?

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I really don't understand the disconnect of claiming masks have no collective benefit by sharing an article that shows that they can stop 28% to 75% of virus-carrying droplets.