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Another reason for caution is that we don't know what the long-term effects will be. For example, It may be that this is a mild disease for most that permanently weakens lung function so that you become more susceptible to other health problems down the road. It's such a new disease that we don't know, and caution is the right response.

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Nobody is saying caution shouldn't be used, but this all out panic isn't the right response either.

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Way to throw down the straw man.

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It's not a straw man argument when there's a cap on how much bottled water you can buy, TP is hard to come by, and people are price gauging hand sanitizer.

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Italy has 16 million people under virtual lockdown and has teams playing in empty stadiums while weddings and funerals have been suspended. I don't think a run on TP is all out panic.

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So, what Italy is doing is a panic. Six of one...

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The teacher next to me is going on a cruise, despite our best efforts to convince him it's a dumb idea. I don't expect to see him for a while.

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Dude is just working the system for a bonus 2 weeks vacation time.

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Lol PISD made it abundantly clear that any teacher who is infected is going to be recovering on their own dime.

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Which points to how effing stupid all of this is. This is not near as bad as the regular flu, yet the school is dictating where someone can and cannot go during their personal time. This is encouraging people to lie about where they went.

"How was your trip to the Mediterranean?"
"Oh, we didn't go. We went to visit my brother-in-law in Oakley, KS. Hey, check out this awesome Mediterranean sea rock I found while diving in the community pond."

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If anyone is wondering how my trip to the med is going, and I'm sure you arent, myself amd the rest of the crew, are currently quarantined to my ship in a greek port.

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Is your internet better at least? Will pronhub videos load for you?

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Another reason for caution is that we don't know what the long-term effects will be. For example, It may be that this is a mild disease for most that permanently weakens lung function so that you become more susceptible to other health problems down the road. It's such a new disease that we don't know, and caution is the right response.

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Nobody is saying caution shouldn't be used, but this all out panic isn't the right response either.

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Way to throw down the straw man.

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It's not a straw man argument when there's a cap on how much bottled water you can buy, TP is hard to come by, and people are price gauging hand sanitizer.

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Please point out the specific posts where anyone here advocated panic. TIA.

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Oh Jesus. Where did I specify a particular post? Do you live outside of the TexAgs bubble and pay attention to what is going on? Do you not believe cancelling events is a panic? I pointed out something that we can all see first hand in our day-to-day lives.

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Also as of now, it appears the mortality rate and the R0 are both higher than the flu.

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Case mortality is worse with coronavirus too.

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Considering the number of people who have the virus with no symptoms is unknown, can you say that is a fact?

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Yes. It hinges on the word "case".

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As the cases grow, that number will diminish.

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You don't understand.

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Then explain. If 100,000 new cases are found today but only 11 die, would the mortality rate not go down?

https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-price-coronavirus-vaccine-greffex

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A group of Texas scientists claims to have created a vaccine to prevent the coronavirus and, according to the CEO of the Houston based engineering company, it could be approved and available to the public by the end of the year.

"We're confident in the vaccine, the quality of the vaccine completely. The end result will be what the government wants to do in terms of testing," John Price, CEO of Greffex, told "American's Newsroom," Monday.

Price said his company developed the vaccine based on the knowledge they obtained from an earlier vaccine they created to combat MERS, which "has a tremendous number of similarities" to the coronavirus, he explained.

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Damn. May want to see if the Mrs. can send you some fun stuff to get you buy.

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You don't understand.

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Then explain. If 100,000 new cases are found today but only 11 die, would the mortality rate not go down?

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Yes. I read that there are 400+ deaths in Italy and like 9.600 reported cases. People on the Twitter box are sheeting their pants....OMG a 5% mortality rate! Wellllll, I'm not sure that's accurate at all. I'm sure there are way more cases than 9,600 in Italy. Man the data on this deal is just so screw. As a matter of fact, I'm sure there are way more cases in the U.S. than we know about.

My point exactly.

The US is probably well over 5,000... Just not all going to the doctor. What do the majority of men in their 20s, 30s, and 40s do when we feel bad? We shrug it off, take a day or two of rest, and let our bodies do it's job. I'm not going to the doctor unless it's moving and it shouldn't or it's not moving and it should. Bet there are a lot more that think like me too.

American Chemical Society just cancelled its conference in Philly for late March. Usually has 9000 or so in attendance. Service industry just getting hammered.

The CDC is doing more than some folks admit. Our doctors (at least now) have been fairly well informed so far. It's just a matter of folks following established protocol.

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The CDC is doing more than some folks admit. Our doctors (at least now) have been fairly well informed so far. It's just a matter of folks following established protocol.

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This is an interesting point. I would like to know what the CDC has communicated and what preparations they have given to hospitals.

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American Chemical Society just cancelled its conference in Philly for late March. Usually has 9000 or so in attendance. Service industry just getting hammered.

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AIChE moved their Spring Meeting in Houston from March 29th to April 2nd to August 16th through 20th.

Joy.

~egon

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The US is probably well over 5,000... Just not all going to the doctor. What do the majority of men in their 20s, 30s, and 40s do when we feel bad? We shrug it off, take a day or two of rest, and let our bodies do it's job. I'm not going to the doctor unless it's moving and it shouldn't or it's not moving and it should. Bet there are a lot more that think like me too.

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The CDC is doing more than some folks admit. Our doctors (at least now) have been fairly well informed so far. It's just a matter of folks following established protocol.

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when I read that S Korea had already tested 100,000 folks and our fine city could only do like 12 per day it makes me wonder what they were waiting on. You could see the tidal wave coming, yet they didn't ramp up and distribute the supplies necessary. Possibly they couldn't get anymore testing kits to distribute, but that will be for history to decide. Right now it looks like some fools couldn't see the storm clouds racing towards us.

I assume there is some desirable ratio between positives and negatives when testing to ensure you're getting all or nearly all of the positives without wasting resources. Just by intuition and looking at the raw numbers it seems we're probably below that number.

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when I read that S Korea had already tested 100,000 folks and our fine city could only do like 12 per day it makes me wonder what they were waiting on. You could see the tidal wave coming, yet they didn't ramp up and distribute the supplies necessary. Possibly they couldn't get anymore testing kits to distribute, but that will be for history to decide. Right now it looks like some fools couldn't see the storm clouds racing towards us.

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It is foolish to start testing every single person and tout how many people you are testing, especially when testing kits for a new virus are at a premium. As of now (at least here in Texas), there are a few (last I heard five) countries where if you've traveled to those countries, have come in contact with the virus and shown symptoms, you will certainly get tested. There are other cases too.

Keep in mind this is second hand information. So I'm not trying to get anyone to go off all half c-cked here and based on what my dumb ass is saying think that we aren't doing enough. My info is certainly incomplete. But from what I know, our medical professionals and CDC are taking a measured response and those saying we aren't testing enough based on the numbers (accurate or not) that these other countries are releasing simply don't have the full picture.

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they started dealing with their outbreak much earlier in the pandemic

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why are they at a premium here and not in SK?

they started dealing with their outbreak much earlier in the pandemic

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Do you believe South Korea tested 100k people?

yes, i guess i do

So that's a pretty big asterisk under our number no? The fact that it's the numbers reported to CDC and doesn't include the tests done at the state and local level or at private labs?

Also the fact that the World Health Organization is involved in the international numbers gives me pause.

Regardless, I think people are giving these thrown together statistics too much credence versus what is actually being done by the professionals out in the field. The response by United States physicians and other licensed medical professionals during this has actually been very good so far. But that's not what people on social media want to see or pick apart.

The CDC was restricting access to tests until fairly recently and, as far as I know, only recently state, local, private, etc labs are testing. Even then, they're reporting back to the CDC and positives are only "presumptive positive" until confirmed. Do you think there are a significant of tests being performed and not reported to the CDC?

What you're basically saying is that your opinion is set not in the absence of information, but without regard for the information that is available. That doesn't seem like a very good approach to me.

Professionals in the field can only do so much. I mean, what can a doc do? Test for flu...tell people to go home and rest, take plenty of fluids, and acetaminophen or ibuprofen if the fever gets too high. The role of the health organizations in these isn't related to direct patient care but trying to coordinate activity to shift or offset the peak caseload of an epidemic. That means information spread, testing and testing guidelines, tracing contacts, and coordinating quarantines. Physicians can be doing great, and the CDC can also be doing poorly.

Look, I'm not a big online debater. I posted a couple anecdotes. Buy some bleach and bottle water. Good luck.

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Ummmm......bc most of the medical industry in order to cut costs shifted the majority of their manufacturing over to China. Not to turn this political, but this is one of the things that Trump has been preaching for 3 years is that we have to shift this back to the U.S. If that were the case, the kits would definitely be more readily available.